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    Quote Originally Posted by wleehendrick View Post
    4th gear makes sense, since you spend more time under WOT there, I guess. Thanks for the info, I'll start off with the HWG tune then (which lowers boost IIRC) and if I experience it, see if a custom tune will address it.
    HWG map will RAISE boost for people not hitting target. You want LWG map for less if you are overboosting
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    Couple of pictures from the Test.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Couple of pictures from the Test.
    Great shots! But, you need a new helmet or graphics (Porsche... there is a substitute)

    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    HWG map will RAISE boost for people not hitting target. You want LWG map for less if you are overboosting
    Thanks for the clarification; as Chad said, counter-intuitive!

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    For the high/low wastegate, just try to remember that the boost control solenoid is actively keeping the wastegate closed to reach the desired boost level. Without wastegate duty cycles, the solenoid would allow the wastegate to open early because the only thing keeping it closed is a spring. Higher duty cycles = wastegate closed longer = higher boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Couple of pictures from the Test.


    Glad to see it "mostly" worked out well! I'm stealing these for the FB page. ;D
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    No problem.

    I also decided I'll be adding to the roll bar. Looking at those pictures, then heading out to the garage to see if it would pass the "Broom Stick" test. It didn't . Roll it and it's "El Cruncho" I have my seat practically on the floor, and moved back along with the firewall mod. I may just add a windshield like my original plan and cage it in. Or just add some bars like on some Lotus 211's to protect the driver. Not that pretty- but much, much safer. It will stiffen up the chassis nicely too. I like being alive.

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    These Lotuses look like the 818, apart from that huge complete cage that Chad will weld on soon.
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    Back in the day roll bars only added weight

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynntuna View Post
    Back in the day roll bars only added weight

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    I know- I'm going to try to see if I can rake the seat back more. I do not think it will pass tech.
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    I noticed in the photos you were a little high in the seat. Tilting the seat back will probably work. My problem is with the shoulder harness. The harness bar is useless for me. To get my shoulders high enough to use it , my head is to high. I am planning to use the square tubing under it but am having to move things around to get high enough. It is a little 818 ergonomic problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    No problem.

    I also decided I'll be adding to the roll bar. Looking at those pictures, then heading out to the garage to see if it would pass the "Broom Stick" test. It didn't . Roll it and it's "El Cruncho" I have my seat practically on the floor, and moved back along with the firewall mod. I may just add a windshield like my original plan and cage it in. Or just add some bars like on some Lotus 211's to protect the driver. Not that pretty- but much, much safer. It will stiffen up the chassis nicely too. I like being alive.
    So unless you actually change the front hoop from a low to a high you still have to meet the requirement that the drivers helmet must fit under a line drawn from the main hoop to the front hoop. This is almost the same cage that is in the Challenge car (same height for front and main hoop, same distance from floor to top of main and front hoop). I don't think anyone has changed the main or front hoop, some folks have added a "California hallo" that goes from main hoop to front hoop (next to driver) and an optional cross bar to side bars (drivers side), but still have to meet the rules since this additions does not change the hoop, just add protection in case of a roll over. I will be adding the "California hallo". I have already had my cage inspected with my seat positioning, so pending I don't alter that I should have no issues, but the whole car needs a final annual inspection to go racing and nothing is a done deal yet.

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    Just looking at it, my idea was to raise the front hoop up to the top of the R windshield. Then maybe a few additional bars.

    Edit- I just removed the bottom overly stuffed seat cushion.... I think I dropped around 2"- It looks like Racetech sells a Super low cushion which is 30mm lower than the cushion I have. I ordered it. I think I may be ok.
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    Chad, how was the wind? Having never tracked a car with no significant windscreen I'm wondering if you were getting beat up by it?

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    Anything under 140 is not bad with a helmet. I've been out in the wind at 195 on a motorcycle and at that speed, you have to work to keep looking straight.

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    How did you attach the tiedowns to the front of your car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Clary View Post
    How did you attach the tiedowns to the front of your car?
    I replied to you Post #885
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    Same spot on the same turn

    I have my seats mounted 1/4" off the floor and passed my broomstick test. It was close and I had to sit my head back to the headrest but i did clear it and I am 6'4" on a bad day.
    I bet with some seat adjusting you can make it work.




    Your car sits much more even, I need to get into my suspension more. Actually, I need a running car first.

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    Thanks sorry I missed the post. Hard to find something solid up there that you can reach.

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    Anyone want to buy a turnkey 818R? Lol
    http://www.motorsport.com/roadracing...-995-prototype
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    Wow that's pretty cool though
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    Bah..I should have gone to PRI since it's just down the street from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Anyone want to buy a turnkey 818R? Lol
    http://www.motorsport.com/roadracing...-995-prototype
    Not for $60K...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bstuke View Post
    Not for $60K...
    I meant my 818R- not the link.
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    Hey Chad I ran the numbers when I made my seat mounts and ended up with the middle of the seat at a 35 deg angle. The ratio was ~1:2 meaning when I raised the front of my seat the top dropped about two inches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brando View Post
    Same spot on the same turn

    I have my seats mounted 1/4" off the floor and passed my broomstick test. It was close and I had to sit my head back to the headrest but i did clear it and I am 6'4" on a bad day.
    I bet with some seat adjusting you can make it work.




    Your car sits much more even, I need to get into my suspension more. Actually, I need a running car first.
    Don't base much off of pictures. That could of been my warm up lap or cool down lap with me just taking it easy.

    I ordered that lower seat cushion from RaceTech Seats. That will help big time. I pass the "Broomstick" test without my helmet, I just never my helmet was so big.... lol. I can raise the front of the seat to angle it back, but getting to the seat bolts on the drivers side is a huge pain in the ***. I either need to remove the rear under seat aluminum, or take off the side pod and intrusion plate to get access to the left front bolt. I guess I could take the door off to see if I could cut and access hole through the intrusion panel, however there might be a bar in the way. I can get the left rear seat bolt with some wiggling.
    Last edited by C.Plavan; 12-12-2014 at 09:54 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Wow that is awesome...and frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Anyone want to buy a turnkey 818R? Lol
    http://www.motorsport.com/roadracing...-995-prototype
    That is seriously cool...and if the spec series doesn't take off, wonder what options there are for upgrading the power? At least we can say we've got that going for the 818 - serious room to grow in the power department.

    This NP01 has a prototype chassis build specifically around a 2-liter Mazda engine, so even something as straightforward as adding a turbo may prove difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santiago View Post
    That is seriously cool...and if the spec series doesn't take off, wonder what options there are for upgrading the power? At least we can say we've got that going for the 818 - serious room to grow in the power department.

    This NP01 has a prototype chassis build specifically around a 2-liter Mazda engine, so even something as straightforward as adding a turbo may prove difficult.

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    They already got me the details. It is a complete car. All you add are seatbelts and fluids. You get everything- Motor, ECU, wiring, Sequential trans, fuel cell, everything. Only bad thing, it is twice the price of a properly prep'd 818R.

    Someone make me an offer on my 818R
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    Well, I'll start the bidding.


    I have $40 in my wallet so I'll start there.

    That car does sound like a lot of fun though.
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    $60K for a new race car sounds like a steal really. A factory built Ford Mustang Boss 302S will run you $35K more than that, and I bet this thing easily runs circles around it. It's fully built right? EDIT: Ah, I see...$60K for the introductory price of an "easily assembled kit." So, let's see: your labor, all new parts, custom built, yaddah-yaddah. Still sounds hard to beat - somebody is losing money and I bet these won't be available at this price for too long.

    Even if the fledgling spec series doesn't make it, I have a feeling (at that power level) you can slap some slicks on it and go dominate ST3. Chad, is the 1,550 lbs w/o driver? If so, a smidge of ballast and you avoid some of the more nasty light-weight penalties in the ST classes. Man, this car could be really great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santiago View Post
    $60K for a new race car sounds like a steal really. A factory built Ford Mustang Boss 302S will run you $35K more than that, and I bet this thing easily runs circles around it. It's fully built right? EDIT: Ah, I see...$60K for the introductory price of an "easily assembled kit." So, let's see: your labor, all new parts, custom built, yaddah-yaddah. Still sounds hard to beat - somebody is losing money and I bet these won't be available at this price for too long.

    Even if the fledgling spec series doesn't make it, I have a feeling (at that power level) you can slap some slicks on it and go dominate ST3. Chad, is the 1,550 lbs w/o driver? If so, a smidge of ballast and you avoid some of the more nasty light-weight penalties in the ST classes. Man, this car could be really great.

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    That's W/O driver. They have to get an order for 8 before they start building. I'm probably just wait to see what comes about. I would have to sell the 818R of course, which would be tough after all the hard work. Then another project car I have. Not sure if I can part with that though.

    In the meantime I'll just upgrade the turbo on the 818R and make some M3's and Corvette's mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    They already got me the details. It is a complete car. All you add are seatbelts and fluids. You get everything- Motor, ECU, wiring, Sequential trans, fuel cell, everything. Only bad thing, it is twice the price of a properly prep'd 818R.

    Someone make me an offer on my 818R
    Yea but comes with a dry sump, which is half the cost of 818 !
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Yea but comes with a dry sump, which is half the cost of 818 !
    Here's the quote. Not really complete ready to run car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    Here's the quote. Not really complete ready to run car...
    "With an introductory complete kit price of just $59,995, " "Élan will build each NP01 to order and ship them either as an easily assembled kit or completed vehicle per the customer's request. "
    I meant "Complete", as in no other parts to buy. Of course you have to build it.
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    Being that I have been sick all week, I was going stir crazy. I was finally feeling OK today so I went out and swapped the brake pads to my new racing compound. I took the 818R around the loop to break in the pads, and could IMMEDIATELY feel the difference. This is how the braking should of felt. I was locking them up when I was being careful getting heat into them (with minimal pedal effort unlike having to stand on them before). I'm really going to need to adjust the bias towards the back now once I get it back on the track.

    PS- Santa has go fast parts incoming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    PS- Santa has go fast parts incoming.
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    do you have a balance bar to adjust your bias, or are you using a Proportional valve to reduce front braking?
    What pads did you go with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    I took the 818R around the loop to break in the pads, and could IMMEDIATELY feel the difference. This is how the braking should of felt. I was locking them up when I was being careful getting heat into them (with minimal pedal effort unlike having to stand on them before).
    That made my day. What pads did you end up going with?

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