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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    Austin. Here's my view of turn 1.

    Lucky B!!! Again! lolll
    Check out that blue sky!!

    Don't forget to upload your youtube videos of the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    So you want to run 25" tires up front?
    uh nope. I guess i'll be ordering 215/40/r18s instead of 225s :/
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    Why not run wide 17's up front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scargo View Post
    Why not run wide 17's up front?
    I hate how small the 24" wheel/tire looks in the wheel well, so I went bigger. I had to go out more as well to achieve enough clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    I hate how small the 24" wheel/tire looks in the wheel well, so I went bigger. I had to go out more as well to achieve enough clearance.
    You must love F1 tires then (26")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    You must love F1 tires then (26")
    I love everything about F1. I'm liking our chances in Mexico!



    Oil coolers plumbed and installed. Getting really close now!



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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... hard to see on the pic but are those coolers totally parallel with the tires? Or perpendicular, depends how you look at it.

    What I mean is that they should be at an angle that is not 0 nor 90. Unless the back side of the coolers will be totally blocked from the wind and pressure pushed off of the wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... hard to see on the pic but are those coolers totally parallel with the tires? Or perpendicular, depends how you look at it.

    What I mean is that they should be at an angle that is not 0 nor 90. Unless the back side of the coolers will be totally blocked from the wind and pressure pushed off of the wheels.



    They're tucked in, mostly out of the path of the wheel. There's a splash guard for behind it, which will have a cutout and some mesh. The idea is to vent around the wheel and out behind it at the door.
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    I see better now! Good boy you thought of that.
    Did you also think that where your hoses are bending towards the cooler and the small cooler support lips or brackets on the left on the pic is exactly where an alu panel from FFR fits? In other words, you'll need to cut a huge hole to let the cooler and hoses through the alu panel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    I see better now! Good boy you thought of that.
    Did you also think that where your hoses are bending towards the cooler and the small cooler support lips or brackets on the left on the pic is exactly where an alu panel from FFR fits? In other words, you'll need to cut a huge hole to let the cooler and hoses through the alu panel.
    Do you mean the splash guard that goes behind the cooler?


    On another note, today could possibly end with a startup video. I've already been cranking it to build oil pressure, no luck yet. I don't expect the starter to build much pressure, I just want the needle to move. I'm waiting for the wife to come home so I can get more oil, so far it's taken 6.5 quarts! The good news is oil is flowing, so I know the pump works. But it was challenging to get much of any oil in my oil lines prior to install, and I have around 30' of -10. The oil coolers themselves took almost a quart each. I also don't want to dry crank it anymore without squirting some oil in the plug holes on the rotors.

    Once I have oil pressure, I'll fill the tank, prime the fuel system, and check for leaks. Then I have some laptop work on the ecu to do before trying to fire it. Pretty pumped!!!

    Here's where I mounted the ecu and fuse block. There's some aem related fuses opposite the painless block.

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    No I mean the radiator side alu panels, they're in the way of both your hoses and cooler cores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    No I mean the radiator side alu panels, they're in the way of both your hoses and cooler cores.
    i'm guessing he can just sheer a 1.5" section out of the middle and fit it with no issues.
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    Yeah I'm guessing that too, it's just that he'll need to block off the hole if he doesn't want the air to go through the panel instead of through the rad, it's not hard, just that something to keep in mind and I was wondering if he did.
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    Are you guys talking about this panel?

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    I don't see well on the pic but it's look to be that panel yes, did you bend it on the fwd section?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    I don't see well on the pic but it's look to be that panel yes, did you bend it on the fwd section?
    I didn't bend anything, just cut out for the lines. I'll take a better pic of it when I pull it outside later. Didn't get much time on it after yesterday, but I'm close today. It does run, more easily than expected actually. I primed the fuel system looking for leaks and noticed a oil leak on the turbo drain. So I pulled the fuse for the pump and gave it a quick crank to verify the source of the leak, it fired instantly with the fuel in the line. I immediately shut it down because I'm still in the garage and want to do my first start outside. But it sounds AMAZING!
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    Whoo! Thumbs up!
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    You made it!! 70h/week of non-818 work but you still managed! Awesome!
    Need some tune eh.
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    Thanks guys. It was a little bittersweet, as I have a few things to figure out before continuing. It's backfiring a little, and my oil pressure is quite high. After about 20 secs the poping gets more intense and I'm afraid to continue. I was hoping to get it up to tempature to see if the oil pressure settled down, but I'm afraid to let it keep idling. I say idling, but it was actually about 2500rpm. I believe that's a normal high idle for rotaries. Everything about tuning is new to me, so I have A LOT to learn.

    Also, the last time I turned off the key it didn't shut off which scared the crap out of me. I panicked and pulled the spark plug wires. I believe it's the way I have the alternator wired. I'm going to do a bunch of reading, and maybe start posting on more specific forums for rotaries and the aem ecu. However I welcome any and all feedback, as I'm now in over my head.
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    Wow huge congrats! The first 818 rotary start!!

    Post up a diagram of how you wired the alternator and your ECU and ignition key and I may be able to help with the issue of it not shutting off with the key. Alternator and battery wiring is very important. You need the battery and alternator wired together and fused in such a way that if anything happens, the battery acts as a voltage buffer in case of alternator spikes etc.

    Do you have a tuner you can take the car to? I tried tuning mine myself, and I know a *fair* amount about engine management, but there were just too many variables on a turbo car and strange things happening. Took it to a tuner and he had it sorted in no time.

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    Congrats!

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    Great to see and hear your success - Congratulations!

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    Thanks everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Wow huge congrats! The first 818 rotary start!!

    Post up a diagram of how you wired the alternator and your ECU and ignition key and I may be able to help with the issue of it not shutting off with the key. Alternator and battery wiring is very important. You need the battery and alternator wired together and fused in such a way that if anything happens, the battery acts as a voltage buffer in case of alternator spikes etc.

    Do you have a tuner you can take the car to? I tried tuning mine myself, and I know a *fair* amount about engine management, but there were just too many variables on a turbo car and strange things happening. Took it to a tuner and he had it sorted in no time.
    I'll draw it up tomorrow. If I recall correctly there's just one wire coming off the alternator (besides the two for a light) and it goes to the harness side of the 70amp maxi fuse I have between everything and the battery. What I'm unsure of is what's in place for an ignition relay. I might actually have two, one on the painless fuse block and one built into the aem harness.

    There's no "professional" tuners here, but my good buddy has tuned quite a few fuel injected V8's and he's going to help me through it. He has already assigned me some things to check. I probably have something hooked up wrong, as the base tune should've been good for idle.
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    Sweet. I'm really glad to see options in these cars (even I don't intend to use one)

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    Congrats on getting the motor running! Are you planning on installing a battery kill switch? I have one between the battery and main fuse box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STiPWRD View Post
    Congrats on getting the motor running! Are you planning on installing a battery kill switch? I have one between the battery and main fuse box.
    Eventually, as I'm sure it'll be required at the track. However I'm not sure I want to wait after yesterday's "run on"
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    So here's how things are wired up.



    Both the fuse block and ECU get consistent power and ignition power.
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    Did a little more digging, all the power coming from the alternator is fused, so I think I'm protected. I just can't figure out how the ecu stayed on after the ignition switch was turned off. Each time before and since, it's worked fine. Turn the key off, ecu powers off. The ecu does have constant power, but shouldn't be able to run without ignition power. Both the fuel pump and coils get power directly from the battery through a fuse and relay, but require a signal from the ecu to the relay.

    I'm unsure of where to put the kill switch. If I put it between everything and the battery, could the alternator still power the system? Does it need to be between the battery/alternator and everything else?
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    Oh I see it now you're aem ignition power is also hooked up before the switch move it after. That wire shouldn't have power with key off. Should be 2 or 3 outputs on ignition start power to starter. Key on power (this is the one you want). And possibly accessory power which is on in either acc position or on position I believe check for yourself.

    See later post
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    Now I'm confused is 916 the ignition switched power out or the main power in from the battery for the ignition?
    If 916 red is the ignition switched power out then it shouldn't connect to the battery.

    If it's the input then it shouldn't connect to anything else before it passes to the ignition. Take your power from the key on output or use that output to power a relay and take power from the relay.

    See next post
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    http://www.painlessperformance.com/Manuals/10140.pdf

    OK let's start over. I believe this is what your referencing.

    Looks like your hooked up right. Main thing to check . Does the ignition power input wire to the aem have power with key off.

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    Also can a rotor motor create an electrical field? Add motor to chassis to battery grounds , grounded shields for important wires.

    Also do you still have a bunch of unconnected wires laying in a pile? Some may have power...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    I'm unsure of where to put the kill switch. If I put it between everything and the battery, could the alternator still power the system? Does it need to be between the battery/alternator and everything else?
    I hooked mine up between the battery and everything. The only other thing hooked up directly to the battery (and bypasses kill switch) is the low gauge wire to the starter.

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    Thanks for the input guys, I always appreciate feedback. I couldn't pull the car outside yesterday to fiddle with more as it was snowing and -1c. I'm just waiting for daylight now before I start pissing off the neighbors. I spent some time yesterday reading and watching videos on the Infinity ecu and found about half a dozen reasons why it was running bad. My daughter said it sounded like a minion with a fart gun, lol. I also think I know why it didn't turn off. I was attempting to log how bad it was running, but I was afraid to keep it running long enough to save a log. As soon as you turn off the ignition switch the ecu shuts down. So I had turned on a feature called "key off commit", which saves all data before powering off when the key is turned off. It only occurred to me last night that it probably delays shut down while saving, which is why I thought it was a "run on" situation. I didn't let it run more than 5 secs before yanking plug wires. It must use the permanent power to keep the ecu on. The discription for this option also scared me away from a kill switch because if the permanent power is cut while saving after key off, the ecu may have to go back to aem to be fixed. But after yesterday's research, turns out most people don't use that option anyway. More updates later on my theories, and maybe a longer video, lol
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    OMG what a bad bad bad feature!! When you swich the key off it's cuz you want the engine to shut down now, not later at an unknown moment. Think of any emergency situation for which you need to shut down the engine right now.

    It's fine to have a feature to keep the ECU on while saving, but it should never keep the engine running (besides that messes with the log cuz the log continues to grow while the engine runs).

    They should fix that feature right away.

    Also if cutting power while saving a file bricks the ECU, that's also a very bad design. Bricking an ECU should not be possible in cases where you are not updating its firmware. Then yes, but saving a file outside the code/firmware should not brick the ECU. Mine saves on disk (laptop, tablet, etc.), no problem if I cut power while saving. Although I control the power to ECU independent from the IGN and "I" control it, not the wiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    OMG what a bad bad bad feature!! When you swich the key off it's cuz you want the engine to shut down now, not later at an unknown moment. Think of any emergency situation for which you need to shut down the engine right now.

    It's fine to have a feature to keep the ECU on while saving, but it should never keep the engine running (besides that messes with the log cuz the log continues to grow while the engine runs).

    They should fix that feature right away.

    Also if cutting power while saving a file bricks the ECU, that's also a very bad design. Bricking an ECU should not be possible in cases where you are not updating its firmware. Then yes, but saving a file outside the code/firmware should not brick the ECU. Mine saves on disk (laptop, tablet, etc.), no problem if I cut power while saving. Although I control the power to ECU independent from the IGN and "I" control it, not the wiring.
    I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, once it's idling good I'll turn it back on and test it. Also, my ignition power to the ecu is to the "on" position, I'm not sure if it should be there or on "acc" or even a switch. Is power to "acc" cut when cranking?
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    Yeah plz make sure you test it once idling works. Don't **** it the ECU, though. lolll

    Normally ACC stays on when you crank, I think there are a couple of OEM cars that switch on the headlights or something while cranking, but normally ACC stays on, as well as IGN. It's possible aftermarket ECUs have the option to switch it off, though.
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