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    Byron's HR Build #890

    First things first, thank you everyone on this forum and FFR's for all your wisdom, knowledge, passion and love for cars. With out these forums and the people that take their time to post I would not have felt comfortable building this machine. That being said I hope and encourage all to question everything that I am doing, and express their opinion freely so that I can build the best Hot Rod possible. I received the complete kit on March 6th, Stewart shipping was nothing but professional and prompt. Jim from stewart Helped unload and was very friendly. Here is the plan for the car (as of now).

    -Ac/Heat
    - e-power steering
    -IRS
    -Wilwood front and rear
    - Hard top, No fenders
    - Coyote crate w/2.9 whipple
    - T-56 Mag
    - Infinity wiring??(still debating)
    - Boyd tank with A-1000 in tank pump

    As of now I have the chassis powder coated, the IRS center section and the pedal assembly bolted in. It seems there is one key piece missing (backordered) from each part of the install so Im kinda winging it everyday. Next I need to figure out front and rear suspension arms as far as coating or plating them, Im thinking I like the brushed/antique nickel plating..... Then I need to get the body back on and set the firewall and find center. Even after reading "Dangerous Curves Ahead" Im still unsure the best way to find center but I'm sure I will work it out. Lastly can someone explain how to post the big pictures instead of the links? Thanks again everyone, Im excited to start this journey.

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    Welcome

    Byron,
    welcome to the fun & sometime frustration but mostly fun. Congratulations, sounds like you are building a high performance Hot Rod.
    Where are you from?
    I only know how to post the thumbnails but they do get bigger when you click on them, and that's by clicking on the go advanced button in the lower right, then click on the manage attachments button, here is an example:

    Nevin
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    Nevin, AKA H. R. Lucky
    33 Hot Rod sn 524 build started 3/18/2013, First Start-5/09/2015, Go Cart-6/01/2015
    5.0 Coyote engine, 9in. Ford rear, 4 Link, Wilwood 12in. front brakes
    AC, power steering, FFR 17/18in. Hot Rod wheels

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    Nevin, I live in Los Angeles but I am originally from Utah.

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    Been working here and there. I have decided to drill and tap all the sheet metal in the floors and trunk area, this takes a little longer but I am in no hurry. I also decided to paint the front and rear suspension parts my self. I originally wanted to get them all plated with brushed nickel finish. After prepping the front arms for platting I realized how much I liked the bare metal look. I did some research and found that almost everyone says the metal will eventually rust underneath the clear coat. I decided I would try it anyway, if it does rust in the future then off they will go to a plater. First I cleaned each piece thoroughly, then to get the look I wanted I used a wire brush. After cleaning them again I put down three coats of adhesion enhancer followed by three coats of clear. I think they turned out awesome.

    The rear end has been trying for a few different reasons,
    First is every place the suspension arms mount I had to open up, which I have heard people had to do on the front end as well, secondly the holes would not line up. It just seems like every piece has fought me in this area. Then the fun part of realizing that I am missing bolts. So now I am waiting on the bolts to arrive before I can button it up. It is very exciting to stand back and look at the progress though and it ends up all being worth it. I can't wait to see its stance.

    Working on installing the fuel tank next. floor.jpgfront suspension.jpgfrontsuspension.jpgrear suspension.jpgRearsuspension.jpg
    Last edited by BigB; 05-16-2016 at 08:54 PM.

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    Byron, a quick tip,

    Keep your images below 1900X1900 and you will be able to view them inline instead of attaching them and only getting a link. More info here:

    http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...tures-in-posts

    That post centers on using the pic galley as part of theis site but if you use a 3rd party site like photobucket you can still use [IMG] tags to embed your images...


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    [QUOTE=BigB;231964 Im still unsure the best way to find center but I'm sure I will work it out..[/QUOTE]
    Byron
    I used the front and back wall tubing on the passenger compartment to establish chassis center. Measure across the firewall framing on the 1.5" tube that goes all the way across and mark center all the way around with a T square. There is a similar tube at the back of the passenger compartment so do the same there. With the chassis on jack stands and level F-B and S-S, I then used a laser setting on a 6' tall ladder out in front of the chassis and lined it up on those two center lines. That laser line hit the X center of the floor was right on the X under the engine and was within an 1/8" of center of the front tubes at the very front of the chassis. The part that extends behind the passenger compartment is off about 5/16" even though that's a fairly short clip so mark the true chassis center back there so your 8.8 gets lined up with the chassis not that wonky rear clip. I suggest drilling a small hole in both of those locations if you haven't already painted the chassis so you can always come back to it easily. I have also put the laser at different heights in front and behind and marked CL on all sides of the tubes it crosses. The lines will be great for the engine, tranny, rearend, firewall and grille shell but it is almost useless on the fiberglass body parts because most of them are not symmetrical enough to measure anything. The trunk opening is not centered on the glass body, the front of the door openings is very different in height and the rear wheel is not centered in the rear fender regardless of which rearend you use although the IRS is .5" closer than the 3&4 links are. I also found that a 3/16" full length shim on the passenger side tube you climb over to get in helped to level the cowl on mine and since I'm using running boards you don't see the chassis below the body from that adjustment. Aligning most of the body is just about making it look right when all the pieces are in place.
    HTH
    Dale 7L Hemi33

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    Byron welcome to the madness. Your project will be all consuming. I can speak from experience that it was one of the best projects I have done. It is everything Dave Smith says it is the car handles like it is on rails. Good luck don't get frustrated and just enjoy the ride. Use the forum we are hear to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB View Post
    Nevin, I live in Los Angeles but I am originally from Utah.
    Byron, I am in Los Angeles too, so if you need any help, just let me know!

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    So it has been awhile since I posted. I have not made much progress but, I am hoping to get things going again. I rough mounted the grill, radiator and fan shroud. I am still thinking about where to put the Overflow tank... I might go with a different stye tank and mount it somewhere else. The one that comes with the kit seems like its such a tight fit.
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    Rear suspension is all mocked up.
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    Mocked up AC/Heat unit.
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    Made a buck for body. I am seriously considering doing the body work and paint. I have zero experience with either one but when I set out on this project I wanted the experience of learning new things and broadening my range of skills. With that being said I have been doing many hours of research on tools and products needed along with the how to articles and videos. I am only planning on hard top with NO fenders, hood or sides. IMG_0665.JPG

    Lastly, I have boxes of goodies just sitting around waiting for a good home. Waiting on engine now, which is on back order and they dont have a date for me...... not thrilled about that. Was thinking of getting a refund and going another route.. Also waiting on the infinity box. Its been five weeks since I placed the order. Has it been peoples experience to wait that long on the Infinity/Isis system??
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    Backorders do get frustrating. I'm going on 10 months for a custom crank (Frankencrank) for another project. Nice shot of the IRS. Looks great! I wish that option was available when I ordered mine. I put a larger overflow on the passenger side back by the firewall under the tubes. I'll see if I have a picture someplace. The FFR version didn't have enough volume for the Heads and I change the whole front anyway. Good Idea to do all your body work while waiting on other parts.
    Keep the pics coming!

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    Byron,
    Not sure how I missed your build thread before this? I am (finally) retired and starting to build a '33 out in Simi Valley. I don't know what part of LA you're in, but feel free to reach out if you need help or just an extra set of hands.
    Keith

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    Thats great, and very nice of you to offer your help. Thanks.

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    Byron,
    Here's a shot of where I put the larger overflow. Same style, just larger. Probably a Speedway item.
    IMG_20170608_204140_463 (640x413).jpg

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    Coyote arrived, put it in and mocked up Brake Reservoirs, Fuel Reg and Aircon. Installed McLeod RXT, Aluminium Fly, Quick Time Bell, Tilton TOB and T56.

    IMG_0858.jpgIMG_0853.jpgIMG_0848.jpgIMG_0840.JPGIMG_0834.JPGIMG_0832.JPGIMG_0791.JPG

    This week the Whip should arrive. I also need to get Drive Shaft shortend about an inch and a half. Once that happenes I can start working toward getting it running.
    Here is a list of challenges I ran into the last couple weeks...
    - Was sent the wrong engine mounts, needed to get exchanged
    - When intalling McLeod Rxt a bolt on spacer plate stripped out, McLeod replaced with no arguments. Great customer service.
    - Spent a whole day getting Trans mated to engine, The snout of T56 did not go into pilot bearing...... Got a great workout though.
    - I ordered the wrong part number for tilton TOB so had to wait for turn around time on that, Summit is fantastic to work with.

    Yesterday I was mocking up the A/C compressor on the engine and it will not fit becuase of A arm, is the solution to hack off the boss on the compressor? or is there another solution?
    As always if you guys have comments or suggestions to anything I am always open for them.

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    good looking build so far;
    The brake reservoirs look great but they look like they will interfere with the hood latch pins.
    Are you changing that or leaving the hood off ?
    Dale

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    BigB, yes you have to cut the mounting boss, its detailed in the A/C instructions.
    CVOBill

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    MK1 #???? Delivered 11/2002, Finished and Titled 6/2003
    5.0, T-5, 4-Link, Sold 3/2005

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    Hmm, I must have overlooked that part in the instructions. Hacked it off yesterday though and it fits like a charm. Now I am trying to figure out a way to run the lines that will not only be aesthetically pleasing but functional. With no sides or hood to hide things is tough. Everything, to me, should not go outside the frame in order to not look like shoddy work. If anyone has some inspiration photos of the way they routed their lines please feel free to share or direct me.

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    From my buildIMG_7600.JPGIMG_7599.JPG
    But will have full fenders & hood.

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    Tom, I see you have two Low side ports(blue), is there a reason for that? I think I will try to go down and under the engine mount as you did.

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    CVOBill

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    MK1 #???? Delivered 11/2002, Finished and Titled 6/2003
    5.0, T-5, 4-Link, Sold 3/2005

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    BigB- I had to get some more parts to to make fit and did not think i could use the one in front. But remember that i have changed a lot of things so things fit different.

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    Tom,
    Saying that you have changed a lot of things is no understatement. I have, and still do follow your build. Thanks for blogging your build, it has been fun to watch.

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    IMG_0956.jpgIMG_0954.jpgIMG_0953.jpgGot the supercharger and valve covers on this weekend. Before that I mocked up the E-Stopp system and tested it out, works great. Also hooked the electric steer to power to see how much of a difference it makes, and it does. This week will be finishing hoses and odds and ends, on the whip, then figuring out how to mount and route the alternator. Still waiting on Infinity box to show up before I start wiring. Here are some glamor shots of all the shininess

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    Dam that looks good! What power are you looking for?

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    Nice packaging on that Whipple. You should be able to see where your right front corner is headed anyway. Leave room for lots of rubber on the rear!

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    I have always loved the wow factor on my dads 72 Pinto growing up, everyone would just stare at the motor for minutes on end. I guess I am trying to recreate that a little. Like they say the apple does not fall far from the tree.
    Tom, from all the literature I read on these s/c crate engines and the Whipple supercharger combo, I gather the crate engine is good to about 1000 crank HP. The Whipple can get it there, but will probably need the help of race fuel or good ole American corn. But I am guessing with a good conservative tune for the street it will make around 700HP to the tire.
    Speaking of tires, yes there will be some nice size rubber in the rear. Not this much IMG_0524.JPG but close...

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    A big horsepower build -- I like it. Wait until you get around to the headers. The only way to get an adequate size exhaust on that beast is to exit out the side of the engine bay. That's a real shortcoming of the hot rod design.

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    IMG_0981.jpgIMG_0980.jpgIMG_0979.jpgWell I found a spot for the Alternator, made up some mounts. I will be refining the mounts during final assembly. This car always amazes me in how much stuff you can crame into tight spaces. Next up is the hoses and wiring. Should be recieving all my chassis wiring by the end of the week. Can not wait to hear this thing come alive.

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    In your post #15 there is a plate that bolts on the top of the engine, did you make this or did you purchase it from somewhere? We are battling on how to pickup the engine and when I saw this its a nice clean solution. TY!

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    I believe i got it from one of the mustang shops, LMR, CJ pony or American Muscle. It was not cheap but if you take the engine in and out several times its worth it.

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    IMG_0982.jpgIMG_0984.jpgIMG_0985.jpgIMG_0993.jpgIMG_0999.jpgFinished all the hoses for heater and A/C. Still Need to make mounting clips for hoses and then crimp them put basic layout is done.

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    AJT 33, here is link.
    https://lmr.com/item/LRS-50LP/motion...ine-lift-plate

    You can also find it on ebay and some other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb View Post
    ajt 33, here is link.
    https://lmr.com/item/lrs-50lp/motion...ine-lift-plate

    you can also find it on ebay and some other places.
    much appreciated!!

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