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    Roadracer's #997 build

    Jerry at Stewart Transport delivered my '33 stage 1 today!

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    Looks great, apart from one small problem, can you spot it? Something isn't as it should be

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    Look at the very front of the chassis.. a little modification and flaking of powder coat. I'll let FFR & Stewart know about this on Monday. My wife and I did the inventory today, there's very little missing. A few bolts and a very short backorder list. In fact I have some extra parts in the cooling box that I haven't identified yet!

    Of course I have a lot fewer boxes and parts having just stage 1. No body, interior etc.

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    So, what are my plans? A pretty standard build to start with, get it on the road relatively quickly using donor mustang GT rear, donor 350 SBC and TKO600. I'm not planning much non-standard to start - this will be my DD as soon as I can get it done. Over time, I'll replace with blueprint 383 and upgrade whatever I find that needs doing. I added the 3 link option, so I'll be doing that from the beginning. Wanted IRS but couldn't swing that much extra $$.

    Here's some renderings I've done of the final result, inspired by my old GTD40 with diamond white paint with light blue stripes. The stripes are hard to do well in the app I have, but you'll get the idea.

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    Tomorrow the fun starts in earnest. Thank all for being here and so helpful.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    Now it's up on stands my first job is to fix the bent LCA bracket. Still pondering how best to do it.. any ideas?

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    RR, the renderings look great! Those tires look massive. I was pondering boxing the bottom of that frame horn on my car at one point. Now I may go back and do it. I recommend using a rigid square tube clamped or tack welded to bend it back without creating another bend and getting a wavy result.

  4. #4
    Thanks erlihemi. I did exactly that but still got a wave. It doesn't want to bend that close to the weld. I've trial-installed the front suspension this morning to see how it all works.. went together very well so far.

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    Last edited by RoadRacer; 04-16-2017 at 01:55 PM.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  5. #5
    Emptied some more boxes and assembled more parts while Stewart decides what to do with bent chassis. May have to ship back to FFR, but we'll see. Went to local junk yard and got '02 Mustang GT rear (3.27, 8.8, limited slip, 5 lug, solid rotor, 62.52" wide) and stripped it of all the unnecessary crap. Will wire brush and paint along with all the rest of the bare metal parts, but I think I'll trial install the rear and see how the 3-link all goes together first.

    Once it's in (and I've confirmed the 3-link still suffers from this problem) I'll consider the fix documented over at http://www.ffcars.com/forums/17-fact...sing-link.html (hat tip to myjones for pointing me at this). Or perhaps I'll try and find a competent welder to weld the banana bracket on..

    Before and after stripping the 'extras':

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    All the leftover parts

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    RR, that particular bend in the front bracket is pretty simple to straighten if you have some basic equipment. If you have access to an oxy/acetylene torch and a rose bud tip; PM me and I'll provide you with enough details that you can straighten it yourself even if you've never done this type of work before. It really is that easy. Of course you'll have to touch-up the powder coating and I can recommend a product for that as well.

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    BTW, love the new rear LCA.. compare the version shown in the latest manual with what I got!

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by NAZ View Post
    PM me and I'll provide you with enough details that you can straighten it yourself even if you've never done this type of work before.
    Thanks NAZ, will do, once we all decide what course of action to take.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  9. #9
    Today was wire-brush-on-a-drill day. Many years of dirt and gunk to remove from the rear. Scrubbed, Soaked in Purple Power, scrubbed some more, then Eastwood Pre, 2K Primer and 2K Gloss Black. Turned out nicely though, used one can of primer and one can gloss on the rear and the two front UCA.

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  10. #10
    Looking good. We will have to get together some time. Never seen a coupe up close. Maybe I can bring my roadster by before I start bodywork.
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  11. #11
    Yeah would be great to see you. Free any evening and weekend.. just text me whenever you fancy coming by. Just remember I'm only stage 1, no body to see yet
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    Sanded, prepped, primered and glossed most of the rest of the parts I've got. The Eastwood 2K ran out with only the engine and gearbox mounts remaining - which is fine since I don't have an engine or gearbox

    I wish FFR would offer an option to powder coat all these pieces too! There's a lot of bare metal delivered.

    At least assembly can start now..

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRacer View Post
    Sanded, prepped, primered and glossed most of the rest of the parts I've got. The Eastwood 2K ran out with only the engine and gearbox mounts remaining - which is fine since I don't have an engine or gearbox

    I wish FFR would offer an option to powder coat all these pieces too! There's a lot of bare metal delivered.

    At least assembly can start now..

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    I like your chain hanger and wish I would have thought of it.

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    A day of 'suggesting' that all the front suspension parts please kindly fit into their assigned locations. I hesitate to say i've done 'final' fitment of all this, but I surely hope so. It will be a day of cusswords if I have to remove those shocks, knowing what it takes to get those .32" spacers in.

    Although, the whole thing only took a couple hours. Finding and fitting all the grease nipples and caps and greasing it all up seemed to take just as long! I probably could have stayed an extra few minutes and added spindles and brakes (already assembled) but I'll start the day tomorrow with something easy..

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  15. #15
    Good start.. I find the inspiration and commitment comes in spurts. I'll stare at something thinking I cannot do it for a while then I will just go ahead and do it. I guess that is part of the fun eh?

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    Yeah and it's funny how we're all paying extra for the privilege according to another thread here

    Man, I love building cars though. ALMOST as much as driving them
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  17. #17
    Added spindles, hubs, rotors, calipers and steering rack today. Finally removed the chassis panels that came installed. Moved the rear into position with wife's help, waiting on the brackets which were POL and are already on the way from FFR.

    Everything went smoothly today, but the hub torque was interesting! My old snapon 3/8 drive torque wrench - 25 years old - only goes up to 100ft/lb. Never had to torque anything higher! But 235ft/lb is a lot higher, so I went and borrowed bigger torque wrench from autozone and had to buy a 1 3/8 wrench to do it up. I weigh 215, but damn it took some effort to get that click-click! I was doing chin ups on the wrench

    Note sure about my placement of the metal steering rack bracket - the manual shows it the other way around, but that interferes with the cable tie, and since that didn't easily move I wondered if there was a groove there on the rack. So for now I just switched the bracket which will works. We'll see. It's at the end of the wide part, but it still tight.

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    UPDATE: Later I went back and flipped this steering rack bracket back to as per manual, and moved the boot over a smidge.
    Last edited by RoadRacer; 05-07-2017 at 03:31 PM.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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    I didnt see a mention in the thread of how FFR addressed the bent chassis piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Scarborough View Post
    I didnt see a mention in the thread of how FFR addressed the bent chassis piece.
    Ah, sorry. FFR were amazing and offered a replacement chassis if I wanted one, even though it happened during shipping.

    In the end Stewart and I agreed on some cash compensation. I'm happy with that.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  20. #20
    Finished torquing up the front suspension, here showing the extra spacers I had to add to top balljoint on both sides

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    I had a similar problem at the rear, on drivers side, lower shock mount. Only on that side, there was way too much gap remaining after the spacers were in, so I added two washers there too. The other side is different design and worked with just spacers

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    At this point I have to say that a homemade spreader "tool" is super useful - I've used it many times already on front/rear suspension. I have a 3ft 1/2" threaded bar, nuts and thick 2" washers that I've used to open up most of the attachment points. Some are WAY too small, the worst so far being the chassis mounting of rear LCA - over an 1/8" too small. I open it up maybe a 1/8" bigger than needed and it springs back 1/16", then I snug up with bolts.

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    Fitting the rear on my own was interesting - when it falls off the jack (and it will) I made sure to have a backup underneath it. It's a big heavy mofo, but it's in there now, and tomorrow it'll be on to the 3 link.

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    Last edited by RoadRacer; 05-07-2017 at 07:38 AM. Reason: oops.. lower shock mount, not LCA
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRacer View Post

    At this point I have to say that a homemade spreader "tool" is super useful - I've used it many times already on front/rear suspension. I have a 3ft 1/2" threaded bar, nuts and thick 2" washers that I've used to open up most of the attachment points. Some are WAY too small, the worst so far being the chassis mounting of rear LCA - over an 1/8" too small. I open it up maybe a 1/8" bigger than needed and it springs back 1/16", then I snug up with bolts.
    Love the idea for the "homemade spreader bar". I had the same issue with most of the attachment points. Must really pull in during the welding process.
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    It will be a roller soon! Nice spreader bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erlihemi View Post
    It will be a roller soon! Nice spreader bar.
    haha, yes! I have no wheels yet, so I'm going to make some MDF circles the right circumference as the planned tires and bolt them on.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  24. #24
    Installed the 3 link & panhard today. Lots of farting around with the bolt-on 3-link bracket - the front and back bolt holes were nowhere close to aligning, so I used the drill press to redrill in a straight line. You can see the original misalignment at top left in pic below. I split the difference and drilled all four holes out straighter.

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    That, and the customary 'spreading' and I got it all together. The panhard support was awfully close to the bolt head at front of the LCA though. I had to persuade it to get in.

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    Good time to call it quits for the day..

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    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  25. #25
    I am going to order stage 2 today since sale started yesterday. Been thinking about going up to pick it up myself. If there is any other Texas stage 2 needing pick up, I could
    get a bigger trailer ?

  26. #26
    So what sale would that be? I have not gotten anything about it or see anything on their web site.


    Tim

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by bakerboerne View Post
    I am going to order stage 2 today since sale started yesterday. Been thinking about going up to pick it up myself. If there is any other Texas stage 2 needing pick up, I could
    get a bigger trailer ?
    It's just SO FAR! I thought about it, but it would be 4-6 days of driving - so a week off work - plus rental, plus gas and hotels.. not cheap! Stewart was super easy

    But to answer your question, I'm not ready or able for stage 2 yet. Thanks though.
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by TDSapp View Post
    So what sale would that be? I have not gotten anything about it or see anything on their web site.


    Tim
    Signup for their emails Tim, they announced a 50/50 for 5 sale (or $1000 off options I believe)
    Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines - Enzo Ferrari

    FFR33 coupe #997, ordered 2/20/17, delivered 4/15/17, build thread
    Planned: 350-383 SBC, TKO600, hardtop, no fenders, hood, no sides, 3 link, 18x10 (285) 19x13 (345)
    Previous fun: GTD40, AC replica, 37 Ford, 55 Chevy, 66 Nova, 56 F100, 64 Catalina

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