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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    About 115 hp more than my R I bet it is fast.
    About 95 more than I have also.
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    Great job Wayne!! Can't wait to see it at VIR in person
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Awesome!!! Did you use tire temp gauges or something? Was there much lag with that front-mount A2A intercooler?
    I kept the motor above 4000 rpm so the lag wasn't really noticeable. The A2A intercooler worked decent but the manifold air temps still would reach 149° F at the end of the straight on an 82° F

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    Is there a sway bar on this car?
    No sway bar, the spring rates have the body roll under control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    About 115 hp more than my R I bet it is fast.
    I was going 154 mph at the end of the straight and was still accelerating.

    Quote Originally Posted by johngeorge View Post
    Great job Wayne!! Can't wait to see it at VIR in person
    It really looks great

    Overall driving impression is car is just a touch loose in slower corners and neutral to just a touch tight in the high speed stuff. You come onto the front straight at about 104 mph and I peaked at 154 mph. It pulled 1.6 G right and 1.5 G left. I pulled the short windscreen and got rid of the buffeting. I need to add .25° of negative camber in the left rear for clockwise tracks.

    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    About 95 more than I have also.
    It really accelerates out of the corners very well

    Oil temp peaked at 270° F
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post
    Great pics and short but sweet report!

    You must have 20' ramps to get it on /off the trailer!


    Goes right in
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    You sure do make it look easy! Very smooth. Way to go.

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    Smooth!
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    Sweet!

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    Sounds great. I wish my brakes were that quiet.

    What caused the wobble at 4:23 that sent the right tire into the sand and the spin? Was it too much power at the corner exit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post
    Sounds great. I wish my brakes were that quiet.

    What caused the wobble at 4:23 that sent the right tire into the sand and the spin? Was it too much power at the corner exit?
    too much right foot on corner exit and when it came back off boost it spun. The car needed slightly different throttle reduction and less counter steer. The 3 year old slicks really didn't help me out either. I learned the car really lazy spins, I had the track to myself so wasn't concerned with having to really trying to catch it. It was my 7 lap in the car since building it.
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    so cool!
    FFR 1879, Blown DSS 306,REDLINE management, VeryCoolParts Tuned 460RWHP

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    OK, no arm restraints, bad bad bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    OK, no arm restraints, bad bad bad
    I know, I know...I drive closed/netted cars so much I forgot to bring them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    Oil temp peaked at 270° F
    Just saw this. Is that ok? I thought like 250-260 was pushing it? What was your oil pressure when it was at 270?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    I know, I know...I drive closed/netted cars so much I forgot to bring them...
    We don't want to see you try to build cars with one arm in a a cast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Just saw this. Is that ok? I thought like 250-260 was pushing it? What was your oil pressure when it was at 270?
    Well- I would say that is not good. I would not feel confident in that temp, especially after my experience and the new owners experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Just saw this. Is that ok? I thought like 250-260 was pushing it? What was your oil pressure when it was at 270?
    Nope too much, getting an oil cooler before the next test

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post
    We don't want to see you try to build cars with one arm in a a cast!

    I've got a set of Sparco and a set of Gforce , just forgot them...

    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Well- I would say that is not good. I would not feel confident in that temp, especially after my experience and the new owners experience.
    Oil needs to be 230-250°F
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    Boy, to escape that crash with a broken arm and bruised lung......on his first race too. Makes you realize how very badly things can go.

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    Any idea what it would cost to duplicate this build for myself?

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    Do they have the front IC ducted to force air through it?

    Are you planning on adding the oil cooler to the front or off one of the side scoops?

    Love the nose video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRizzo View Post
    Any idea what it would cost to duplicate this build for myself?
    Build one just like this for you turn key with the same HP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by metros View Post
    Do they have the front IC ducted to force air through it?

    Are you planning on adding the oil cooler to the front or off one of the side scoops?

    Love the nose video!
    It's a front mount air to air intercooler fully ducted in front of the radiator. Water temp stayed at 192° F for the run. An oil cooler is going to be fed by the side scoop on the drivers side
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    Man, it goes from 100 to 155 really fast!! I noticed you were be easy on the high speed shifts.
    Really enjoyed the video.

    were you able to simulate those IC temps on the dyno so you could figure out safe timing at those boost and temp levels..

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankc5r View Post
    Man, it goes from 100 to 155 really fast!! I noticed you were be easy on the high speed shifts.
    Really enjoyed the video.

    were you able to simulate those IC temps on the dyno so you could figure out safe timing at those boost and temp levels..
    On the dyno, the power pulls were shorter duration. I have the ECU set up to pull timing as the intake air temp goes up.
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    Very cool videos Wayne, great job editing and data overlay.

    It looks like FFR or you took a cue from the Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe with the extra roll cage bar diagonally from the center across the passenger area. I wonder if that will become standard like on the Gen 3?

    And it looks like the engine cover wants to take flight!
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    Very Nice! Wow what a fast car. The speed picks up quickly. I am not familiar with the car. What engine and transmission are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vette1972 View Post
    Very Nice! Wow what a fast car. The speed picks up quickly. I am not familiar with the car. What engine and transmission are you using?

    Great video Tks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
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    Really fast and smooth running car. Thanks Wayne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    Oil needs to be 230-250°F
    Ok that is what I thought. I'm seeing 250 on the track in 70 degree weather and it will be higher as the weather gets hotter. I have a big O2A oil cooler and have removed the factory O2W oil cooler/warmer, but the cooler is placed in the back next to the transmission where it doesn't get a ton of flow. I do have a SPAL fan hooked to it but it doesn't seem to be enough. I need to put it behind the side scoop with some really air-tight ducting. I also have high coolant temps though and am wondering if better radiator ducting may help reduce the oil temps somewhat as well. You mentioned you are planning on putting an oil cooler in the front; that is a lot of extra hose and oil volume but I wonder if it's the only way that will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    Build one just like this for you turn key with the same HP?
    Well, the more I look at it, there are some things that would have to be different. I need headlights (to get it road legal so that I can drive it to the track). And I would want a passenger seat. Since I'm new to the car, I probably wouldn't want as much HP off the bat, but would like the ability to get it there. Is this making ANY sense?

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    very cool. Was the shifter giving you problems? I too noticed the rear cowl and weird door extension fiberglass piece want to leave the car at speed.
    Our oil temps match water at 185-190 max, but we are running an oil cooler (big one) under our top scoop. AIT's are 125 at the end of the straight with our a2a intercooler on top of the engine, but we are still running the stock VF28.
    In terms of safety (arm restraints you bad boy) and maybe look at padding the edge of that fuel cell to save your right elbow when your fighting off the bees in the cockpit!

    Great video, can't wait to get ours back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    looks great, can't wait to see the test results on the spring rate choices, running exactly what we are.
    I just noticed I had not answered this. The springs work great. With lighter front springs it would drag the splitter under braking at speed. I have not driven the car on a bumpy track so I can't tell you how it works there. THe car is really hooked up mid corner.
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    Well I had a little bit of time today so I swapped the stock exhaust manifolds and crossover for a Borla unequal length header I had sitting around at the shop. I did a few pulls and had t add a little fuel because of the increase in efficiency. Then took off the plate style of downpipe and made a new one with bellmouth. Overall it picked up 9 peak RWHP and 36 RWTQ. The average HP was up 36 and average TQ was up 31 from 4000-7250 RPM. It spooled up nearly 400 rpm sooner too, I call that a win

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    Nice, Wayne. Are you going to be driving the car for the GRM event?

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    Fun, wish I had the time to run up to VIR and hang out.

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    We just moved and haven't even started setting up my shop. My stuff is split between a container here at the track and trailer which is making it tough to get much done on my ride.
    If I get an amazing amount done between now and the 19th I just might have to make the drive.

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