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  1. #121
    exciting news about the motor and tranny! When do you expect them?
    Pictures look great on the wall.
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  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by wareaglescott View Post
    exciting news about the motor and tranny! When do you expect them?
    Pictures look great on the wall.
    Thanks!

    Trans is due in today.
    Motor in about a week (had to delay delivery as I am out of town for a bit)
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    Delivery: 1/30/17 First Start: 7/23/17 Legal: 10/5/17
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  3. #123
    I added the 3/4in spacer to the transmission mount. Chose to add them between the energy suspension mount and the supplied steel plate.
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  4. #124
    Week 16 & 17
    I missed my weekly post last Monday as I was out of the country (FYI: Seoul is a pretty cool place).
    Several parts came in from Mike Forte: transmission, bellhousing, clutch, speedo plug, air filter
    And Mike Everson: under dash panel, RT turn signal bezel, radiator panel, seat belt trim plates and windshield trim plates
    Engine should be arriving this week from Ford.

    I completed a lot of my dash wiring: all gauges, seat heaters, USB plugs, courtesy lights (footwell and trunk). I also attached the under dash panel. I still need to wire up the RT turn signal, but that's it until the coyote control pack arrives.
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  5. #125
    18 weeks in.
    I rewired my dash in an attempt to make it cleaner/more compact. I at least succeeded in making it more compact


    I also replaced the fuel filter I had previously installed with a combo fuel filter/pressure regulator as discussed in this thread http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...gulator-Coyote

    Other than that, I just cleaned up the garage in prep for engine delivery (today!).
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  6. #126
    Coyote delivery day!!

    It is hard to resist tearing off that plastic, but I'm going to focus on the wiring first.

    And the control pack




    dont think i'll need these
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  7. #127
    For those in the future who are limited on space as I am, the pallet that the coyote is shipped in measures in at just a hair under 36"x36"
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  8. #128
    I am doing some wiring prior to dropping in the coyote and have come to the battery ground. I have the breeze front battery tray, so the ground will be in the engine bay.
    I had a lot of trouble trying to tap into the round cross member and so I don't trust my ability to get a good ground that way. Any issue with drilling a hole through the spot marked below and then attaching the ground cable with a bolt and nut?
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    No problem with that location. FWIW, with a front mount battery I attach the ground cable to the front surface of the passenger side engine mount pedestal. Wherever you go just be sure to remove the chassis powder coating so that you have a good metal to metal contact.

    Jeff

  10. #130
    My alternator is in back order. Ford said it should be in by the end of the month.
    Should I be patient and wait for it before installing my engine (coyote) or should I go ahead and add it once it arrives and make my life easier?
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    You can install the alternator easily after the Coyote is installed. Drop that baby in!
    -Steve
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Straversi View Post
    You can install the alternator easily after the Coyote is installed. Drop that baby in!
    -Steve
    I've found not much is "easy" ��
    But thanks, I'll plow ahead. Should get the rest of the engine/trans ready this weekend.
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  13. #133
    19 weeks in.
    I worked mostly on wiring from the coyote control pack - following edwardb's wiring plan, with the exception of no master shut off.
    Coyote pigtail is wired in, PCB is mounted and main power and ground lines are run (but not yet connected to the battery terminals).
    I also wrapped up the Russ Thompson turn signal wiring.
    Next up is prepping the engine and trans to drop in!

    One funny realization this week is how much more comfortable I have become in solving problems throughout this process. Or that it was a big deal, but with the premium dash , the steering wheel hole is an oval. That left the screw in the top part of RT bezel (from Mike Everson) with nothing to hold in to. I just grabbed some spare aluminum and made a little plat to sandwich the dash. It's great that this process gets you thinking like that.
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  14. #134
    I'm trying to remove the dowel pins from the flywheel in order to replace them with the smaller ones to fit the pressure plate, but I can't get them to budge (using a punch and a hammer). Any tricks?
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  15. #135
    I got them out using a bigger hammer (4lb engineering hammer)
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  16. #136
    FYI, I've found that a 3/8 coupling nut works great to remove bother the water temp plug and the oil filter nipple in the coyote.
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  17. #137
    20 weeks in
    Some exciting progress as I started work on the engine.

    I started with adding the engine accessories- luckily my back ordered alternator arrived so no worries about installing it after the engine is in. It was missing the nut that goes on the stud you install, so I grabbed on from Home Depot (m10 1.5).

    My brother in law let me borrow an engine hoist so I was able to get it off the crate and drained the oil. I had a difficult time getting it level, but avoided making too much of a mess.

    After that, I removed the stock oil pan and pickup (deep socket 10mm made getting out that last bolt on the pickup much easier). I ran into an issue as my replacement oil pan had some interference with some alignment tabs on the gasket/windage tray. When I ordered everything from Mike Forte, he was out of stock on the Moroso pan so I got a canton instead. Not sure if it's a canton specific issue or if the tabs are new on the coyote (I checked with EdwardB and WarEagleScott and neither remembered an issue). Anyway, after consulting Forte, Canton and for my own sanity, EdwardB, I trimmed the tabs off with a pair of snips (they were plastic, so cut easily). Then I got the new pan on and all bolted up.


    I hope to get the trans mated this week and then into the car over the weekend!

    My beautiful assistant and bride to-be
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    Looking good!

    After I installed my Coyote and eventually added fluids I discovered a small oil leak. Turned out to be nothing more than the side oil plug was loose. However, I was very nervousness about my gasket, proper torque, warped pan, etc.

    It is very difficult to wok on the pan once the engine is installed, at least for those of us without lifts.

    For peace of mind, add a few quarts of oil back into the motor now and let it sit. If you have any problems better to discover them on the engine stand or hoist.
    -Steve
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  19. #139
    Second Steve's tip. I also discovered a small oil leak from my side plug. Came out the morning after I filled it and found quite a mess on the garage floor. Ended up having to drain and redo that plug.
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  20. #140
    Thanks for the tip guys - the plug is on order, so i'll add oil as soon as i install it.

    As I prep the transmission, I have a question on the Forte hydraulic clutch.
    I've read about needing to cut the push rod - what am I trying to accomplish by cutting it down? And how do I know when it is the right length?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    Thanks for the tip guys - the plug is on order, so i'll add oil as soon as i install it.

    As I prep the transmission, I have a question on the Forte hydraulic clutch.
    I've read about needing to cut the push rod - what am I trying to accomplish by cutting it down? And how do I know when it is the right length?
    It won't fit without cutting. That's your first clue. Sorry...

    Get everything assembled and mounted and I think you'll find it's pretty straightforward. Get the clutch arm installed with the pivot in the bell housing at the right location, throwout bearing installed, etc. and confirm the clutch arm is just past perpendicular to the driveline (toward the back) with the TOB touching the clutch fingers. Install the supplied pushrod pivot on the end of the clutch arm. Then get the slave cylinder mounted. Confirm the slave piston is all the way in (should be since it's spring loaded), put the bushing on the end of the pushrod and the heim joint on the other. Cut the pushrod until it will fit into the resulting space with just a slight amount of remaining play in the clutch arm. There is some adjustment with the threaded heim joint. Hope that helps and makes sense.
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  22. #142
    Do the bolts for the engine mount get a specific torque and/or thread locker?
    I've done some searching, but couldn't find an answer.
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  23. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    Do the bolts for the engine mount get a specific torque and/or thread locker?
    I've done some searching, but couldn't find an answer.
    Ducky was kind enough to send me this, so I thought I post it on the forum in case others needed it
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  24. #144
    Joel that torque chart looks very useful. Thanks for posting. Is there a way to just copy and paste the text only so I could add it to a document I have for maintaining the car?
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  25. #145
    Torque specs. NOTE: Ford uses a lot of torque specs, PLUS an extra degree turn after achieving the given torque.
    https://lmr.com/products/mustang-50-...r-torque-specs
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  26. #146
    21 weeks
    I never thought I would be posting this after just 5 months, but today, the engine went in!


    Prior to the engine install, I filled it back up with oil and had to tighten a few of the plugs, but no major oil leaks to note.
    I then got the bell housing mounted and transmission installed.


    Then I got Forte's hydraulic clutch all mounted. I did have to take out the trans and bell housing as I realized I had installed the piece on the clutch fork upside down. I also cut off a good bit of the push rod.


    Then it was on to the engine install. It's quite intimidating for a first timer.


    But overall, it was not as difficult as I feared. It took us about an hour with lots of lift/adjust/lower/repeat. But it's in and it feels great! As many others have noted, almost no clearance on the driver side footbox.

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    Congratulations!

    The dog looks proud of his hard work.
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  28. #148
    Awesome! I am excited for you.

    James

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    Nice work. Dog looks pretty amazed that it fit.
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    Looking good! Congrats. Feels good to get that big Coyote where it belongs.

    One question/observation. Maybe you have it and just haven't installed yet. But there's a cover you need for the hole on the left side, below the exhaust headers, behind the motor mount. It's called a flywheel access hole plug, Ford part number F3LY-6C070-A. Pretty cheap (< $10) plastic part that snaps into that hole. Listed in the FF Coyote instructions. I noticed in one of your pictures that the cover isn't there, so thought I would mention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    Looking good! Congrats. Feels good to get that big Coyote where it belongs.

    One question/observation. Maybe you have it and just haven't installed yet. But there's a cover you need for the hole on the left side, below the exhaust headers, behind the motor mount. It's called a flywheel access hole plug, Ford part number F3LY-6C070-A. Pretty cheap (< $10) plastic part that snaps into that hole. Listed in the FF Coyote instructions. I noticed in one of your pictures that the cover isn't there, so thought I would mention.
    Thanks Paul - I did not notice that in the parts list, and I don't think its actually noted in the instructions, so I would have missed that!

    Also, any specific torque for the motor mount to frame bolts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    Also, any specific torque for the motor mount to frame bolts?
    Probably is a torque spec somewhere. I haven't tried to find one though. It's a big locking nut, plus not necessarily easy to get a torque wrench into. I use a long 1/2-inch breaker bar and give it a good tug.
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  33. #153
    Congrats Joel, looks great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    Thanks Paul - I did not notice that in the parts list, and I don't think its actually noted in the instructions, so I would have missed that!

    Also, any specific torque for the motor mount to frame bolts?
    Oops, I missed that one too. Thanks gang.
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  35. #155
    These header bolts are no joke.
    I got 7 of the 8 in on the passenger side and 6 in on the driver. The ones I have left I cant even get started by hand.
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  36. #156
    If you are using Gas ' n headers, you might need to drill out the holes to make them line up with the bolt holes on the head. This is a known issue... and be prepared to spend time doing it...

  37. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by awd-turbo View Post
    If you are using Gas ' n headers, you might need to drill out the holes to make them line up with the bolt holes on the head. This is a known issue... and be prepared to spend time doing it...
    I'm using the FFR supplied headers for the Coyote - they appear to be BBKs
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  38. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    I'm using the FFR supplied headers for the Coyote - they appear to be BBKs
    I installed most from the underside. I slid in from the drivers side and was looking up at the starter to let my hands/arms bend naturally, to reach the drivers side hard to get bolts.
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  39. #159
    I have 2 bolts (top right on driver sides, bottom second from front on passenger side) that I can't get in. The driver side on I have plenty of room for my hand, the threads just won't catch.
    I was thinking that maybe an earlier attempt cross threaded it - my only idea is to try to re tap the first few threads. Is that stupid? Any other ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdav View Post
    I have 2 bolts (top right on driver sides, bottom second from front on passenger side) that I can't get in. The driver side on I have plenty of room for my hand, the threads just won't catch.
    I was thinking that maybe an earlier attempt cross threaded it - my only idea is to try to re tap the first few threads. Is that stupid? Any other ideas?
    Did you tighten any of the bolts? Loosen then just a little bit. The top back bolt on the drivers side... I had to hold the header up a little to get the bolt in. Reached it from the top, from the back of the engine. Passenger side, I can reach the second bolt, no problem. Again, loosen the bolts. Remember, these are metric threads if you tap them.
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