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    I'm with NAZ; as long as all wear interfaces stay matched the valvetrain should be happy. Any torque to yield fasteners are one time use.

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    Since you ran the engine for a period of time with the oil contaminated by water, I would be very careful on reusing the cam and lifters. You may have gotten some scoring on the lobes or lifters which will result in a failure down the road. A new flat tappet cam and lifters are pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. With that said, normally reusing your cam and lifters would be fine as long as they were kept matched up.

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    Thanks Gentlemen,

    Just wanted you all to know that I talked to Mike Forte as well and he agrees with the consensus but suggested I upgrade to a Roller Cam if I could afford it.

    In addition, Mike also agreed that the block should have been discarded and replaced instead of bringing patched with J/B Weld or any product like that.
    I may be pulling the engine on Sunday since we'll be Cruising The Coast on Thursday, Friday & Saturday, but it depends on when the Dart Block gets shipped.
    If any of you decide to come down for the fun, then please let me know.
    Thanks Again For The Assistance & Support!

    Steve
    Last edited by GoDadGo; 10-03-2017 at 08:35 PM.

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    Steve,
    Would love to come help with the pullout but I'm stuck in GA for a few more weeks. So sorry for your disappointment. There are still a lot of good folks out there who do the right thing, every time. It's just difficult to tell the difference sometimes, until they show themselves.
    Sorry you found the wrong kind.
    Hang in there, this is going to be a fantastic car!!!!!
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    Steve keep your hopes up. As a diesel mechanic the first thing I'd do is pull the pan and pressurize the cooling system. Try to find where the water is coming from.
    I've even seen bad timing case or timing case casket. If water is coming from one cyl. then you can narrow your view. Might save one head gasket. Seems to me that if you got into the cooling system while clearancing the block you would have found the problem before this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doutie View Post
    Seems to me that if you got into the cooling system while clearancing the block you would have found the problem before this.
    Doutie,

    This has been a long grueling forum thread so you must have missed the spot where I found the leak.

    The fellow that did the work hit two of the water passages in the bottom of the block and then attempted to plug them with J/B Weld, but never told me.

    While the J/B Weld worked for a while, he failed to tell me what he had done and insisted that I let me come over to install some "Block Sealant" which would fix my problem.

    Thank God I Didn't Because I'm Sure The Block Sealant Would Have Wiped Out My Rotating Assembly, Double Roller Timing Chain, Cam & Lifters Along With The Oil Pump.

    Steve

    PS: At least it looks like I can salvage these parts.
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    Sorry to read about the broken parts and broken trust.

    x3 or 4 or whatever. Cam should be fine, keep the lifters in order. Replace the hardware.
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    I wouldn't hesitate to re-use cam and lifters because they are easy to examine for damage. A light and maybe even a magnifying glass will tell you whether they have been worn.
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    Hi Steve,

    That's the worst "shade tree mechanic" trick I have heard in a long time. I feel for you having followed some of your threads during this build. Like most of us, building your dream car is very personal. Sorry it turned out like this.

    I wanted to mention something. Another poster suggested going to an LS as a replacement. It sure would be the way I would go if the budget allows. It is such a good engine especially as a 383 stroker. I'm on a Corvette forum so I hear people raving about them. Since you are in a contemplative state, it's worth considering.

    Good luck getting your project back on the road,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skullandbones View Post
    Hi Steve,

    I wanted to mention something. Another poster suggested going to an LS as a replacement. It sure would be the way I would go if the budget allows. It is such a good engine especially as a 383 stroker.

    WEK
    I'm committed to a SBC since the engine mounts have been set up for that power plant.
    Also, a new Dart Block is already on order.

    Thanks-O-Million For Your Comment!


    Steve

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    1. Hurricane Nate Passed Us Last Weekend So The Replacement Block (Dart SHP) Will Be Delivered Tomorrow!
    2. The Chevy Cobra Will Be Brought Back Home From My Brother's Place Too So Hopefully The 2nd Time Will Be A Charm!
    3. Hopefully, Sooner Than Later The Chevy Cobra Will Become The Dark Side Dart Cobra & The Testing Can Begin Once More!
    Last edited by GoDadGo; 10-11-2017 at 03:00 PM.

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    That's great news Steve. Happy to hear. You will have that motor slapped together in no time.

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    You get to open the box for an early Christmas.
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    Glad your getting a replacement. I have had brand new short blocks go bad as well as problems with new long blocks. It is a pain to do everything over but worth it in the long run. Best of luck this time.

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    Congrats Steve.
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    Thanks Guys!

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    Go get em steve

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    Been following this thread. Glad you're now on the road to getting this whole situation in the rear view mirror. You handled it much better than I would have.

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    Seriously, you've been able to maintain your cool to an inspirational level. I'm just beginning my build and can't imagine how disappointed is be after achieving go cart to only end up taking the engine back out. Thanks for showing us all the way to take bad news.
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    The block delivery has been delayed to Monday of next week.

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    I feel your pain. My entire kit delivery was delayed due to all the hurricanes and shipping backups. I know it'll make for a looooong weekend.
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    Well, Steve, it will all come together for you at some point. Hang in there and I'm sure the Chevy Cobra will be an awesome machine. BTW, thanks for the call last week regarding the Cruising the Coast Event. As of now, Factory Five will not be at the Emerald Coast Cruizin so I will pass on that as well.

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    Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

    https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

    We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDadGo View Post
    Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

    https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

    We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.

    Don't fret Steve, you will overcome. If it makes you feel any better your in good company, my 331 has sprung a leak as well. I'm in my first 200 miles and this issue is a major setback. In a big way! I took on the task of building the motor myself knowing a mistake could be a financial hit but I wanted the satisfaction/knowledge, knowing I built the power plant. I now have the car in the hands of a experienced engine builder and he informed me yesterday the motor needs to come out. Main bearing is shot, head gasket(s) are done, etc. As to the exact root cause of the leak (#3 cylinder flooded with coolant), still is yet to be determined but this guy suspects when I installed the oil pickup I should have bolted it down to the outer 2 bolt main instead of the inner. His words "A big no no". It's never good to hear a guy who has been building race engines for over 50 years say "I've never seen X do that".


    I am heading to his shop today to get more detail on his diagnosis and form a plan but I am absolutely sick to my stomach about it. Major setback. In the grand scheme of things, it's all part of the deal. I knew I would make mistakes along the way and I am willing to accept the result. In the end, you will resolve your issue as well as I and the power plants that propel our cars will be stronger and better than ever.


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    You guys are starting to get me worried. While I hired a professional to rebuild mine, I do take pride in knowing that I took the engine apart (which was not easy. . . for me). However, I'm starting to regret not going with a crate motor. I take my hat off to the real car guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDadGo View Post
    Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

    https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

    We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.
    Quote Originally Posted by RickP View Post
    Don't fret Steve, you will overcome. If it makes you feel any better your in good company, my 331 has sprung a leak as well. I'm in my first 200 miles and this issue is a major setback. In a big way! I took on the task of building the motor myself knowing a mistake could be a financial hit but I wanted the satisfaction/knowledge, knowing I built the power plant. I now have the car in the hands of a experienced engine builder and he informed me yesterday the motor needs to come out. Main bearing is shot, head gasket(s) are done, etc. As to the exact root cause of the leak (#3 cylinder flooded with coolant), still is yet to be determined but this guy suspects when I installed the oil pickup I should have bolted it down to the outer 2 bolt main instead of the inner. His words "A big no no". It's never good to hear a guy who has been building race engines for over 50 years say "I've never seen X do that".


    I am heading to his shop today to get more detail on his diagnosis and form a plan but I am absolutely sick to my stomach about it. Major setback. In the grand scheme of things, it's all part of the deal. I knew I would make mistakes along the way and I am willing to accept the result. In the end, you will resolve your issue as well as I and the power plants that propel our cars will be stronger and better than ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugi View Post
    You guys are starting to get me worried. While I hired a professional to rebuild mine, I do take pride in knowing that I took the engine apart (which was not easy. . . for me). However, I'm starting to regret not going with a crate motor. I take my hat off to the real car guys.
    Steve & Rick,

    I can't even imagine how devastated I'd be in your situations. Building one of these cars is a labor of love and passion and to have such a major mile stone achieved and then taken away has to be tough. You are both dealing with it way better than I would be. Honestly, if it were me I'd likely be considering aborting the entire project and buying a Porsche.

    Fugi,

    When I started planning my build I knew there was no way I was going to try to build the engine, trans, rear end. I definitely like a challenge, but with the precise tolerances needed to have the desired performance I had in mind, a crate package was my only option. I looked at the cost of my chosen package and then thought about how expensive it could get if I made a 1/1000th of an inch error and that sealed it for me. Someday I'd still like to learn how to build an engine, but it will be in a $3,000 beater that I can give my grandsons someday, not for my roadster.
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    I really can't think of a good way to put positive spin on it other than, "good thing to find out now, rather then later".......not really! Hey, at least she stops real good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    Honestly, if it were me I'd likely be considering aborting the entire project and buying a Porsche.

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    Okay, the new Dart SHP Block Really, Really, Really is supposed to show up tomorrow afternoon!

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    Hey Gang,

    > The Eagle has landed or at least my new Dart SHP Block is in the workshop as of this evening.
    > With said it is time to pull the engine and transmission so that i can disassemble the engine.
    > Shown below is the latest update from the Dark Side Dart Cobra Cave @ Camp Go-Dad-Go:

    https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

    Steve
    Last edited by GoDadGo; 10-16-2017 at 07:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDadGo View Post
    Hey Gang,

    > The Eagle has landed or at least my new Dart SHP Block is in the workshop as of this evening.
    > With said it is time to pull the engine and transmission so that i can disassemble the engine.
    > Shown below is the latest update from the Dark Side Dart Cobra Cave @ Camp Go-Dad-Go:

    https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

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    I'm sure you will have it back together and running better than ever in what you will look back on as a blink . . . well maybe more than a blink, but certainly much less time than it took the first time. The water line marks from the barious hurricanes are incredible. Now we know why you can stay so positive, having been through that (twice) a blown engine ain't nothing but a thing. Congrats

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    Sorry to hear about your problem, my stomach would sink if this happened to me as I dont have a machine shop in my back pocket. Is the "clearancing" performed on any stroker? I think the answer is YES !!!

    Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.
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    OK steve, now get to the parts! You will have fun with the DART.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcwho View Post
    Sorry to hear about your problem, my stomach would sink if this happened to me as I dont have a machine shop in my back pocket. Is the "clearancing" performed on any stroker? I think the answer is YES !!!

    Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.
    Hey Bob,

    I'm not familiar with the bottom end of any Ford, but "Good Engine Builders" clearance blocks all the time.

    My engine was already a 383 stroker, but had a cast externally balanced crank with the very weak 5.556" stock chevy 400 rods from the 1970's, hence the reason why I wanted to upgrade the assembly to all forged parts that were internally balanced.

    In my application, I knew that going with the 6.0" H-Beam Rods was going to create some issues so I turned to the fellow that had been doing my machine work for over 30 years.

    If the gentleman, and I used the term loosely, would have told me when he hit the 1st water jacket, then he would have shown himself to be an honorable man; however, since he tried to hide his tracks on more than several occasions his lack of honor was exposed.

    Our Takeaway From My Misfortune Is To Always Be Honorable Men!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcwho View Post
    Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.
    The SBF (302) block isn't "clearance'd" for a 331 like a 347 would be.
    I'm just a victim of a thousand physic wars!
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    Quote Originally Posted by weendoggy View Post
    The SBF (302) block isn't "clearance'd" for a 331 like a 347 would be.
    Mine was. A few minutes with a die grinder to prevent possible disaster. A Ford block doesn't have the issue with hitting a water jacket.

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    Weendoggy & Rich GRSC,

    Glad you guys could put Bob's (McWho) mind at ease.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich grsc View Post
    ...A Ford block doesn't have the issue with hitting a water jacket.
    Ooooooh, was that a low blow and carefully crafted thinly veiled jab at the Chevy from Rich

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