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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
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    Moved it to the other side of the engine, mounted to the diagonal bar with insert nuts. A little more hose for plumbing, but easy install and can stay in the car when pulling the engine. It's also very high up, which seams to help in keeping air our of the system
    Awesome. Thx a ton.

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    SO she is mostly back together, just left the diffuser/undertray off the engine for inspection purposes. We are not running it hard, bypassed the boost controller so we are limited to 7lbs of boost just to run it in and check for stuff in the oil. Not going to bother with tuning, just bolt checks and such during a test day at Mission Raceway.

    Cross your fingers!
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    Looking good, Jeff. I like the rain light on the back. Good luck!

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    Fingers crossed.
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    nice job guys
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    Looks just like new! Some of it is...
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    yup, my vinyl skills are becoming legendary...

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    So, took the car to the track. Was just moping around at 2500-3000 rpm but the car was handling great and everything was working fine......until oil started pouring out of the rear main, almost causing another fire!
    We did get 20+ minutes on the car, with lots of decel for ring sealing, but man, why can't oil just stay in the engine where it belongs!!!
    Fixing this week, hope to make the ridge practice next Friday, and the enduro on the Saturday, but with 2 engines, 3 transmissions and a but load of other stuff to fix on the EP cars, it could be interesting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    So, took the car to the track. Was just moping around at 2500-3000 rpm but the car was handling great and everything was working fine......until oil started pouring out of the rear main, almost causing another fire!
    We did get 20+ minutes on the car, with lots of decel for ring sealing, but man, why can't oil just stay in the engine where it belongs!!!
    Fixing this week, hope to make the ridge practice next Friday, and the enduro on the Saturday, but with 2 engines, 3 transmissions and a but load of other stuff to fix on the EP cars, it could be interesting....
    Damn 818R curse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    So, took the car to the track. Was just moping around at 2500-3000 rpm but the car was handling great and everything was working fine......until oil started pouring out of the rear main, almost causing another fire!
    We did get 20+ minutes on the car, with lots of decel for ring sealing, but man, why can't oil just stay in the engine where it belongs!!!
    Fixing this week, hope to make the ridge practice next Friday, and the enduro on the Saturday, but with 2 engines, 3 transmissions and a but load of other stuff to fix on the EP cars, it could be interesting....
    Noooo....! How does that happen on a dry sump motor? DS pump must not have been working, otherwise it would just suck air in past the rear main seal. Screw come loose on the pulley?
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    no, new motor had more blow by than we hoped it would, and we usually run a sealed block. When we first started it, we notice that the blow by exceeded the vacuum created by the ds pump and removed the vacuum pressure regulator and just vented to the ds tank. We think we may have compromised the seal then, but it doesn't matter now, we have to fix.

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    That is just not possible. There are some wicked witches around we need to hunt and hang!
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    Now Frank....we don't hang witches....we burn them at the stake.

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    Oh yeah! Right, burning witches, I remember now. Sorry, never done it yet. Let's burn them ALL!!
    Then who do we hang again?
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    Horse thieves .

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbomacncheese View Post
    So bad, lol
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    Retro,
    I see your rear main seal started leaking again.
    What do you think is causing the problem?

    I think your dry sump is set up similar to mine.
    I have my valve cover crossover tube tee'd into the top of the DS tank with a -12.
    My DS tank vent goes to a catch bottle with a -12.
    All PCV related ports are blocked off.
    Do you have any restriction in the DS tank vent.

    I have not run mine as hard as you, so I'm just looking to avoid your problems.
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    we did the vent thing first, teed the valve covers to the block vent, then omitted the oil fill in place of a dash 12 vent line to the ds tank. it leaked. so, we ran a sealed block with 12inHg of vacuum and it did not leak with the new seal in place, until we took it to the track, and it leaked really well....

    Running the vacuum on our old engine worked like a charm, something else is going on here, it's leaking just sitting there when the oil in the ds tank levels off with the block.

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    Jeff did you win the EIP Championship? I left right after Group 2 was done. I heard one of the RX-7s was spun out in the mud, but the person who told me wasn't sure if it was you or Terry. What an end to your season, one last race for the Championship in a rainstorm!

    Racing in the rain was awesome, but the Start to Turn 1 was one of the scariest 10 seconds in my career! Total blackout from the mist, 100+ mph, no idea how much space there is between you and the car in front of you, no idea where the turn is until finally, you can see the next car's brake lights. Then you pray no one has spun out and is sitting sideways in the middle of the track!

    Here's Curt trying to see out of his Corvette, who also had a fogged windshield problem. He installed a new Lexan windshield from 5 Star. He used their own cleaner / no fog, it didn't work:



    The turn on to the front straight for the Start is at about 3:10.
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    that looks pretty hairy at times!
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    It was! Did you see what happened on the warm-up lap at 1:45? They were going maybe 30 mph.....now you've just avoided that one, but you're about to go 90-100 mph behind 40 cars into turn 1 and thinking "if anybody in front of me does what that guy just did we are going to take out 1/2 the cars in this race!"

    In our conference rain lights are only required on the Open Wheel and Sports Racers, but not Producion class cars. I noticed in the video that normal tail lights don't do the job. I think I'll be adding rain lights on the front and rear of any race car that has a chance of racing in a rainstorm. I also noticed that the color of the cars didn't make a big difference, they all disapppear in the grey gloom. In my race 90% of the cars had no headlights, so the ones passing me would appear like ghosts in the gloom right next to me. A couple of times I heard them before I saw them. It wasn't until we got strung out and the tire mist effect went down that I could see them coming in my mirrors.

    Or you could just not race in the rain. But it's actually a lot of fun once you can see what's in front and behind you. It's just the first lap or two that is really freaky.
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    Kind of like skiing in a whiteout. Now were was that drop off again? You gotta hope everyone in the race knows the course like the back of their hand.

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    Yes I did win, even with only 9 finishes and one DNF, it came down to that last race, Retro takes 1-3 in the championship. Pole positions save lives....
    Terry was chasing me down in the rain, I was in Chris's car for the day (still managed a new track record morning qualify in the dry of 1:51.9 on my third lap) and had no idea what to expect in the rain. Terry got on the gas a little to early coming onto the straight and looped it, which was a real shame because we were having a great time. I was getting very creative with my "rain" line....

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    my pucker moment would have been at full fogout at the 4 minute mark.

    at like 4:06 car in front disappears in front of the dark tree line? i think it's a tree lol.
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    Jeff, which pedal cluster are you using? I think we're going to have to swap out of the stock one to get enough length in the cockpit for driver comfort for long endurance stints. Am looking at Tilton and OBP versions with the reversed M/C's but was wondering if you've hewn a path for us to follow (again)?

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    We used tilton, reverse mount, Tilton 76 Series Compact Master Cylinders. We installed all new mounts to hang them, so they are super solid and come to within .25" of the fire wall when fully depressed. We have our fuel cell in the passenger compartment, so our seat can go all the way back, but we are just a few inches forward right now.
    We thought about floor mount, but you have to have the M/C pointing at the firewall, which moves them closer to the seat and defeats the purpose.
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    We used the same pedal set, fabricated custom mounts for the pedals and steering column. I tried 2 different floor mount pedal sets, wilwood and OBP with reverse masters. Both were too cramped.
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    That's great information. Thanks guys.

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    Jeff see my last post here: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...-Thread/page23 You've got three RX-7s on the team, you need another 818R!
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    damn you! You have me thinking..........
    Someone needs to buy an RX7 from me.

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    Since your three Rx-7s dominate your class I don't think you'll have any problem selling one!
    How much do you want for one?
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    Mine is 20k usd. it's a full choromoly cage, never hit or bent, one new uber light 12a engine, one almost their, 3 sets of wheels, 4.5" clutch, 4lb flywheel, $1k shifter that is un-fing-real, Emco gear box, IQ3 dash with GPS timing and track mapping, wilwood pedal set with balance bar, custom air box, equal length stainless header, that ends at the rear diff, Koni double adjustable's front and rear, coil overs, aluminum front hubs, FIA seat, FIA Omp endurance belts this year, helmet blower, Real carbon fiber switch panel, all new wiring and switches last year, direct fire MSD, dual boxes, OMP steering wheel with F1 style quick release, so in otherwords, about $70k worth of car.

    Damn, I hate adding this stuff up......

    Good luck bidding the 818!!!

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    So, primary engine is Fu@$ed. Oil in the water, copper dust in the oil, steam our of my ears. Bought and are installing a Ver5 engine with 50k miles on it to run the enduro. Changing the cam seals, timing belt, oil and water pumps as service items. I will have the shop turn it down a touch to maybe 270hp at the rear wheels, but bringing a spare car just in case.

    WHat sucks is, neither of these issues are the reason we pulled it! It just had a leak at the rear seal! Well, I guess it was good we found the issues this way, rather than on track.....

    Will update our dyno session when we get it there later this week.

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    Ugh. Wasn't this one rebuilt before it went in? No?

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    Yes, new engine.....
    Builder is taking it back to fix it, we have a second engine being built as well. Slitting my wrists soon. I thought rotary's were a pain!

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    Are you swapping out the turbo too? If not I'd certainly give it a close inspection.

    I don't remember if you still have the OEM oil cooler - heater, or if there's one on the "new" engine, but if you do I would replace it.
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    I think I would of gone Ecoboost at this point. Yeah a little more work, but the Subaru motor is just having issues in the 818R chassis it seams.
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    Yes, we are installing a new oil cooler (even though the old one was after the filter) and the turbo. We want to beat the Ferrari ........

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    andare pił veloce !
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