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    Found these on McMaster Carr. I plan to use them under the car to attach fiberglass using 1/4-20 rivnuts.

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#90015a410/=10kzmsw

    The head is about the thickness of a washer (.110") and the head diameter is .755". Seems like the way to go for fiberglass.

    Maybe add a little purple loctite for good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thall818 View Post
    Found these on McMaster Carr. I plan to use them under the car to attach fiberglass using 1/4-20 rivnuts.

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#90015a410/=10kzmsw

    The head is about the thickness of a washer (.110") and the head diameter is .755". Seems like the way to go for fiberglass.

    Maybe add a little purple loctite for good measure.
    You may want to throw a nylon washer on so the nylon is against the fiberglass
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    I am using riv nut for all panels
    I used 10-32 but would use 1/4 if I had to do it again.
    the 1/4 are easier to align when taking on and off.
    the 10/32 threads are tricky and I had to replace many of the riv nuts that loosed when taking on and off.
    I purchased a good riv nut tool and the installation is super easy
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    AKA Sidewalk bolts. Good idea, I'll take a set similar from Fastenal (McMaster doesn't sell outside USA).

    Good idea on the nylon washers, I was worried a little about the bolt directly on the fiberglass. The only downside is that the nylon washer adds thickness.
    PTFE (teflon) could also be an idea.
    Last edited by Frank818; 01-08-2016 at 12:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by insurance guy View Post
    I had to replace many of the riv nuts that loosed when taking on and off.
    This is one reason I went with Nut Plates and not riv nuts
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    I thought the nylon washer was a great idea as well. Went back to McMaster and found these:

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#90295a455/=10lgt8n

    .281" id

    .734" od

    .064 +/- thickness.

    Total height would be under 3/16"....not too bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by thall818 View Post
    I thought the nylon washer was a great idea as well. Went back to McMaster and found these:

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#90295a455/=10lgt8n

    .281" id

    .734" od

    .064 +/- thickness.

    Total height would be under 3/16"....not too bad
    yep those are the ones that I used with my 10/32 nut plates and body is solid
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    Nut plates and 10/32's are what I will be using, my nut plates just arrived from Pegasus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Nut plates and 10/32's are what I will be using, my nut plates just arrived from Pegasus.
    Nut Plates (not cheap either) require and little more work and can't be used in blind areas but with a little planning these are great and provide maximum ability to hold
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    I have said some of this before (this post on my build thread) but here's some food for thought, especially for an R.
    I have cut the sail material off that wraps underneath the frame. I have raised the sails to be flush with the frame. That's about 3/16" which you might say allows the whole chassis to be lowered by that much more, if you work off the lowest point of the car body. Raising it also gives a bit more clearance for the tires.
    I have tabs welded to each side of the frame. I bought the Speedway 60 piece tab kit. Then I just have the two rows of screw heads and nylon washers protruding below the pan/frame, by 3/16".
    I am using these McMaster-Carr .55" d. button flange socket head screws with 3/4" OD nylon washers and nylock nuts. A nylon shoulder washer might be the cat's meow.
    High-quality-of-nylon-shoulder-washer.jpg Then you won't have threads digging into the sides of the hole in the fiberglass.

    I thought about Dzus or other fancy options on the bottom and just didn't see that I'd have the need to access anything on the sides that fast. With the locknuts I don't have to overtighten anything against the fiberglass.
    Last edited by Scargo; 01-09-2016 at 01:54 PM. Reason: added pic and comment

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    I never heard of nut plates before. Just watched a video on them and installation
    That is a lot of work 2 rivets for each plate
    Three holes for each screw
    Swiss cheese
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    Quote Originally Posted by insurance guy View Post
    Swiss cheese
    I guess the commercial air liners are Swiss cheese then. Nut plates require removal of less material than riv nuts and provide more fastening than riv nuts
    Last edited by FFRSpec72; 01-08-2016 at 10:30 PM.
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    Lol
    I just ordered some
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    Can be spot-welded or tacked in place; then just one hole. Some are sold specifically for that purpose.
    Buy bare tabs, like I linked to, with hole in them. I guess I forget that most have beautiful powder-coated frames they don't want to mess up.

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    How close should the body connectors be? I'm a ways away from this step but assume it will be a good number I'm drilling
    -Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by thall818 View Post
    I thought the nylon washer was a great idea as well.

    .281" id

    .734" od

    .064 +/- thickness.
    For same ID-OD, you could get half that thickness with teflon ones. That's what I'll try.
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