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    Aluminum Fuel Tank by Boyd Welding

    Our aluminum Replacement tank is live on our website. This tank holds approx 10 gallons and gives you 3" of extra leg room.

    http://www.fueltankparts.com/factory...-340-pump.html


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    how large is the standard tank in an 818?

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    Yes how many gallons again it holds?
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    I'm pretty sure the 818 tank is 13 gallons.


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    I think you're right, using the search function I found this:

    ** a note about weight in the article as this had everyone here concerned and we had weighed the car almost 100 lbs lighter. The magazine FILLED the large capacity fuel tank to the top as is standard for all their curb weight tests (ugh! that's 13 more gallons and +91 lbs more than you'd routinely drive or autocross with). Further the 818R cage (+22 lbs), fuel cell mounting hardware/brackets (+6 lbs), paint (+26 lbs), wheels (+16 lbs), and heavy battery (+20lbs) account for another +181 lbs, add in the street seat, carpets, and windshield and we figure the street car should be right in the mid-to-low 1800 lbs range. We will have the street car in the showroom ON SCALES for the Open House!

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    It says the full tank is "13 more gallons more than you'd routinely drive or autocross with". So it is whatever Dave would put in for routine driving or autocrossing PLUS 13 gallons, so it might be 20+.

    Edit: The Road and Track specs page (link) lists the tank as 18.0 gallons for the 818R. Do the S and R get the same tank?
    Last edited by Evan78; 08-15-2013 at 04:37 PM.

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    The 818R tested had a special tank mounted in the passenger compartment.

    FFR says on it's site that the '33 hotrod fuel capacity is 15 gallons; the 818 and hotrod share the same tank.


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    Yes, from what I have seen, the 818 and Hotrod are sharing the same gas tank. Mine holds 15 gallons.
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    What's the weight of the stock tank. Ad the Boyd tank? Empty of course

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    Boyd tank is listed at 24 lbs...

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    I am getting my Boyd 818 tank, rollover valve and sender today. They are 35 minutes away from me. I bought the boyd 33 tank for my 33 kit. It is so much better IMO. Worth the extra cost to me.

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    Can we get a credit from FFR for the tank if we plan on buying the boyd tank? I dont really need 2 tanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikbrewer View Post
    Can we get a credit from FFR for the tank if we plan on buying the boyd tank? I dont really need 2 tanks
    I personally don't think FFR should be obligated to give a credit to you for purchasing an aftermarket tank. Their margins are thin enough, and just because someone comes up with an after market solution doesn't mean FFR should help you pay for it.

    JMHO,


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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hodgkins View Post
    I personally don't think FFR should be obligated to give a credit to you for purchasing an aftermarket tank. Their margins are thin enough, and just because someone comes up with an after market solution doesn't mean FFR should help you pay for it.

    JMHO,

    They have no obligation, but they certainly have the option to sell the car with any options they choose. There's no reason they have to make less money by not including the tank. They could simply offer a credit for less than it costs them to build the tank. That would mean more profit for them and less cost for the buyer. Win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan78 View Post
    They have no obligation, but they certainly have the option to sell the car with any options they choose. There's no reason they have to make less money by not including the tank. They could simply offer a credit for less than it costs them to build the tank. That would mean more profit for them and less cost for the buyer. Win-win.
    Good point.


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    Here are some pictures of my Boyd tank #3 I got today. I remember someone posting on the 33 forum if you delete the FFR tank they do not send some fuel fittings you may need. I do not delete the tank with my order. I just find another use for it or sell it. JMO. There are 2 main reasons I went with the Boyd tank. 1st he is a FFR vendor and I liked how my 33 tank from him was built. 2nd the filler, sender and pump are all at the top. This IMO leads to far less chance of fuel leaks down the road. I am not knocking FFR's tank. It is JMO that the boyd tank is a better fit for my build and peace of mind. TEHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hodgkins View Post
    I personally don't think FFR should be obligated to give a credit to you for purchasing an aftermarket tank. Their margins are thin enough, and just because someone comes up with an after market solution doesn't mean FFR should help you pay for it.

    JMHO,

    I did not mean for them to make less money. It costs them money to make the tank, correct? Just credit the production cost, and thier profit per kit remains the same. Same thing if you wanted different head lights, just deduct thier cost. It just does not make since to purchase a ship an item that you dont plan on using.

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    Any plans to offer a version of this tank with a bladder and foam inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboguy View Post
    Any plans to offer a version of this tank with a bladder and foam inside?
    Sorry, No Plans to do so.

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    How about a version that does not have the additional 3" legroom, in exchange for additional capacity? 10 Gallons is not enough for some people.

    I think some people would like to send the tank in to Fuel Safe/ or ATL for a proper safety foam/bladder (The motor IS right behind the fuel cell). I know both Fuel Safe/ATL will make them custom.
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    Does FFR not supply a tank with the kit? We could just send that one in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    How about a version that does not have the additional 3" legroom, in exchange for additional capacity? 10 Gallons is not enough for some people.

    I think some people would like to send the tank in to Fuel Safe/ or ATL for a proper safety foam/bladder (The motor IS right behind the fuel cell). I know both Fuel Safe/ATL will make them custom.
    Yes +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    How about a version that does not have the additional 3" legroom, in exchange for additional capacity? 10 Gallons is not enough for some people.

    I think some people would like to send the tank in to Fuel Safe/ or ATL for a proper safety foam/bladder (The motor IS right behind the fuel cell). I know both Fuel Safe/ATL will make them custom.
    I think in this case you'd just order their 33 tank. which if I read right, is dimensionally the same as the 818s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    I think in this case you'd just order their 33 tank. which if I read right, is dimensionally the same as the 818s.
    Dave Boyd is coming to see my 818 in the next week or so. He is going to take dimensions and make sure everything is OK. I'll ask him to bring a 33 tank to check its fit and post the results then.
    Last edited by Wayne Presley; 08-23-2013 at 08:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    I think in this case you'd just order their 33 tank. which if I read right, is dimensionally the same as the 818s.
    Our 33HR tank may fit dimensionally. The only issue that may come up is the Fill location since it is located in the hinge relief notches. I will be building a larger capacity and confirming fitment on wallace18's chassis soon.

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    Any updates on this?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeromeS13 View Post
    Any updates on this?

    Thanks!
    All I can say is Dave never came up for a look. I could not wait on him. My tank is installed and covered up with my second firewall. An opportunity missed for sure. IMO. I had only a slight prolem with the sender installed backwards in mine. It was a simple fix. I love how it gave me 3" more legroom. I heard FFR is working on a similar tank for more legroom. Not sure of its availability though.

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    Has anybody painted the Boyd tank? Is it recommended or just leave it as is? I think the stock tank comes black, so was just wondering if anybody has opinions on painting the custom tank?

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    The Boyd tank looks so good in Aluminum... why paint it? No need IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bompus View Post
    Has anybody painted the Boyd tank? Is it recommended or just leave it as is? I think the stock tank comes black, so was just wondering if anybody has opinions on painting the custom tank?
    The stock tank is painted to prevent rust, it is steel.
    Painting the aluminum tank is up to you.
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    Can some one show me photos or explain how this tank allows for more leg room?

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    Check my thread , btw the Boyd tank is what the kit should come with, it is built with quality in mind, while looking nice the way it comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwarden View Post
    Can some one show me photos or explain how this tank allows for more leg room?
    tank stock.jpgtank boyd.jpg
    The stock tank is thicker than the Boyd tank.
    You can move your firewall and seat back further with the Boyd tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
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    You can move your firewall and seat back further with the Boyd tank.
    Yup, and to move the firewall back you need to bend the upper firewall another 15-20deg; Since it's a big piece of 1/8" Al plate, a press brake is needed to do it right. I bent mine 16deg with moves it back 2.5" and allows a bit of clearance between the firewall and the tank.

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    Hi Guys, I am dropping my donor tank. What parts do I need to salvage from the donor to fit the Boyds Tank?
    I see it comes with a pump. So Does it come with everything? Sender and pump and internal filter?
    Will I need a high pressure filter on the outside of the tank before the fuel Rails?
    Thanks Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC7492 View Post
    What parts do I need to salvage from the donor to fit the Boyds Tank?
    You won't need any donor parts from the Subbie tank, just the external filter if you choose to use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DMC7492 View Post
    Sender and pump and internal filter?
    The sender is optional on the Boyd tank, $32 extra. I got my Boyd tank with it installed, as well as the roll-over valve. Like this, the tank is pretty much 'plug and play'.

    Quote Originally Posted by DMC7492 View Post
    Will I need a high pressure filter on the outside of the tank before the fuel Rails?
    Yes, the 818 assembly manual shows to use the Subie filter (p176), however I plan to use something smaller and nicer looking.

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    Perfect answer!!! Thanks Don

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    What size fittings do I need for the fuel and return line? Where did you order them from? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by rori View Post
    What size fittings do I need for the fuel and return line? Where did you order them from? Thanks
    I've installed my Boyd tank, but haven't hooked up the lines yet; the Boyd website says:

    QUICK OVERVIEW
    Product Number: 14030

    Tank Dimensions: 46.5 x 6.5 x 10
    Tank Thickness: 1/8"
    Material Grade: 5052 Aluminum
    Approx Weight: 24 LBS
    Tank Baffles: 2

    Fill: 2" OD Ribbed For Hose
    Vent: 1/2" NPT ( Rollover Valve Optional)
    Draw: 3/8 NPT
    Return: 3/8 NPT
    Drain: N/A
    Sending Unit Flange: Yes (0-90 Ohm Sending Unit Optional)
    Mounting Tabs: (4) 2 x 2 x 2" Long

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    Thanks. Looks like we need two 3/8NPT with 5/16" hose barb
    Last edited by rori; 02-25-2014 at 03:54 PM.

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