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    bumpsteer kit

    Is there a part number for the baer bumpsteer kit everyone seems to be using?

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    baer 3851001 from summit $175

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    thanks bob, I take I the taper for the rod end matches the spindle?

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    You can also do what Rasmus and I did (among others I'm sure) and make your own

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    I see on Bob and Cincy's pic. that the blue bolt on strut mount tabs (on lca) seem to be mounted opposite direction to others. Which is correct?

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    Will this work for a '06 WRX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoretta View Post
    I see on Bob and Cincy's pic. that the blue bolt on strut mount tabs (on lca) seem to be mounted opposite direction to others. Which is correct?
    Hi Tmoretta,
    Most pictures in the manual have the lower shock mount bracket the opposite as mine.
    The manual also has a cad picture showing it the other way.
    During my build, I always gave priority to the engineering cad drawings.
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    Here are the parts I sourced out to get a bump steer kit that would work, height wise and ajustable (LH and RH Threads), it is chaper by a small margin over the Baer and other kits (and no spindle modification required)

    http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjust...=91636055PINTO
    http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search...+Inch+x+1+Inch
    http://www.racecraft.com/index.php?m...21083&x=21&y=8
    http://steinjager.com/shop/index.php...earch=J0041201
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    Update on the bump steer and spindle adapters, both are installed, I did take the rod end studs to a machine shop to mill off a slight amount as the angle/taper was not exact, but it will work, I just wanted to be 100% sure I don't have issues on the track. Also I used the 5.5" sleeves and the 3.5" may be better, so I updated the links to the 3.5. With the new spindle adapters the tire is real close to rubbing on upper balljoint so may back off little on the angle of the spindle adapter or add a 5mm wheel spacer

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    You had to cut the OEM rod ends?
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    Looks good Tony. I'll be bookmarking this thread for when I get on the road with my S. Then I'll make the adjustments after driving for a bit.
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    Looks great, Tony. Pretty much exactly what I did on my R
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    You had to cut the OEM rod ends?
    No I did not, so the steering ends are stock and the rod ends are just what you select
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    Is there a consensus that a bumpsteer kit is required on both S/C and R? Some people may not care if it bump steers, my question is not subjective here but factual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Is there a consensus that a bumpsteer kit is required on both S/C and R? Some people may not care if it bump steers, my question is not subjective here but factual.
    100% required on R
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    Agree I believe it would be a benefit on the S, must on the R

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    I am currently looking at buying these parts.

    Tony did you choose the GM or Pinto taper jam nuts on the rod end adapter stud?
    You got the extra long 2.625" rod ends from Heims, is it cuz there's no safe way to use the much cheaper standard 1.625" long ends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    I am currently looking at buying these parts.

    Tony did you choose the GM or Pinto taper jam nuts on the rod end adapter stud?
    You got the extra long 2.625" rod ends from Heims, is it cuz there's no safe way to use the much cheaper standard 1.625" long ends?
    I used the Pinto, not a 100% fit but close enough, for street usage, but I had them turned just a tad at a machine shop for a 100% fit, I think if you use the shorter rod ends you will be fine as you can see from the pic that that 5.5" sleeve takes up most of the threads, so a 3.5" sleeve and a short rod end will be fine
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    Thanks so much man! I'm looking at sourcing now, as I got quoted 53 bucks for shipping of 2 rod ends at Steinjager... Damn Canada...

    I wonder if that kit is sufficient for an S.
    Jeff had 46-47mm spacers (1-7/8"), it seems you can do 50mm, yeah that'd be fine. Although Mitch went as down as 63mm. Still searching to understand how this works...
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    Maybe we should order them together Frank? Couldn't cost much to ship them from Quebec to Alberta after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Thanks so much man! I'm looking at sourcing now, as I got quoted 53 bucks for shipping of 2 rod ends at Steinjager... Damn Canada...

    I wonder if that kit is sufficient for an S.
    Jeff had 46-47mm spacers (1-7/8"), it seems you can do 50mm, yeah that'd be fine. Although Mitch went as down as 63mm. Still searching to understand how this works...
    Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stp9kHAGfXQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    Maybe we should order them together Frank? Couldn't cost much to ship them from Quebec to Alberta after.
    Excellent idea but in the meantime Tony explained that 2.625" long rods aren't required. The standard 1.6" or so are sufficient. Those can be had from ebay for 17 bucks a pair of shipping to Canada. However I am trying to have a quote on the RaceCraft sleeves. Also found out they sell it in ON, we'll see which ones is best and the benefits of doubling the order. Will keep ya posted in PM on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Excellent idea but in the meantime Tony explained that 2.625" long rods aren't required. The standard 1.6" or so are sufficient. Those can be had from ebay for 17 bucks a pair of shipping to Canada. However I am trying to have a quote on the RaceCraft sleeves. Also found out they sell it in ON, we'll see which ones is best and the benefits of doubling the order. Will keep ya posted in PM on that.
    This is one of those critical areas where you don't want to use the cheap/chinese version of rod ends. If you're certain of the quality then by all means - Ebay away.

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    I agree!!

    You tell me but those look like USA made with pride: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Ste...lXhD0x&vxp=mtr
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    The longer sleeves will also help those of us whose rack isn't centred, so that a rack extension can be eliminated.
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    Looks like this bumpsteer thread is almost a year old. How is the Baer bumpsteer kit working on a S ride height of 4.5" -5"?? Are the tapered studs long enough?

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    I bought the baer bumpsteer kit and it made a huge difference in my car but It still needs a bit more. It drives pretty good on my S model with 4.5" of ground clearance. I will leave it for now as its not bad for me. but I am not picky.

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    I'm at 4.5" of clearance and I found with my bump-steer gauge that about 46mm in shim height was the perfect amount. The Baer tapered studs don't get you there. I'm sure the studs will help, but they won't get it ideal. I used all parts of the kit except the taper stud. I used a big bolt instead, and bought some aftermarket shims to get me to 46mm.

    What's really needed to get it right are tie-rod extenders. About 2.5" per side. But the bump steer kit alone makes an enormous difference.

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    will this bolt in and work?
    http://www.racecraft.com/index.php?m...9d29e0f396ca47
    I'm having some wondering/tramlining/bump steer with my 818s and I'm trying to sort it out. Rear track bars are parallel. Alignment is -.5 camber,5 caster, .03 toe in front. -.5 camber and .10 toe in back. Ride height is 4.5. Would adding a bump steer kit help?

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    A bump steer kit would help but the pinto taper is not correct. It's close, but not close enough.

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    The baer kit 3851001 is listed for 02-05 WRX. I have 06 aluminum LCA. Is there a kit that will fit these?

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    I'm not at a place where I can check my hotmail account to see if I ordered that exact part number or not but I'm 95% certain that's the one that fits them all. The LCA doesn't factor into it. It's between the tie-rod and the spindle. So it should work fine.

    To get enough shim, you'll need to order more shims online and use a big bolt (5/8" I think) - I should have pics in my build thread and C.PLavan documented the whole process as well, with pics. Just note that you won't need/want the same number of shims he did unless you are at the R ride height. If you are at the S height, you'll want about 46mm of shims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgf05354 View Post
    The baer kit 3851001 is listed for 02-05 WRX. I have 06 aluminum LCA. Is there a kit that will fit these?
    Yes it fits. I have that exact setup.

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