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    FFRSpec72 818R Build Seattle WA

    Getting prepared for my 818R build (at the start of the new year) and I have a couple of questions:

    1. Anyone have a packing list that comes with the 818R so I can understand what I'm actually getting?
    2. Anyone have a definitive list of parts that I will need, as my storage space is tight so I can't store a donor, I will have to contract with a local yard for an incoming WRX (in the NW these are common cars)?
    3. Anyone have a list of parts that are better bought new then from a donor, such as radiator, lower control arms, etc?
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    With an 818R- you really don't need a donor. I didn't buy one, and I'm doing great. Added bonus is no labor/time to remove parts, no storage of donor. Just buy parts you need off Ebay or internet (Steering rack, knuckle steering column, front and rear knuckles, new wildwood brakes, a rebuilt race motor or an STI JDM motor, Legacy GT 5 speed trans (I have one I may part with), new aluminum LCA's, Adjustable rear lateral links (you only need 2 adjustable really), new radiator/fan kit. and a bunch of metric hardware (a lot fine thread). You will be golden.
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    PM me your email address, I'll scan the packing list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    With an 818R- you really don't need a donor.
    I was hoping that was the case, and thus my questions as I need some definitive list of parts that I need to acquire, you have given me a start with the parts you listed here. I think one of the main issues will be the wire harness and management systems, I know there are a few companies that make these but not sure how suited these are to the 818R build, as I need sensors/gauge, lights and engine management

    longislandwrx, I sent you a PM with my email address, thanks much !
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    For the wiring harness, talk to Wayne Presley at VCP. He's marketing a harness paired with an Electromotive ECU that should be just what you're looking for. Links up to an AIM or other racing data acquisition system.

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    Subscribed! And there's a PM for you...

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    Just started collecting parts, found a 2002 WRX, so have most of the parts except the LCA (going with STI), wire harness (not sure what I'm going to do there yet).

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    Looking great. Im in the Puyallup area and will be building an 818S. Delivery scheduled for Thursday/Friday this week. Woot woot!

    Will definitely have to keep in touch on the builds.

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    I was just in Puyallup picking up the parts this morning.
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    Will put in new wheel bearings/seals for front and rear spindles/CV, new tie rod ends, will also order new STI aluminum LCA. Will also have new bushings pressed into the rear assembly. I'm close to ordering engine and transmission. Will most likely go with a JDM EJ207 v7 engine and 5sp transmission that have 40K on them. I have still not figured out the wiring harness yet and what I need to do there.
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    After some research and other Subaru Racers I will be going with the Godspeed AK-010 Adjustable lateral Links and the Godspeed AK-033 Trailing Arms
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    With that engine a 2002 Usdm wrx harness can be used.i

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    Alright Tony!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalmaker12 View Post
    With that engine a 2002 Usdm wrx harness can be used.i
    Yea, I think that that is the conclusion that I came to as I think I will need the following:

    USDM WRX Front wiring harness
    JDM Engine wiring harness
    USDM WRX Bulkhead wiring harness
    USDM WRX Instrument panel wiring harness
    USDM WRX Rear wiring harness
    USDM WRX Fuel tank cord
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    I just ordered the SPT Aluminum LCA, new spindle seals, bearing, clips, etc. for front and rear, new tie ends (inner/outer) and new boots all around. I thought that Ford parts for my Spec Racer were expensive but these seem to be higher! I looked around and went with Somerset Subaru as their price was better than most. Thanks to Adam (Somerset Subaru) for working with me to get all the right parts.

    INNER TIE ROD - (34160FE010),
    OUTER TIE ROD - (34161SA001),
    BEARING FRONT - (28316FE000),
    BEARING SEAL FRONT OUTER - (28035TA040),
    BEARING SEAL FRONT INNER- (28015AA080),
    REAR WHEEL BEARING - (28016AA030),
    HUB SEAL REAR OUTER - (28015AA090),
    HUB SEAL REAR 1 - (28015AA100),
    HUB SEAL REAR 2 - (28015AA110),
    FRONT OUTER CV BOOT - (28323FE001),
    REAR INNER CV BOOT - (28423FE000)
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    Just ordered the ARP 100-7716 Extended wheel studs, so I can complete all the spindle/knuckle work
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    After some research and other Subaru Racers I will be going with the Godspeed AK-010 Adjustable lateral Links and the Godspeed AK-033 Trailing Arms
    Tony, have you been able to find out what spherical joints they're running on these? I couldn't find much beyond "yeah, local autocross guys run them" or "I would never run them" on various forums (didn't really look long though). I run sphericals all over my Mustang, but they're all Teflon-lined spherical rod ends from very high quality manufacturers (F.K. Bearings, Aurora, etc.).

    The only detail pics I saw of the Godspeed ones had no manufacturer stamps on them (and apparently they're cast), which is why I ask. Here's a shot:

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    Let me know what you found/find out.

    Best,
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    Did you happen to get in contact with Pacific Import Auto recently inquiring about your 818 project? Mike from PIA mentioned someone from Kirkland called him about an 818 build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurk818 View Post
    Did you happen to get in contact with Pacific Import Auto recently inquiring about your 818 project? Mike from PIA mentioned someone from Kirkland called him about an 818 build.
    Nope, just been talking to the Subaru guys I race with about the parts that they use. Bearings seem to be the major breakage point. I have been talking to Pat's Auto Sport in Auburn about pressing in my bearings.
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    Do you think that will still be the case given the 818 weight is nearly cut in half from its donor counterpart? I didn't press in new bearings but am reconsidering

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brando View Post
    Do you think that will still be the case given the 818 weight is nearly cut in half from its donor counterpart? I didn't press in new bearings but am reconsidering
    I hope not but the Subaru guys were going through front bearings about every 3rd race weekend, one had a serious crash into wall due to a bearing failure, but being half the weight I don't think there will be a problem, but I'm going with new bearings and seals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santiago View Post
    Tony, have you been able to find out what spherical joints they're running on these?
    All I can fins out is they are not the best made and made overseas, I would not use GodSpeed for any front suspension parts, but the rear lateral links and trailing arms are not wear points. I looked at the Whiteline but while they are quality not sure I can justify.
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    So was about to purchase the GodSpeed lateral rear links and then a deal on the Whiteline Lateral rear Links came up making the Whiteline just a $100 more so I went with the Whiteline Lateral rear links, I will keep the stock trailing arms and put in new Whiteline bushings front and rear. So hopefully I'm all set on suspension parts for now and I can get to rebuilding the spindles and replace all the bushings and tie rod ends.

    W61383 - Whiteline Rear Trailing Arm Bushings - Rear Position
    W61381A - Whiteline Front Lower Trailing Arm Bushings
    KTA109 - Whiteline Control Arms Rear Control Arms 4-Piece Kit
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Nope, just been talking to the Subaru guys I race with about the parts that they use. Bearings seem to be the major breakage point. I have been talking to Pat's Auto Sport in Auburn about pressing in my bearings.
    Im using a 2006 STI as a donor. Ive checked the bearings and seals and all of them check out in great shape. With the STI bearings being larger than the WRX im not concerned about changing them out now.

    btw... mine is being delivered by Stewert next week on Wednesday the 29th!
    Last edited by Kurk818; 01-24-2014 at 03:24 PM.

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    The 2005 up rear Sti hubs are slightly different and you will have to modifiy the FFR supplied brackets. Also I am pretty sure the spline is different (larger) and the FFR supplied axles prob won't work. But all of this can be worked out and the Sti stuff is much stronger so go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalmaker12 View Post
    The rear Sti hubs are slightly different and you will have to modifiy the FFR supplied brackets. Also I am pretty sure the spline is different (larger) and the FFR supplied axles prob won't work. But all of this can be worked out and the Sti stuff is much stronger so go with it.
    Agree, all the 04 Sti on the track up here have swapped over to the later STi spindles, and last season did not have any issues. I don't expect any issues with the WRX spindles on the 818 since the weight is not that much, I will have to see how the cross weights play out when I'm done.
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    Got my "fasteners" so I should be all set for any bolts or nuts I need

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    Also have a wire harness mess

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    Cleaning up parts today, I should have all my donor parts minus engine/trans, cost was $600
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalmaker12 View Post
    The rear Sti hubs are slightly different and you will have to modifiy the FFR supplied brackets. Also I am pretty sure the spline is different (larger) and the FFR supplied axles prob won't work. But all of this can be worked out and the Sti stuff is much stronger so go with it.
    Im aware of theses issues but i think its worth the effort. Im using the 6 speed as well. Thats a challenge im going to let FRR sort out.

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    Where did you score a bin of bolts like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurk818 View Post
    Im aware of theses issues but i think its worth the effort. Im using the 6 speed as well. Thats a challenge im going to let FRR sort out.
    Here is a picture of a center Diff Lock kit for a 6mt transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurk818 View Post
    Where did you score a bin of bolts like that?
    The guy I bought the donor parts from has striped 3 WRX in the past week so I asked him to save me all the nuts/bolts/fasteners from one strip. He then cuts the frame up with a saw into about 8 pieces an then loads them into his truck and sells for scrap and sells the good parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    The guy I bought the donor parts from has striped 3 WRX in the past week so I asked him to save me all the nuts/bolts/fasteners from one strip. He then cuts the frame up with a saw into about 8 pieces an then loads them into his truck and sells for scrap and sells the good parts.
    You can never have too many random bolts/nuts/clips!

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    I wish every nut and bolt was metric. It seems crazy that the kit parts are SAE and the donor parts are Metric. That will drive me insane trying to make repairs at a race track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post
    I wish every nut and bolt was metric. It seems crazy that the kit parts are SAE and the donor parts are Metric. That will drive me insane trying to make repairs at a race track.
    That's why I have a big metric bolt bin, as where I can I will go metric :-)
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    Suspension parts arrived yesterday (Somerset Subaru was great to deal with on the OEM and SPT parts)

    New spindle bearings (front and rear), seals, clips, steering rack tie rod ends (inner/outer) and rack boots

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    New CV joint boots

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    New SPT LCAs

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    New Whiteline rear lateral links and Wihiteline rear trailing arm bushings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post
    I wish every nut and bolt was metric. It seems crazy that the kit parts are SAE and the donor parts are Metric. That will drive me insane trying to make repairs at a race track.
    My fmod is that way. Motor is metric, most other things are english, most of my tools are metric. Usually takes 2 trips to the toolbox to find something that works.
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    Spindles are off to the race shop to get new bearing, seals and clips, along with the rear trailing arms for bushings and the steering rack for new tie rods and boots.
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    Kit ready date is on time for 2/22 and pickup is set for 2/24 so should be here 3/10 if all goes OK and the weather is not a factor.

    Order options:

    Basic 818 R
    Powder coated frame
    Carbon front spoiler
    Carbon rear diffuser
    Willwood 12" 4 piston calipers/rotors, in black (too cheap for red as they will turn anyway)

    JDM EJ207v7 Engine
    JDM 5sp transmission

    Donor-less build, so this will be a Craigslist Build

    105lb race driver (my daughter)
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    Tony, it's good to hear about your experience with Somerset. The next month will be a long one I'm sure!


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    Done with the rebuild of spindles (bearings, seals and 3" studs, rear spindles got new Whiteline trailing arm bushings), trailing arms (Whiteline bushings) and steering rack (inner/outer tie rods, new boots)


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