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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    I have 65ft so I hope it'll be ok. The new nose will be a different color so that removes 3-4ft.
    Sorry about the comment on the door, you have an R so this does not apply to you. I remembered that when I went to sleep last night (I think about 818 stuff 90% of my days and nights).

    I'm amazed you managed the center of the rear bumper in one piece, that must have stretched a lot on the backup/TS lights but you made it.
    I measured last night and I have 25 feet left over from the 75 foot roll and there were 3 attempts on hood so I would say that with 5x50 foot roll you will have plenty and a little left over.
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    I removed all the quick latches (I had used 7 on the rear decks) and just went with standard hood pins, but black posts and carbon fiber scuff plates.
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    Did you find that the hood pins easier to use, or was it more a question of the reliability of the quick latches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynntuna View Post
    Did you find that the hood pins easier to use, or was it more a question of the reliability of the quick latches?
    Easier to use and better reliability, it is very easy to tell when a hood pin is missing and not so easy to see that the latch is not secure, these are not that simple to line up when you are in a hurry.
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    Do not use quick latches on the engine access panel(s)! We did, not good when fire is involved, the get stuck. Aero latch or sliding hood pins! They ended up just ripping it off our car to get to the fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Do not use quick latches on the engine access panel(s)! We did, not good when fire is involved, the get stuck. Aero latch or sliding hood pins! They ended up just ripping it off our car to get to the fire
    How about just not catching on fire? . If it's on fire- I could care less about the fiberglass. You already have big problems, especially if you have the gas tank/cell in the original position.
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    did you/are you going to spray clear over the cf wrap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    did you/are you going to spray clear over the cf wrap?
    No as I wanted a matte finish for the CF not a glossy one, this goes with the matte grey better I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    How about just not catching on fire? . If it's on fire- I could care less about the fiberglass. You already have big problems, especially if you have the gas tank/cell in the original position.
    Where is the fuel cell in the NP01?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    No as I wanted a matte finish for the CF not a glossy one, this goes with the matte grey better I think
    I found, at least on the CF wrap I used on my interior trim pieces, that applying ANY top coating over it (I tried a eurethane spray-on clear coat and some clear epoxy laminating resin) causes it to turn solid block with zero CF texture or pattern appearing beneath the clear coat. I was using 3M CF look wrap.

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    Surprisingly, Fire on the outside of the engine was NOT in the plan, but thank you for the input.

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    Major milestone, I emptied the last box over this past weekend, no more FFR boxes !

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    That is satisfying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielsDM View Post
    Where is the fuel cell in the NP01?
    You access it by taking the seat out on the inside. 2 barriers (3 with bladder) and more distance than the 818 from the motor (more than double). Plus no hot headers inches from fuel cell- that's why I moved mine on the 818R to passenger compartment. Better weight distribution also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    You access it by taking the seat out on the inside. 2 barriers (3 with bladder) and more distance than the 818 from the motor (more than double). Plus no hot headers inches from fuel cell- that's why I moved mine on the 818R to passenger compartment. Better weight distribution also.
    Our experience is that you are not going to change the weight distribution, once corner balanced and a cross balance of 50% the distribution of the 818 will still be 40/60 with the tank anywhere within the roll cage area, as we played with this and no difference. Moving tank up front out of the roll cage area may make a difference, we did not play with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Our experience is that you are not going to change the weight distribution, once corner balanced and a cross balance of 50% the distribution of the 818 will still be 40/60 with the tank anywhere within the roll cage area, as we played with this and no difference. Moving tank up front out of the roll cage area may make a difference, we did not play with that.
    I should of been more clear. I was talking fuel load offset.
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    Tony,
    Have you gotten the Race Capture Pro setup working with the OBDII to CAN adapter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielsDM View Post
    Tony,
    Have you gotten the Race Capture Pro setup working with the OBDII to CAN adapter?
    Yes I have it going to a 1000NIT JDI screen all is working
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    Good to hear it's all working. I'm anxious to get mine up and going, kind of need to finish the rest of the car too.
    What data are you logging via CAN vs. direct connections to the RCP?
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    Tony,
    A while back you had ask how high my wing is off the rear deck. Well playing with the car today at lunch I remembered your request. My wing is 9" from the highest point on the rear deck to the bottom of the wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    While playing with the car today at lunch .
    Rub it in Mitch.
    What wing and AoA.
    When you need gas, do you drive it over to the museum?
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    Hi Bob, and yes rubbing on it is a nice way to relax during lunch
    I have the APR GTC 300 that FF sells, AoA measured at the cent of the wing is 2* currently.
    We have a Mobil station on site with 87, 93, 98, 104 and 110 octane fuels, I had the the engine tuned to run 93.
    We going to see you at 10/10ths, MVP or our event next month?

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    I am getting ready to head to the track next week and needed to get my wing up higher above the roll cage, so I sent Doug at FORMACARs a cad file of what I wanted and he produced some excellent quality CNC 1/2" T6061 Aluminum wing struts for me. So I am now 6" above the top of the roll cage bar, so 18" off the rear deck as before I was at 11" above rear deck, even with roll cage.

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    Now, set your wing to 0-2 degrees and enjoy! The difference now that you are out of the shadow of the cage will be youge!

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    Tony, nice mounts! How did you land on 1/2" thick? Based on the recommendation of my wing builder, I was going to use 3/16" and then add some cross bracing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aero STI View Post
    Tony, nice mounts! How did you land on 1/2" thick? Based on the recommendation of my wing builder, I was going to use 3/16" and then add some cross bracing.
    I talked to the APR folks and they said that 5/16 would be the minimum they would recommend using on the way I have the wing mounted, so I went with 1/2 to be sure I did not have issues as I have my wing pushed back over the edge of the body now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    I am getting ready to head to the track next week and needed to get my wing up higher above the roll cage, so I sent Doug at FORMACARs a cad file of what I wanted and he produced some excellent quality CNC 1/2" T6061 Aluminum wing struts for me. So I am now 6" above the top of the roll cage bar, so 18" off the rear deck as before I was at 11" above rear deck, even with roll cage.

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    The struts look great on the car, glad to help. Can't wait to hear how they perform!

    (Your Subie in the driveway looks a bit jealous.)
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    Nice Tony, have fun and looking forward to a report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    I talked to the APR folks and they said that 5/16 would be the minimum they would recommend using on the way I have the wing mounted, so I went with 1/2 to be sure I did not have issues as I have my wing pushed back over the edge of the body now.
    Interesting. Thanks! I'm going to need to consult with a few of the MEs turned self-proclaimed aerodynamicists at my company.

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    Lookin Good!

    Tony I take it this means you'll be at the The Ridge Enduro? How about you Jeff?
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    Car is going in to the tuner for dyno work and break in. We have tires ready to go, so it's up to what happens this weekend on the new rebuild. We hope yes.

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    retroracing is that your car that caught fire in turn8 at the ridge.

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    If it was blue with a white roll cage and hump, then yes. Please don't tell me another 818 caught fire there, I might do damage to myself.....

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    I finished up the data logger and virtual dash this weekend, so almost ready for the track if the rain stays away for more than 2 hrs

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    New prototype JDI display/tablet going in, should be bright enough at 1100 NIT

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    Track time today, I lost all power, no boost, and smoke out the exhaust, it's a VF30 turbo

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    Hi Tony, can I ask where you got that JDI display? I can't seem to find a supplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy G View Post
    Hi Tony, can I ask where you got that JDI display? I can't seem to find a supplier.

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    Mine is from work but you can get a Cube T7 AliExpress.com as I friend of mine just go 2 from them
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    Car looks great... turbo doesn't -major shame!

    Did you get some good track time in, or did it let go immediately?
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    Oh man the turbo! Sorry to see that.
    I assume the bearing went, which means you have metal shavings in your engine oil. You'll need to pull the oil pan off and check for excessive glitter. You know what happens from there.....
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