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818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Thats a lot of welding, but turned out good.
-Steve
Adam, That's pretty! Is that steel or stainless? If SS, are you back-purging or using something like Weldcote Metals Solar Flux Type B ?
"Scotty, give me all the TRACTION she's got!" Pictures of what I drive till 818R is finished
Track Car Journal on IWSTI (with build info)
It's all SS, and I'm back purging. I've never tried that flux, maybe next time.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
It works really well. It's great if you don't have to worry about it flaking off and going downstream and causing problems or if you can remove it as you go. it becomes glass-like and chips off fairly easily.
"Scotty, give me all the TRACTION she's got!" Pictures of what I drive till 818R is finished
Track Car Journal on IWSTI (with build info)
I'll have to try it next time, probably cheaper than argon too. This weekend is thanksgiving in Canada, so unfortunately turkey is going to keep me from getting all the welding done, but here's what I've come up with.
Once it's all welded up I'll make a bracket to the transmission, but this it. There's a lot of welds in there, so I'm going to wait until it's been properly heat cycled a few times before wrapping it just in case there a crack somewhere. It's definitely more restrictive than my first design, however as far as heat management goes it should keep the heat away from the intake and fuel lines. Also the cat wouldn't have lasted long in the other location with all the heat the rotary generates. Now the cat is almost 3' downstream. As an added bonus, the two 180* bends should quiet it down a bit, which was always going to be a problem.
Next up is hacking up my drivers side sail to clear my 305's. I'm still far from ready to do bodywork, but I want a rough fitment of where my side sail will be so I can mount my intercooler and get started on plumbing my IC piping.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
brap brap.
A well stocked beverage fridge is the key to any successful project.
Wow, you've got nothing behind that shock tower brace! Empty space, not even air!
I admit it's a pretty unusual exhaust setup but you've got to be creative, it's not an H4.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
To those running oil coolers up front, like Chad or Wayne, is there any reason I shouldn't mount my inline thermostat up front?
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
I used a Mishmoto block mounted sandwich plate with a thermostat built in.
Wayne Presley www.verycoolparts.com
Xterminator 705 RWHP supercharged 4.6 DOHC with twin turbos
Wayne,
Is it this one?
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I just saw this, for the BRZ, which would space the fittings farther away from the timing covers.
subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-oil-cooler-kit-2013-21.jpg
My Canton setup:
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The Canton sits taller than any other products I know of, hence it allows fittings to hug the timing cover and be routed up the front, away from the exhaust.
I was just helping a friend build a motor and he has a two-way sandwich plate (that retains the filter mounting position). Two-way in that fittings can be on the side or on the top (as shown). I realized he could not run his oil lines like I do. He ran his fittings and hoses off the top, as shown. Either way you have to go over the exhaust at some point to get to a place for the oil cooler, etc. This spring he had one of his wrapped hoses burst, spin him out and cause an oil fire. His setup is like this:
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Now I see that it is possible to buy a spacer and use the Mishimoto part you are suggesting, with the internal thermostat. This spacer may not be available separately as it is part of a Mishimoto kit.
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However, the spacing of the Canton unit is near perfect in that fittings barely clear the covers and stay as far away from the headers as possible. Further spacing would move the hoses closer to the exhaust. The Canton part I use does not have an internal thermostatic bypass valve and they do not offer one with an internal thermostatic bypass valve!
Mocal makes a bunch of adapters with internal thermostats, that I'm guessing you sell, but I don't know if they stand any taller.
"Scotty, give me all the TRACTION she's got!" Pictures of what I drive till 818R is finished
Track Car Journal on IWSTI (with build info)
Wayne Presley www.verycoolparts.com
Xterminator 705 RWHP supercharged 4.6 DOHC with twin turbos
Adam, here is my setup. The fittings easily clear the timing belt cover and the fittings aren't at-all close to the exhaust manifold heat shield. I'm using the mocal thermostatic sandwich plate with a BRZ spacer.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post198495
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post201822
Adam at what degree your switch will open? Or what are you aiming for.
On my VW I open it at 80C, a little on the cold side, I believe, but temps always stayed between 90-100 on hot days when not pushing it for too long. I expect these values to change (but not the 80C) with the 818 due to the very very different cooler mount location.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Question about your cat positioning: is it too far from the exit of the turbo? Are you going to wrap the long straight pipe? I'm pretty sure the exhaust temp needs to be pretty high through the cat to get it to work correctly.
Those curves are awesome, very nice job there!
818SC chassis #206 EJ207 2.0L VF37 twin scroll || Cusco type RS 1.5 LSD || Wilwood pedal box (firewall attach) || Wilwood superlite front calipers
BUILD Phase 1: 6/6/2014 car delivered || 5/24/2015 first start || 6/7/2015 go karted || 4/20/2016 hard-top-topped || 10/25/2016 registered || 11/18/2016 inspected & complete
BUILD Phase 2: 3/8/2017 EJ207v8 || 5/29/2017 re-first re-start || 7/17/2017 re-assembled with race car bits
Thanks for sharing your setups guys, but I'm using a remote thermostat. If I mount it up front then I'd be adding the 12-15ft loop of -10 to my "cold" flow. I can't see that making much difference, and it's one less thing to cram in on the left side of the engine.
The thermostat will open between 180*-190*F (80*-88*C).
The exhaust temps are a lot higher on rotaries, so I was a little worried it wouldn't last with my initial design. This also allows me to put the wideband 18" after the turbo instead of 10", which should save me a few of those. The entire exhaust will be wrapped, except maybe the muffler, so the cat should be plenty warm.
Thanks, I'd be worried about flow, but the tight 180's work for the Porsche guys...
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
A note about your thermostat (if it's a Perma-Cool like mine), it doesn't totally close under 180*F, it's just mostly closed.
Originally Posted by PermaCool install guide
818SC chassis #206 EJ207 2.0L VF37 twin scroll || Cusco type RS 1.5 LSD || Wilwood pedal box (firewall attach) || Wilwood superlite front calipers
BUILD Phase 1: 6/6/2014 car delivered || 5/24/2015 first start || 6/7/2015 go karted || 4/20/2016 hard-top-topped || 10/25/2016 registered || 11/18/2016 inspected & complete
BUILD Phase 2: 3/8/2017 EJ207v8 || 5/29/2017 re-first re-start || 7/17/2017 re-assembled with race car bits
It is the Perma-Cool, and yeah I noticed that too. But since the rotary relies on oil for 50% of its cooling, I'm not worried that it'll be a problem. It will probably be open most of the time.
Finished mocking up my intercooler plumbing. It's tight everywhere, but not so much that I'm concerned. If the engine moves more then expected, I'll have to support the tubes in the middle somewhere.
So now I have A LOT of welding to do, between the intercooler brackets, piping, and exhaust, I have my work cut out for me. The only thing left to fab before startup is the oil cooler mounts, and all my oil lines. My goal is startup before heading to Austin, Texas for the race next week. If the weather warms up like it's supposed to be, I might even get to drive it! But first, this all needs to melt....
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Wow, I can't even imagine having that much snow this early in the year! Well, nothing better than garage time when the weather is bad!
I apologize if you mentioned this previously and I missed it, but are you planning on building a shroud for the intercooler that will completely seal it up to the side sail so 100% of the air and pressure that comes in through the side scoop will be forced through the intercooler and if so, what material do you plan on using? I am planning on doing that for my oil cooler and have not decided on material but am thinking aluminum with bulb seal. I will use a contour gauge tool to get the curves and angles right for a perfect seal. Going to be a lot of work though....
Yeah me either, it's depressing. Especially when I'm still hopeful to go kart. It's fairly common to get a cold blast for a week in October, and then warm up a little.
Aluminum and bulb seal is my plan as well. I usually make the shapes/contours/bends with cardboard and tape first so I don't have to keep trimming the aluminum. I watch a lot of Netflix in the garage, so that's also a quieter method. Hopefully Kurk doesn't give up on a carbon fibre version of his scoops, which will be crucial in forcing air through my intercooler. I really hope to prove I can keep my intake temps down on track with this setup. For the weight obsessed in our group, the intercooler weights 20lbs, all piping, silicone, and clamps add another 4lbs. That's 28lbs lighter than an A2W cooler setup including water.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Pretty sick welding skills. I can't believe you have the patients for that. I've just started tig welding. Became a grand master in tungsten grinding on the exhaust I just finished. I'm a pretty experienced Arc and mig hobby welder so I was able to pick up the torch, but it was interesting. lol. Started with the thumb switch and moved to the pedal. Pedal and back purge was key.
Keep up the good work!
I can't wait to come to Edmonton tomorrow to That snow. What dates are you gone out of town? Oh I will take an XL gas monkey t shirt as well
Last edited by Lumpyguy; 10-15-2016 at 05:13 AM.
Awesome keep us posted. If I do my ducting before you, I will be sure to share pics.
Thanks! I've been working as a welder for just over 10 years, and usually dread having to do it at home. I always enjoy fitting and tacking, but hours of welding gets old quick. I haven't worked much since spring, which is probably why I was willing to do it this way. I mostly just stick weld outside, that's where the money is, but once upon a time I used to mig and tig stainless and aluminum lots. I know very experienced welders that still go through a lot of tungsten, so don't beat yourself up about it. I always break mine in half and sharpen both ends, that way I need to stop to sharpen less often. A good hand control is very helpful in awkward positions, but the pedal is always the preferred method.
I head to Texas on Thursday, how long are you in town? Apparently this much snow this early broke a 60 year old record. 8*c next week will melt it all though.
Sometimes I think I post too much, lol, so I'm sure I will.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
I finished up my plug wires last night, and figured I'd show this little section now that it's done.
The plug wires had to be tucked in tight so they don't interfere with the intake tube. Right in front of the coils on the same bracket is the fuse and relay for the coils. On the firewall ahead of the coils is the master 70amp fuse, and next to that is the fuel pump relay and fuse. Both the pump and coils get power directly from the battery, everything else is ran through the 70amp, besides the starter which is direct to the battery.
And here is a peak at another challenge I face between now and spring....
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Oh boy, so you are gong to tackle custom fender flares too eh? I think so far, no one has really completed it though Tamra and Andrew seem furthest along. If someone made a sender of fiberglass flares that bolted on with a gasket, they could probably sell quite a few of them.
Or you could leave them as is, gives a different look! :P Last w-e I've seen a super highly lowered Jetta with tires sticking out on very low offset BBS wheels. Better have a bump stop 1in higher, otherwise byebye either fenders or tires.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
I'm going about it a little differently than they are in the back, I'll be pushing the whole rear section of the sail out rather than just a flare. Not sure what I'm doing up front. If I can find a flare that works I might go that way, or I could widen the bumper and hood a couple of inches. That would make my splitter useless though.
Ummmmm NO! lol
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Not a bad idea to widen the whole thing!
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Last edited by Canadian818; 10-19-2016 at 04:44 PM.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Lucky guy! I was born very close to there. Was on my bucket list to drive on it.
"Scotty, give me all the TRACTION she's got!" Pictures of what I drive till 818R is finished
Track Car Journal on IWSTI (with build info)
I got a chance to stop by and see this ride and I must say it's pretty sweet and I have to give him props! Nice to see things outside the box.