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    Small update. Removed the exhaust/turbo/manifold this morning to inspect the apex seals like I had mentioned before. Since the rear rotor's compression was good I could compare the two and see the difference. The rear rotor seals springed back as they should, and front rotor seals barely compressed and any spring back was unnoticeable. So, some cleaning and lube should bring back compression.

    When I first looked in the exhaust ports there was some greenish fluid pooled in the housings. My first thought was coolant, but it could've been gas since it has been premixed with 2-stroke oil. I soaked it up with a shop towel, it wasn't much, just needed to know what it was. It kinda smelled like gas, but it wasn't flammable. I had let the injectors fire briefly before doing my compression tests a few weeks ago to lube everything, so in theory it could be what remains of the 2-stroke oil after the gas has evaporated. But more than likely it's coolant, as it is a used engine that's been sitting for years and has stuck seals.

    I'll do a quick pressure and vacuum test of the coolant system, but my hopes of not rebuilding right away are pretty much shot.
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    Just wait and get it running at low boost, once you have your stuck seals dealt with. The thing might just seal up again when you get it up to temp, our bridges do that all the time.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Just wait and get it running at low boost, once you have your stuck seals dealt with. The thing might just seal up again when you get it up to temp, our bridges do that all the time.

    Good luck!
    I pressurized the coolant system to 15psi and it held fine, and I remembered the first time I filled it that it held vacuum fine. Another thing I remembered is that most of the coolant had been drained to modify my rear rad cap housing and change my rad, so how would coolant get into the housing during my compression tests if the water pump had only residual coolant to attempt to pressuriz? So it probably was just oil.

    Sprayed each seal with carb cleaner, got them moving better, and then covered them with MMO. I put a bunch of MMO in both housings and cranked it backwards by hand a bunch to get it everywhere, especially on the side/corner seals. I'll probably put a bit more in this evening, hand crank some more, and then do a compression test in the morning. If it's a bit better, then I'll start reinstalling everything and fire her up!

    Thanks for the advice, always appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    I didn't notice the change initially, thought it was the one I had posted. I think the modified centre one you did does look better, thanks for taking the time! It does however vent less, which makes me torn on the form vs function debate I struggle with. With the side scoops larger, my engine bay will be more pressurized than anyone else's, so I need to maximize my venting. I'm almost second guessing the new taillights, but I've yet to find a better option.
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    Any recent pix of where you're at with the car?
    Been a while for the last ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Any recent pix of where you're at with the car?
    Been a while for the last ones.
    I started making videos, to be posted soon.
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    Oh that's even better! loll
    Time lapsed vids like Tamra?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Oh that's even better! loll
    Time lapsed vids like Tamra?
    A little time lapse, but mostly me talking about the car and what I'm doing with it. Plan is to make small vids tackling different tasks and how this amateur does it. There's also a lot of small details that don't come across well by just posting pics,
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    It worked! Not to get ahead of myself, but after just a few cranks of the starter compression jumped from the previous 5-5-30psi to 70-70-80psi. So I'm going to put everything back together, fill the coolant, and get her running again, this time with some front compression and both rear plugs firing! Hopefully a few heat cycles will free up the seals a little more and compression will get closer to an even 90psi across the board.
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    Premix your two stroke at 6oz per gallon for a few tank fulls, with some injection cleaner. If you are still running a metering pump, mix fuel at 2-3oz per gallon. Two stoke burns clean, oil from the metering pump, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Premix your two stroke at 6oz per gallon for a few tank fulls, with some injection cleaner. If you are still running a metering pump, mix fuel at 2-3oz per gallon. Two stoke burns clean, oil from the metering pump, not so much.
    OMP is long gone, premixed 94 is what I'm using. I don't recall what ratio I mixed it at, but definitely not that much. Are you saying to run a lot of premix initially and then tone it down?
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    Yup, it will help loosen everything up, just 2-3 tanks worth, then back to 4.5oz per 5 gallons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Yup, it will help loosen everything up, just 2-3 tanks worth, then back to 4.5oz per 5 gallons.
    Ok cool, that makes sense. I'll be sure to do that. Just realized I need a new exhaust manifold gasket, so it might be next week before I get everything buttoned up for a start. Still lots to do, pitter patter....
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    Not sure if you know this but there's a company called RotaryAviation that makes a adapter plate for about $135 that goes behind the injector pump that alows you to run 2 stroke oil out of a remote resivoir and it utilizes the stock oil injection pump. That way you can run a synthetic oil in the crankcase and inject a clean burning 2 stroke oil in the combustion chambers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowsteel View Post
    Not sure if you know this but there's a company called RotaryAviation that makes a adapter plate for about $135 that goes behind the injector pump that alows you to run 2 stroke oil out of a remote resivoir and it utilizes the stock oil injection pump. That way you can run a synthetic oil in the crankcase and inject a clean burning 2 stroke oil in the combustion chambers...
    Robert GTM 407 & 427
    I know so little about rotaries other than the REW that I don't even know where their injector pumps are, lol, I just know efi. I did however know that someone makes an omp adapter like you said to run 2 stroke via a separate reservoir. IMO it's still not the best choice for performance, and you have to remember to keep topping it up. The biggest draw to pre-mixing is that I know the housings are being lubricated, and far more evenly than with the OMP which could fail without knowing. It certainly adds some inconveniences to refilling, but this will never be a daily driver.
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    Like I mentioned I started filming my progress on the car. After doing a few projects I realized I should do an intro video. It's a bit winded, but I wanted to touch on a bit of everything. I have a some actual tasks filmed, just need to do some editing. For anyone that takes the time to watch it, thanks, and let me know what you think.

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    ^^^Like^^^ Great to put a face with a name.
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    Great video, I enjoyed it just like I have enjoyed watching your build thread.

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    Adam, I enjoyed it. Keep them coming. I also admire your guts diving into the rotary pool, then the wide body pond.
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    Thanks guys! I was worried it was a bit winded, but I had a lot to say, lol. On another good note, I have the car up and running! My coolant mods seemed to have worked, however I'm now being limited to my abilities with the ecu. Tuning idle isn't going as easily as the manual led me to believe, and I can't seem to get the ecu to turn on the fans. Very frustrating, especially since I decided to quit coffee on Monday and am suffering with some serious irritability, lol.
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    quit coffee? oh man. good luck.
    A well stocked beverage fridge is the key to any successful project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    quit coffee? oh man. good luck.
    Ha, no kidding. Today I'm doing a first aid course, not sure this can be done without coffee, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    quit coffee? oh man. good luck.
    Easier to quit than alcool.
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    About the vid, how did you manage to find the time to make such a nice vid considering the amount of work you need to put on the car?
    I can't even check this forum more than 1-2 a week now, no time at all for my own vids. You are a true God.
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    Adam,

    I really enjoyed your presentation. I hope that the rx7 motor and builds works out for you!

    I will continue to read and watch along as you post.

    Paul

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    Thanks Frank and Paul! Lots more video coming soon. I find doing a video actually keeps me very goal orientated, as opposed to my usual "do a little of this, oh right I forgot that, do some of that" ending up with nothing finished. As far as editing, I have a 10 month old who requires supervision but not always my attention, so when she's playing by herself good I grab the laptop. The editing has been fun to learn.
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    Good video! Great point the internet has some great diy write ups for our hobby and video's. Some. Aren't so good but some are fantastic and given me some confidence to go out on a few limbs and make it my own. I was a bit disappointed you didn't say ah alot, but I guess the bread basket doesn't have the same accent as the St Lawrence region I am used to. Great build and i hope the car can handle the weight of your giant gentlemen's ornaments you must clearly have based on the extensive body and engine modifications you jumped into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine227 View Post
    Good video! Great point the internet has some great diy write ups for our hobby and video's. Some. Aren't so good but some are fantastic and given me some confidence to go out on a few limbs and make it my own. I was a bit disappointed you didn't say ah alot, but I guess the bread basket doesn't have the same accent as the St Lawrence region I am used to. Great build and i hope the car can handle the weight of your giant gentlemen's ornaments you must clearly have based on the extensive body and engine modifications you jumped into.

    Thanks! Sorry to disappoint on the accent, I actually do say "ah" and "right?" a lot, but I became painfully aware after a couple of takes and tried not to. It's charm turns to annoying fast, lol, just listen to any speech from our prime minister. I'm not sure it's giant ornaments or just not knowing what I'm getting into, but thanks for the compliments!
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    Does this sound like a bad throwout bearing to anyone? It sounds like I'm hearing the clutch slip on the flywheel as it engages, but it's louder than it should be. Old clutch, unknown history, new flywheel.

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    My tob makes noise with clutch depressed. Yours seems more clutch flywheel noise. Is the 13B alive and well now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine227 View Post
    Is the 13B alive and well now?
    It's alive, but it's too soon to say it's "well".
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    Made a little video while I wired up my fans. It wasn't until after startup that I realized my ecu signal is a switched ground versus switched power, so I had to change the wire locations at the relay. Below is my little diagram, top is for switched ground, bottom is for switched 12v.



    My current work schedule doesn't allow time to work on the car, but does give me time to edit videos. So I'll finish up a couple more, and then I can edit a good startup video which may or may not include a short drive!
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    Adam,
    I liked your video (first one).
    Same philosophy as me..... I'm willing to learn and try new things, and have some fun in the process.
    With the stuff available now on the internet and support from a forum like this one, its been enjoyable..... a journey.
    Thanks man. Keep it up.
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    I'm sad we don't live close by, I'd love to use your help on my build, you learning from my build experience for yours and then me help you on your build, learning from your build experience for mine. Damn that's too bad.
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    Thanks Harley! Definitely let me know if you're ever in Edmonton, and likewise if I'm ever that far west I'd love to see your car.

    Frank, I couldn't agree more, it's a shame all of us Canadians are so spread out.
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    COOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!

    You ceramic painted the exhaust and then wrapped, I didn't think about that, damn! I just wrapped, but starting at the muffler I was out of lava wrap so I just ceramic painted it. I don't know if I should buy more wrap and wrap it all over.

    So you're a biker too!
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    Same here on the left coast, we have the 818 on the hoist, two RX7's under and behind, and a HD bobber buried under parts bins at the front! So, from one rotary-818-HD crew to another, we salute you!

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    Adam, timely video.
    I also had my header ceramic coated and then wrapped it and DEI coated it, but I didn't know about getting it wet to help with getting it on tight.
    I do have plans to wrap my exhaust, so I'll be trying that method.
    Thx
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