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    Gator's 818R

    As many of you know that after participating here for a few years while I watched the progress of the 818 I have now purchased Brando's 818R. In 2013 I actually ordered an 818R kit but canceled when I realized there was a lot of pioneering work that needed to be done and issues resolved which I didn't have time to deal with. But now I'm in!
    This thread will be to document my own take on a racing - instructor's 818R. The goals for this car will be in the following order:

    1) Safe and Reliable car for instructing students at Oregon Raceway Park.
    2) Safe and Reliable Track Day rental car for HPDE type events, and possibly Rental Racer too.
    3) Performance Racing Car in NW ICSCC races in SPM and NASA NorCal ST2.

    Note the order of these priorities. Full race ultimate speed is the last one. I already have an STI built primarily for Endurance Racing, and a Palatov D4 built for Sprint racing, so there is no need to make this an all-out race 818R. What I do need is a car a student and I can feel safe in as they make the transition from a fully caged production car to an open top sports racer like my Palatov. I intend to use this car as a pre-qulifying car for students who want to rent the Palatov but whom I'm not sure they are ready for such a car, so a few laps in the 818R should let us both know if they are ready. And it should be a great car for instructing.

    To meet these goals my mods will first be for :
    1) Safety
    2) Reliability
    3) Performance.


    Safety:
    Now that I've had the car in my shop for a week I've discovered a few Safety shortcomings that need to be rectified first. I've already identified the failure of the broomstick test for me in the 818R Forum Thread on Real Life Broomstick Testing, if you haven't reviewed that thread you should whether you have an R, C, or S.
    I'm in the process of taking it back down to Go-Kart mode so I can make a full evaluation before starting the mods. As I find issues I'll post them up here in pics so we can all learn and build safer cars!

    Belts: The belts are installed incorrectly, both the main shoulder harness and the sub belts. The shoulder harnesses are threaded thru the D Rings and around the harness bar wrong. Here's the way they are installed and the way Schroth says they should be installed. I know why this is done, I was with a guy who almost fell off a rappel tower because he had his seat harness threaded this way and the belt pulled thru the D-Ring almost all the way out before another officer grabbed him.

    ..

    The Sub belt is not threaded back thru the D-Ring. What's holding it is it's pinched between the anchor fitting and the frame. This is the driver's side, I haven't checked the passenger side sub belt yet.



    Padding: There is none. My helmet can contact the angled side bar, and my arms and legs can contact all the side bars in the door. Per SCCA: 1. All portions of the roll cage subject to contact by the driver must be padded with a minimum 1
    inch of material. Padding that meets or exceeds SFI 45.1 or FIA 8857-2001 (curved padding), or SFI 45.2 or FIA sports car head rest material (flat padding) specification is recommended.

    Firewall: I'm not sure why but there's an odd sideways V shaped hole in the firewall next to the passenger seat. Big enough to reach thru and touch the gas tank. That will be covered over with an aluminum patch.

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    The shoulder harness bar brings up a second issue, if I drop the seat all the way to the floor I think the harness bar will be too high to pass the zero to -30 degree test. I'm pretty sure it will be angling upwards from my Hans device to the bar, which is a no-no.

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    Now for the Broomstick test issues. As purchased the car I failed the test by a good 4" at the main hoop height. To solve this I may use DanielsDM's method of cutting out the X Bars and welding in a steel plate across the bottom. I like the added protection from projectiles that provides, it makes it easy to mount the 5 point sub belt and future 6 point sub belts in the correct locations, and drops the seat as low as possible.

    And/or I'm strongly considering a Lotus 2-Eleven GT4 style halo. Many of you are probably familiar with the regular 2-Eleven track car but may have never seen the 2-Eleven that was built for FIA Homologation European GT4 racing. Since the 2-Eleven looks so much like an 818R, the images are good approximation of what our 818 would look like with this style halo:

    The standard 2-Eleven:

    The FIA GT4 race version:

    ......

    What do ya'll think?
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    From a racing safety perspective, I like the additional cage.

    For your stated priorities specifically, I would find an alternative solution. That particular solution looks like it would be very difficult for ingress and egress, and to the extent that your priority with this car is instructive training for passengers, that cage would be a total PITA.

    We've been struggling with this broomstick test problem for awhile, and we solved it with a floor and seat solution. But as I was looking through some photos on my phone of the 818 early in its FFR development, I stumbled upon this one with some interesting roll hoop supplements above the main hoop. This photo is from before the track testing of the prototype car (I believe). I've been wondering about doing this too and if those would pass tech:

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    Mulry, good point on the ingress-egress, which is basically straight up thru the roll cage. When I drove the MX-5 Cup cars I found it easier to go straight up in and out than to use the doors and squeeze under the cage. But that's the tall guy answer, not for everyone.

    On the extension, I'm guessing probably not. It would not meet the one continuous tube and the side braces no more than 6 from the top rules. Although a similar thing has been done with the Spec Racer Ford who had the same issue years ago with tall drivers. They allowed a second hoop to be welded on to the primary hoop. But then again SRF production is owned by SCCA Enterprises!

    Here's what Palatov did to extend my D4. When I went to tech it the ICSCC inspector didn't like the extension, but the chief tech inspector for the SCCA NW region was racing that day in our ICSCC races so the ICSCC inspector asked his opinion since the SCCA has the most experience with open top formula and sports racers. The SCCA inspector had no problem with my main hoop extension, but he didn't like the way the rear braces tied into the frame. The end result was they both said to submit drawings to SCCA HQ and get the design homologated....note the car in the background!

    This hoop extension is actually blended into the original hoop tube so it is one continuous tube.

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    The extensions also aren't triangulated and are non-nodal. They would apply a massive bending load into the hoop if it were to ever be used.

    Strangely, that picture kind of looks like the S roll bar with those extensions simply added on top. While it's obviously pre-production, I do find it odd that with that seat location driver's helmet would still be marginal at best. Kind of shoots a few holes into the "it fit in CAD" argument.

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    I don't have the side fender panels off yet, but from what I can see in the gap it looks like there is about 3" of unused clearance between the cockpit firewall and the Boyd tank. If that is correct and I can refabricate the firewall back 3" that will make a difference in how high the roll bar has to go for my helmet to clear the broomstick. I got the serch function figured out, looking at what everyone has done with the Boyd Tank / Firewall Mod.
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    We see this all the time, when it comes to belt installation, it's just too easy to do wrong.
    The 818R model is an incomplete adaptation of the street version to something you can really race on track. You still need a ton of knowledge, and some pretty advanced modifications, to really turn it into a safe and sorted wheel to wheel race car, it's more an advanced track day car for someone that doesn't want to take out their expensive sports car.

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    I sat in the car with no seat, my butt jammed down behind the stock floor X-Braces right on the aluminum floor, and my helmet resting back against the harness bar. I can literally get no lower or further back than that. I still was 1/2" short of passing the broomstick test. So I either have to raise the rear roll bar, add a front hoop, or sell the car to someone who doesn't have the body of a fat mink topped with a giraffe neck! Make me an offer before I start cutting and welding!
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    can you get the 1/2 by tilting the seat back?
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    Sgt, the 3" gap between the firewall and Boyd tank is easy to solve. The 1/8"-thick panel from FFR is for the FFR tank, but the Boyd tank is 3" thinner, so I bent the panel 20 degrees more at the second bend from the top. Or, I saw someone else who cut the panel and made it a 2-piece firewall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    can you get the 1/2 by tilting the seat back?
    No. my head (helmet) was all the way back against the harness bar. There's no more room down or back to get.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZPete View Post
    Sgt, the 3" gap between the firewall and Boyd tank is easy to solve. The 1/8"-thick panel from FFR is for the FFR tank, but the Boyd tank is 3" thinner, so I bent the panel 20 degrees more at the second bend from the top. Or, I saw someone else who cut the panel and made it a 2-piece firewall.
    Thanks AZPete. I searched and found your thread and several others form the original group of pioneers who dealt with this issue. Although it won't solve my broomstick test problem, it should give me a lot more legroom so my knees won't be so bent. Thanks.
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    Michael is 6'3 340#
    we move the gas tank to battery box.
    Replaced roll bar. (13" to 18")
    custom shaped kirkey seat.

    I will bring it to PRI if you want to try it on for size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    Gator
    Michael is 6'3 340#
    we move the gas tank to battery box.
    Replaced roll bar. (13" to 18")
    custom shaped kirkey seat.

    I will bring it to PRI if you want to try it on for size.
    Bob

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    Thanks Bob, your's look good! They should all come 18".

    I think we have the solution, our very own Tom Ryon who works and drives FFRSpec72's (Tony) 818R is going to build me a similar halo cage to what he did for this Factory Five Cobra, which is already approved and has been racing in our ICSCC and SCCA races for years:





    Although I want to add corner braces in the halo corners like this Palatov:





    I'm debating keeping the 818R angled brace that comes from the main hoop to the front at about face level or not. It would be easier to get in and out without it, and far easier to get out when upside down and on fire without it. But it does add a measure of side impact safety which is far more likely than being upside down and on fire. We'll try a test wriggle out and see if I could do it....
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    From and engineering stand point, I see issues with both but nothing that can't be dealt with easily. I agree that the angle brace is nice, but will make it impossible to get out in a rollover. Check out our Nascar side impact foam installation that is both light and effective in dealing with a hard side impact situation.
    We have many thoughts about how the cage could be improved, as well as how we would approach a new build with this chassis. Bring your colored pencils........

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    I seem to be a magnet for drama and confrontations over cage modifications:

    I took the 818R with me to the Portland Enduro race with two goals, as an emergency odd parts car for Retro's 818R, and also to meet with our ICSCC race stewards and get their blessings on my proposed cage modifications BEFORE I start cutting and welding (and spending $$$). The Blessings part was a fail, and even worse than I expected.

    I proposed two solutions to the broomstick failure test:

    1) Raise the main hoop (rear) by 6" by cutting off the factory hoop and braces and fabricating an almost exact replica of hoop and braces, only 6" higher. The problem with this solution, besides not providing protection from another car sliding up over the front of the 818 or impacts from loose wheels flying down the track (Watch out! Terry's driving the Retro Racing RX-7 and here comes a wheel at 90mph! ), it also means the angled side bar will have to go up 6" making ingress /egress even more difficult. So my prefferrred solution is 2).

    2) Adding a new front hoop and braces. There were two likely spots the additional front hoop could be located. The hoop would be braced to the rear hoop with two braces far enough inside that a driver and passenger could still ingress/egress over the angled sidebar and slide down between the fore aft braces connecting the hoops, aka the FF Challenge car in the pics above.

    The two stewards went back and forth over the course of hours looking at it and discussing my two proposed solutions. At the end of the race, they said either solution would require either a letter from Factory Five approving the modifications as safe, or an engineers letter and stamp approving them as safe, or SCCA Tech certifying the design and issuing a homologation certificate. After several subsequent and angst filled emails overnight they have ruled that if I get an acknowledeged cage expert to do the modifications, and if the Conference insurance person agrees it meets the rules, they will stamp the cage. So now I'm trying to settle with them who the cage builder has to be!

    They say the 818R has to meet SCCA Formula/Sports Racer cage rules, not Production rules.

    That's a lot of IFs. Frankly, if someone was to offer me a good price where I can cover my transportation costs from California up to the NW and make a modest profit I'd be willing to sell the car and move on to something I know I can fit in, like a FF Gen 3 Daytona coupe. The buyer will need to be less than 6' tall though!
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    I have two engineers on staff that could sign off on the cage design. Send me a quick drawing, with measurements of what you want, and I will get them working on it if you want.
    All this for the low low price of helping out again at the next endure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    I have two engineers on staff that could sign off on the cage design. Send me a quick drawing, with measurements of what you want, and I will get them working on it if you want.
    All this for the low low price of helping out again at the next endure!
    Wow, Jeff, that's very generous! I'll get to work on it!
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    I'm still working with a few Conference folks about my cage design. They helped by pointing to the Diasio 962, a car I'd never heard of as a similar design to what I want:

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    Other cars we race against with a similar design except it includes the sidebars, these guys are Jeff's neighbors in BC. Lotus Super 7 Challenge cars, they use the same design as the Lotus 2-Eleven and we see them at our Conference races. IMHO their side protection is pretty non-existent : http://www.super7cars.com/motorsport.html



    The perfect solution would be a Factory Five 818R Challenge front hoop cage. Since it would be designed by FF it would almost automatically be accepted. I don't see that happening anytime soon!
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    Have you asked FFR? One of the engineers might have a design in a file on his computer.
    Won't know until you ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Have you asked FFR? One of the engineers might have a design in a file on his computer.
    Won't know until you ask.
    Not yet but I am now.

    I did get one definitive answer to one of the options we were considering. In the past SCCA allowed an add-on bar for tall racers of formula cars, and SCCA Enterprises even manufactured an addon bar option for the Spec Racer Ford. Apparently, that is no longer allowed. The answer you see here applies specifically to my Palatov D4 attempt to follow the SRF addon and get SCCA homolgation, but it applies equally to an 818:

    "After reviewing your paperwork/pictures, I don’t believe this car requires homologation. However, one item to keep an eye on is the main hoop.

    First off, our rules do not allow “scabbed on” main hoops. It appears that there is an additional hoop welded on top of the initial hoop. That is okay, only if the “broomstick” test is passed successfully from the lower hoop to the front hoop. The driver must be underneath a straight line drawn from the main hoop (lower hoop in your case) to the front hoop.
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    The FF Challenge front hoop and connections to the main hoop makes a lot of sense. There is a pretty good landing node at the front for the hoop and it wouldn't be difficult to add some triangulation there. I like that front-rear horizontal connection with the side supports. I'd make a drawing if I could find a good side view of the cage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulry View Post
    The FF Challenge front hoop and connections to the main hoop makes a lot of sense. There is a pretty good landing node at the front for the hoop and it wouldn't be difficult to add some triangulation there. I like that front-rear horizontal connection with the side supports. I'd make a drawing if I could find a good side view of the cage...
    Thanks. FYI Jim Schenck has stepped up and is helping us with the dimensions/drawings for the design of a front hoop. Retro Racing volunteered his engineers to do the design (Thanks, Jeff!). I hope we have a design in a couple of weeks, then Tom Ryon is going to build it.

    Meanwhile....
    We are installing an FI Tech Suge tank. Pics when we have it located.


    The firewall is being replaced with a lighter aluminum one that will be moved back close the tank giving more legroom, and it will actually be sealed up, no gaping holes for gas to pour thru on me!

    An ESS AFFF 5.0L, 6 nozzle fire system is being installed. The bottle will be located up front near the battery.

    And in case you haven't seen the announcement for the new F3 Americas Series car, here it is with the new FIA required HALO:

    F3 Americas New Car Roll Cage 2.jpgF3 Americas New Car Roll Cage.jpg

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    That's awesome news! I'm very interested in using the front hoop design too. I love the roadster, but I love not being as deathy even more. Especially for those of us who will be using these chassis in W2W endurance action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulry View Post
    That's awesome news! I'm very interested in using the front hoop design too. I love the roadster, but I love not being as deathy even more. Especially for those of us who will be using these chassis in W2W endurance action.
    I, (or possibly FF ?), will apply for an SCCA Homologation on the design. Then any builder should be able to have no issues at any track as long as he follows the design exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.Gator View Post

    The firewall is being replaced with a lighter aluminum one that will be moved back close the tank giving more legroom, and it will actually be sealed up, no gaping holes for gas to pour thru on me!
    What are you using for a tank? The firewall pic it looks like the 1st generation. My car is has the 2nd gen tank design that is shallower on the driver side.
    I'm not using the FFR tank, instead I designed a fuel cell that fills the space (entirely, 18 gallons), Harmon Fuel Cells built the cell (bladder only). Instead of using a separate "can" to enclose the fuel cell we are using the FFR firewall panels plus additional back and side panels. We're not running the ECU harness or anything else through the firewall so the feedthru above the FFR tank is not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielsDM View Post
    What are you using for a tank? The firewall pic it looks like the 1st generation. My car is has the 2nd gen tank design that is shallower on the driver side.
    I'm not using the FFR tank, instead I designed a fuel cell that fills the space (entirely, 18 gallons), Harmon Fuel Cells built the cell (bladder only). Instead of using a separate "can" to enclose the fuel cell we are using the FFR firewall panels plus additional back and side panels. We're not running the ECU harness or anything else through the firewall so the feedthru above the FFR tank is not needed.
    I think it has the Boyd tank. First Gen if there is a newer one. This car was one of the first Rs produced. I've considered a custom fuel cell similar to what you describe, only I'd go ahead and use an aluminum can. But since this is not going to be my primary race car (I have an STI for Enduros and a Palatov D4 for Sprints), but primarily for instructing and track rental, I'm not going to spend $2K+ for a fuel cell.

    But it is important to avoid going ultra lean from fuel starvation in corners, hence the surge tank.

    I forgot to mention that Tom is also installing a rollover vent valve in the tank and fixing the sender unit.

    ..
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    Gator. I’d be interested in the new cage design when you get it. I’ll keep an eye out. Thanks for spearheading this. Rob

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    Forget the additional surge tank, if you are building a custom cell, just have them add it to the cell. $131 extra from FuelSafe without any additional hoses/fittings needed. I did that with Rob's. No issues at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    Forget the additional surge tank, if you are building a custom cell, just have them add it to the cell. $131 extra from FuelSafe without any additional hoses/fittings needed. I did that with Rob's. No issues at all.

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    Hi Chad, No, I'm not doing a custom fuel cell. Someday maybe, but not now. Thanks.
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    Your car is taking up space in my garage !!!!
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    Is that an E-brake I see in a race car? please don't use, please don't use....

  32. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Is that an E-brake I see in a race car? please don't use, please don't use....
    It's called a "drift stick" now! All the cool kids have one.

    https://blog.caranddriver.com/fords-...-e-brake-game/

  33. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Your car is taking up space in my garage !!!!
    LOL, MY garage now!

    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRacing View Post
    Is that an E-brake I see in a race car? please don't use, please don't use....
    Only when I've just come off track from a 60 Minute Enduro at Mission would I ever use it!


    Quote Originally Posted by phil1734 View Post
    It's called a "drift stick" now! All the cool kids have one.

    https://blog.caranddriver.com/fords-...-e-brake-game/
    Lol, I hate drift events. I don't get them at all!
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    A few updates:

    Tom has been working on the 818R in "Tony's" Garage......New surge tank located: ..

    New Mishimoto XLine STI Radiator, Battery Box for an EarthX Lithium Battery, & ESS Foam 4.8L Fire Bottle Installed:



    And Fuel Tank Cleaned up and wiring squared away a bit:



    Next up will be fitting a Mishimoto G-Line FMIC, ducting, and the IC tubes.
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    Fmic

    Tom got the Mishimoto G-Line FMIC partly installed so he can mock up the IC piping and radiator/intercooler ducting:


    and



    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
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    Nice progress

  37. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Nice progress
    Tom is doing nice work!

    Lower brace in:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Nice progress
    Mitch do you have some larger images of the front fender mod you posted here?
    http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post300656
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    I did the same thing Hobby Racer did, measured in 2 or 2.5 inches in the front of the door then ran a tape line to the back of the door and cut. What was a little tricky was getting was the bottom of the door right. Masking tape is your friend and measure and eyeball a few times before cutting.
    I had to notch the top of the door a little to clearance the forward down tube and have a nice clean fit.
    I can take some photo's tonight of the finished product, let me know if you are looking for anything in particular. The first door I think I started by taking an inch on the first cur then 1.5 and so on. My concern was a big ugly gap at the back of the door and 1/4 panel. With the amount I moved the front of the door in the rear gap is more than acceptable at least to me.
    Feel free to text or call me at 504 388 4339

    I did find these shots, not sure if these are helpful. body LS with Door.JPG Body RS with door.JPG Door RS.JPG LH Side installed.JPG LS Body Install.JPG
    Last edited by Mitch Wright; 11-28-2017 at 02:04 PM.

  40. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    I did the same thing Hobby Racer did, measured in 2 or 2.5 inches in the front of the door then ran a tape line to the back of the door and cut. What was a little tricky was getting was the bottom of the door right. Masking tape is your friend and measure and eyeball a few times before cutting.
    I had to notch the top of the door a little to clearance the forward down tube and have a nice clean fit.
    I can take some photo's tonight of the finished product, let me know if you are looking for anything in particular. The first door I think I started by taking an inch on the first cur then 1.5 and so on. My concern was a big ugly gap at the back of the door and 1/4 panel. With the amount I moved the front of the door in the rear gap is more than acceptable at least to me.
    Feel free to text or call me at 504 388 4339

    I did find these shots, not sure if these are helpful.
    Thanks! On my screen they are sideways, I'll see if I can fix them and repost.
    ......

    This probably won't work with my FMIC boost tubes, but we'll see.
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