Jason's 33 "Scootin' Thunder"

[3dGuy]

I finally did it. I placed my order for my very own 33. I thought id post my own build thread along with a more detailed build page here... www.scootinthunder33.com . Im looking forward to this build and hoping it goes as well as it has in my head. The design Is based in part to the b-24 liberator "scootin' Thunder" my grandfather flew in the pacific theater during ww2. I'm sure the design will change as time goes on but this will at least give a good point of reference to get things started. As my name suggests I'm a 3d artist by trade but come from a long line of engineers so hopefully the two sides get along.
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[myjones]

I finally did it. I placed my order for my very own 33. I thought id post my own build thread along with a more detailed build page here... www.scootinthunder33.com . Im looking forward to this build and hoping it goes as well as it has in my head.

Welcome to the forum
Tell us more about your build and which options you chose or deleted on your order
Dale
Hemi33

[3dGuy]

Currently im hoping the kit will be on its way in about a week. Happily surprised the kit will be together that quickly. Here's what i got:
Stage 1:
coyote/coyote aluminator s/c with Edelbrock supercharger
electric steering
side exhaust
tilt steering column
3 link
t-56 transmission
Ford 3-Link Complete Rear Axle Assembly from Moser
Wilwood brakes
t-56 (still deciding)
Some kind of wheels still up in the air what ones.

[rcotner]

Welcom and good luck! My build is similar (Aluminator XS, T-56, 3-link...)! I am really looking forward to seeing what you do. Here is the link to my thread if you are interested:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...0-Ray-s-hotrod

[3dGuy]

Thank you. where did you purchase the XS? seems like the prices very quite a bit. It looks like from your build that you have yours on the move, do you think you have enough power with the xs or want more?

[rcotner]

I bought it through a local (Portland OR) Ford Racing dealer. He was able to get me a pretty good price on the low end of the distribution. The shops name is Aldridge Motorsport and Engineering. Here is their web site:

http://www.aldridgemotorsportsinc.com/

They are a pretty well know engine and car builder around here that specializes in Ford builds. After dyno tuning and with a "conservative" tune I am making ~425 rwHP. That compares to about 375 or so rwHP on my boss 302. Frankly I am a bit afraid of that level of HP in a 2200lb car. So to answer your question I don't want any more power at this point. I might change my mind though. We'll see.

[3dGuy]

good to know, helps me to not go overboard with more power than the coyote. i was wondering how much room do you have for the seats with the t-56 trans.

[68GT500MAN]

Jason, it was a pleasure to meet with you Sunday and discuss your upcoming build. I hope that you had a safe return to San Jose and remember; if you need any photo's, measurements or questions answered fell free to contact me.
Doug

[JeffB]

Hey another Fresnan here, actually about to move to Sanger and get my order in for a 33

[3dGuy]

Will do, thank you for inviting me. Just got word that the kit should be loaded on Friday and hopefully be here sometime early next month. Unfortunately the truck that would have been on its way by now broke down and is in the shop. (steward transport)

[3dGuy]

Time to pick wheels. right now i'm looking at 17"x8"(a) or 17"x9"(b) rims 285/40/17 rear and 235/40/17 front. The hope is to maintain a more classic look similar to the b-24 bombers wheel, and a more modern option (c) thrown in as well. what design do you think works best. i do have wilwoods coming so if something seems off in the fitment please let me know. Btw how do you post a full size image and not a thumbnail.

[myjones]

Tom Veale is running wheels a lot like your option A IIRC so go take a look at his car on the forums. It will help to see them on a real car on the road and I think he has
some track pictures as well.

I like your concept and the bomber theme looks good on the 33's already done that way.
DB

[maczter]

I like "B", but in keeping with the theme, a steelie or solid wheel might fit the bill.

[3dGuy]

Thank you for pointing out Tom Veale wheels, i think they actually are the same wheels as option A. Its great seeing them in a photo. I have looked at steelie wheels and actually found these wheels that i wish i could use. Unfortunattly they are 16.5" rims and the wilwood site says the wheels must be 17". Am i wrond thinking that they wont fit in a 16.5" rim? These are Unique series 96 rims.

[maczter]

Take a look at these:

https://www.cokertire.com/wheels/hot...el-primed.html

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https://www.cokertire.com/wheels/hot...el-chrome.html

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[3dGuy]

Maczter- thanks for the links, they looks nice but wanted a few "holes" around the wheel to mimic the b-24 a bit more. Did a few quick rendering of the wheels i ended up ordering (two different Cragar wheels 16",17")
Color mock ups with the wheels. I think I'm Favoring A the newer cleaner design.
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B (original Idea)

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rear

[3dGuy]

On another note i finally got the first parts of the car in, sadly not to much to look at, just the wheel caps. Still waiting for Stewart transport to fix their trucks (2 of their now) fuel problem's. Hoping to get Stage one in another week or so.

[TigerBill]

Wow, nice software to be able to do that rendering - I guess due to your profession. I like the color scheme and the mods you have planned. I like option B on the wheels. Its a little more open. C is nice too, but doesn't fit the theme as well. I'd probably choose A on the rendering. The black part of the hood seems a little too much. Besides, then you ave to deal with the glossy black - impossible to keep swirl free and clean. I'm just finishing mine and jealous that you are just now getting started. It was great fun and learned a lot along the way.

[3dGuy]

Wow, nice software to be able to do that rendering - I guess due to your profession. I like the color scheme and the mods you have planned. I like option B on the wheels. Its a little more open. C is nice too, but doesn't fit the theme as well. I'd probably choose A on the rendering. The black part of the hood seems a little too much. Besides, then you ave to deal with the glossy black - impossible to keep swirl free and clean. I'm just finishing mine and jealous that you are just now getting started. It was great fun and learned a lot along the way.

Thank you bill, Maya come in handy. It helps alot to build the car digitally first. I feel like iv problem solved a lot of issues already. I really like the roll bars that you have in your build and planing to add the same with 1.5" bars and no the 2" ones in your build. how did you decide what was center for your placement of the hoops?

[TigerBill]

Jason, I decided on my seat placement in the vehicle and temporarily installed them. Then I centered the roll bars on the seats, so that the driver and passenger are also center on the roll bars.

[3dGuy]

Jason, I decided on my seat placement in the vehicle and temporarily installed them. Then I centered the roll bars on the seats, so that the driver and passenger are also center on the roll bars.

Makes sense, what spaceing/ measurements did you finalize on?

[TigerBill]

My roll bars were supposed to be 12" but ended up at 12.5" center line to center line and are 2" O.D. If you measure from the center line of the chasis, the centerline of the inside leg of each roll bar is 5 7/8". see Pic. If you use 1.5" bars you won't have this problem quite as bad, but its easy for the legs of the roll bars to hit the inside wall of the "waterfall" (cockpit back wall) and make the hole very elongated. If I would have realized that earlier, I would have moved the gas tank back a little to give me another 1/2 or so to move my roll bars back. There is some room to move tank without causing other problems. I also reinforced the new mounting sleeves with some angle iron welded to the frame.
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[3dGuy]

That will give me some food for thought this weekend, once i get the kit here i should be able to see for myself. In the mean time i decided instead of driving myself crazy waiting i did a better quality render and composite for the car just to figure out what works on the car and not just in my mind.

[erlihemi]

Nice! Almost looks like a 37 nose might work on it. hmmm...

[3dGuy]

Nice! Almost looks like a 37 nose might work on it. hmmm...

lol, i think your right that might be a good look for it. Very tempting . Goof thing i can do it in the computer first before dropping any cash lol. that and having cnc's, 3d printers and CAD all at my disposal is dangerous for this kind of project.

[erlihemi]

You can 3D print a scale model for final effect. Awesome! I still sketch it out on brown packing paper or drywall

[myjones]

erlihemi
re the sketch; Me too but I have stopped eating the red crayons<> you know the ones that taste the best
3D guy
love the renderings but that last one needs a rear fender or much wider tires to pull it together. Those big bumps make the butt look small.
DB

[erlihemi]

I think the small butt may be due to the wheel offset outside the fenderwell. 3D guy will have to make a solid model and upload the viewer so we can rotate it and view from infinite planes.

[3dGuy]

I think the small butt may be due to the wheel offset outside the fenderwell. 3D guy will have to make a solid model and upload the viewer so we can rotate it and view from infinite planes.

Its here! Sadly didn't have time to open anything but did get a chance to place the seats I had bought, and quickly realizing they might be to big. I can get them to fit if I place them above the trans tunnel, but would that be to high to mount them or should I return the seats (20" wide) right now they would sit lower than the seats in my mustange but I never see anyone beside those with bench seats place the seats at the height of the trans tunnel. I love the room of the seats as is so I'm hoping this setup will work.
erlihemi- I can post 3d files if it would help anyone, obj. Since I didn't have any reference for axle size I guessed rear wheel spacing.

[TigerBill]

IMO I don't think there is any way the seats would be acceptable mounted at the same level as the top of the trans tunnel. You would be way too high. No head room with the hard top and you'd be looking over the windshield in the roadster (unless you are really short like my wife). I am 6'1'' and it fits me good, but just an inch or two higher would be a problem. I can even notice the difference between the mock up with the seats sitting on the bare aluminum vs the finished car sitting on sound deadener and carpet.. Also, once you finish things off, the seats get tighter side to side. The supplied seats are very snug once I put in an arm rest and put vinyl on the back cover.

[erlihemi]

I'm not sure how we went from small butt to large seat discussions on this forum...
17" Kirkey are probably an OK fit for the car, not sure about the butt. I guess it depends on whether the padding goes on the seat or arrives with the driver. I think mine are 16" and I can just get my fingers down the outside of the seat. Must be a topic about this someplace on the forum already.

[erlihemi]

Besides that, I think the dog would look bigger in a smaller seat. He'll want to set up pretty high though so his tongue can hang out the window

[3dGuy]

quick update, Just got the roll hoops inspired by bill's build fabricated and installed with 1.5" hoops. Including cad drawing for anyone that's interested. hopping to get the chassis back from powder Friday or Monday. Rear axle is still on its way along with the wilwood brakes that were back-ordered. I sent the seats back to summit without issue and will wait a bit longer to replace them with something that fits when i'm ready.

does anyone know what the part number is for an original t-56 transmission is or if u can install the t-56 magnum (not xl) without fabrication into the ffr t-56 transmission mounts?

[jayguy]

Rollbars look great, I'm saving your drawing for reference when I build mine.


Jay

[Tom Veale]

Hi 3D, I had my steel wheels made for me at http://www.diamondracingwheels.com in Milwaukee, WI. They make a variety of standard sizes for dirt trackers and oval paved racers but will make up just about anything you want. HOwever, I don't think they build any wheels bigger than maybe 16" dia. You can get them unfinished and paint them as I did or you can order them chrome plated. 16.5" rims in steel will have more clearance than an alloy wheel of the same diameter. That's because of the thickness of the aluminum rim vs a steel rim. The 16.5" rims just might fit where a 17" alloy rim would normally go.



Mine are 15" rims all around.

Best regards, Tom

Thank you for pointing out Tom Veale wheels, i think they actually are the same wheels as option A. Its great seeing them in a photo. I have looked at steelie wheels and actually found these wheels that i wish i could use. Unfortunattly they are 16.5" rims and the wilwood site says the wheels must be 17". Am i wrond thinking that they wont fit in a 16.5" rim? These are Unique series 96 rims.

[3dGuy]

Well this has been a long month. As you can see by my lack of posting iv been busy building. So far iv been able to take a good chunk out of the build. the frame is back from powder-coat with new roll hoops. The front Control arms, spindles, brakes, shocks are in along with master cylinders, most of the 3 link, wheels, and finally last night started the install of the fire wall. I ran into a problem that i later found to be a happy accident. the rims i chose for the front didn't have the correct clearance due to the rim actually curving inward towards the center of the rim. I quickly went to the local 4x4 shop and found 1.25" spacers that fixed the problem. Due to the width of the tires on the 8" rim being now 10" the backspace offset seems like it shouldn't prematurely wear out the bearings. I'm hoping im right on that but if not please correct me, but after doing some digging the proper backspace on a 10" wheel is 6" and the original backspace for these rims were 5". I'm happy that each week since i got the frame back iv been able to fill my recycle bin completely. Progress, although the hunny do list is growing as well. One thing i noticed is the lack of the transmission tunnel, is that not included in the stage1 kit?

Chassis back

control arms in

seats/steering column in.

3-link

start of firewall install.

[rcotner]

looks wonderful!!

[68GT500MAN]

Jason, your build is looking great.
Doug

[Motor_Freak]

Post more pictures, looking good!

[6t8dart]

I'll tell you, if you really want to pay tribute to the B24 he flew, you should paint the frame and suspension a zinc-chromate yellow/green and the exterior a flat olive drab.

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