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    Sbhunter’s coyote build

    It’s finally happening!! My brief history is as follows: I was researching kit cars in the early 90’s and became interested in Factory Five. In 1996, I was in Boston for a wedding with my wife and test drove an early roadster with Dave Smith when they were just starting out in Dartmouth if I remember right. How cool was that! I was hooked, went home found an 87 Mustang GT and was getting ready to order and start. Child number 2 delayed my plan. Children numbers 3 and 4 sidelined my plans. I am a small farmer in Indiana and 4 kids necessitated a second full time job to make ends meet. I was a volunteer firefighter and was able to hire on as a career firefighter in Lafayette, IN. Somehow 21 years flew by. This fall my third son started college and I started bugging my wife for the thousandth time about building a ffr roadster. She said go for it and here I am. Over the years I have kept my distance because I have a tendency to become obsessed with projects. I got on their website, read through the complete kit order form, had some questions about this and that, made an appointment to order in person to lock myself into a schedule. Then I discovered the forums. Wow what a lot of good info and a great community! On 11/9, I spent 3 hours with Dan Golub going through the options. Here is what I ended up with.

    Mk4 complete kit
    Powder coated frame
    4x1x4 headers
    Full IRS
    Auto meter gauge set
    Sway bars
    12.88” Wilwoods on both ends in black
    Wind wings
    Dash support
    Leather wheel
    Coyote kit
    Etc.

    Coyote and tko500 kit is ordered. I will have details on this soon. Waiting for permission to say where I got it!

    This is the plan.

    Power steering, ask ffr about part #16473 guys, I hope it’s going to be great
    Manual brakes
    Hydraulic clutch
    Heater and foot box vents
    KIRKEY highback seats without the shoulder bolsters
    Single custom roll bar that is full width
    Boig or gas N pipes
    Mid shifter
    Drop trunk
    Herb’s door panels
    Front battery
    Breeze radiator surround and mounts
    Custom wheels in 17”
    Russ Thompson turn signal stalk
    Seat heaters
    Trunk cubby and custom glove box around the dash supports

    My plan is to powdercoat everything black including the windshield frame, all trim rings, pipes and wheels. Paint color will some variation of dark cherry red with shadow stripes. Projected completion date of the kit is 12/23 and I will pick it up in person in early January. I have a fair size farm shop that is well stocked with tools and a lift.

    Questions for the readers:
    Are the ball joints worth replacing right out of the gate?
    I am considering a fuel cell but can’t justify ffr’s price for their competition version. Anyone found a better option?
    What small pieces and parts do you all end up ordering and waiting for? I’d like to have as much as possible on hand when I start so I’m not waiting on UPS for much.

    I’m headed to the shop to start building the body buck and a frame dolly. More soon.

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    Sounds like a great plan. Enjoy the build. Look forward to following along.
    I was not pleased with the FFR power steering kit for the coyote. Talked about it with pictures in my build thread. May be worth a look to you. Thread linked in my signature and index in post #1 will direct you to the posts on that subject.
    The forum is a great resource. Lots of great experience here to help you out whenever you need it.
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    Congrats on your order. Should be a great build. Couple of comments.

    Why the TKO500 vs. 600? The TKO600 is by far the most common choice for these builds. Granted you don't need the extra strength of the TKO600. But for most the ratios of the 600 work out a little better. You didn't list which IRS ratio you selected. That's a big part of the discussion. If you do go with the 500, make sure to get the TCET5201 version. It has the proper 1/8 in. 26-spline input that matches with most Coyote compatible clutches.

    Regarding the fuel cell, not too much I can add over what I said in the other thread you had on the subject. Fuel cells by definition are intended for competition use. FF's version is pricey and so is everyone else's. The trunk mod you mention won't be possible with the usual size fuel cell. Plus it will change your filler. In the trunk vs. the LeMans cap. Also will affect your fuel pump, gauge sender, and likely other things I don't know about.

    Regarding the ball joint question, assume you're talking about the front uppers. For some time the kit has been supplied with Mevotech upper ball joints. Many, including me, have struggled to get them to thread into the UCA's. But your experience may vary. Many are able to get them to thread in after take some steel wool or a wire brush to them. Alternate ball joints (Moog, Howe, etc.) may perhaps be better, but probably not worth considering if you're able to get the kit ones to work.

    Finally, for your last point regarding buying stuff ahead of time, I'd wait. There's plenty to do when your kit arrives (inventory, etc.) plus you won't know until it arrives what back order parts you have. Every delivery has some. What you're able to start right away kind of depends on what that list looks like. Good luck!
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    Wareaglescott, your build thread is actually the first one I read all the way through. It took me 3 days! Fantastic info and documentation. I will be referencing it during my build. Your concerns prompted me to discuss the rack with Dan. I left your name out. He assured me that all is better now and they are offering it as a complete kit including the krc pump with reservoir and all fittings. We will see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    Wareaglescott, your build thread is actually the first one I read all the way through. It took me 3 days! Fantastic info and documentation. I will be referencing it during my build. Your concerns prompted me to discuss the rack with Dan. I left your name out. He assured me that all is better now and they are offering it as a complete kit including the krc pump with reservoir and all fittings. We will see how it goes.
    Cool! I was not aware they had upgraded the power steering kit to include better components. That sounds like it should be a good option then.
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    Hey Scott,
    Great to talk with you last week! I was just thinking of you today and wondering how your trip went---sounds like you have it all pretty well sorted out!

    Ball joints; Personally I've not had any problem installing the supplied pieces after wire wheeling the cosmoline like schmutz (that's the actual technical name for it ) from the threads.

    Talk to you later,
    Jeff

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    Sounds like a great plan and I sure can relate to how having 4 kids puts plans on the back burner.

    I am similar in liking to have things on hand that I will need. Some things you will need to have your kit for though. Example the radiator fan shroud. The kit could come with either of the two versions of the radiator. It will most likely be the 'modern' one that FFR has their own source for but could be the other.

    If you are going to follow the lead of those who have done this journey before and some like Paul 3 times here is the list of stuff I tried to get ahead of time and some will be good Christmas wish list items.
    Stainless Rivnuts and an assortment of button head screws and the tool of your choosing to install the rivnuts. An organizer for these parts.
    From Papa I stole the idea and got an organizer for the rivets - the dewalt 10 compartment deep pro small parts organizer has been great. I also got organizers for the clecos and rivnuts and screws... these make great gift ideas to give out.

    POR 15 and the cleaner and prep solution. Might as well get a spare quart can as I have tried twice now and by the time I am done getting the lid off the original POR can it is in such bad shape that I just used a new can.
    1/8 and 3/16 clecos and the tool if you don't already have them
    I found and got a pack of stubby size 30 drill bits the optimal size of 1/8" rivets. 12 pack was $12 I expect I might use 2 for the whole build.
    Nut and bolt thread checker and size gauge. I have the plastic one and this one and use them both https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Lots of the parts are laser cut and have sharp edges. I got a pair of rubberized cut resistant gloves from my local big box for handling these parts until I could knock off those sharp edges or just to work with them if I cant be bothered to knock off the edges. The steel parts have the worst little blood releasers on them
    A couple rolls of the blue tape to cover areas and help protect from tool bangs and drops on the powder coat.

    That's all I can think of off the top of my head. As Paul suggested it is good to wait until you have the kit for options parts. Sounds like you have a well equipped shop so you should be good there.

    My only other suggestion is I have a spreadsheet I called tips and tricks. As I read through build threads and other discussions I grab the ideas and put them in my spreadsheet. I really need to do the next step now and that is take those jewels and put the notes right in the manual where they belong.

    Now that your order is in, this time is one of the hardest parts. The wait until completion date.
    Ron
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    Congratulations, and welcome to the family!! Looks like you already have the heavy hitters on your side: EdwardB, Jeff Kleiner, WarEagleScott. There are a lot of really great people on this forum who will help you as you progress. Sounds like you have a really solid build plan. My build has similar components, and I can tell you that you will love it!! Enjoy the process. Let us know if we can be of assistance.
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    I hate to ask because I feel lazy doing it. Can someone send me link on how to post pics, pdf’s, etc on this thread please. I use an iPad for most reading and posting if that makes a difference.

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    Test on pictures. Wheels I am planning on using. Haven’t decided yet whether to powdercoat all black or have the polished part painted body color. I found this seat on Kirkey’s website. It is the same lower dimensions as the low back racing seat and is available in 17” width.

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    I guess that worked but they are small images. Small victories! I like the high back seats but don’t care for the shoulder bolsters. I believe these will work. If anyone has info otherwise, please let me know.

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    This is a new part number according to Dan. The first number listed is the whole kit. It is supposed to be everything needed to complete a power steering install with their rack and a coyote motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
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    Test on pictures. Wheels I am planning on using. Haven’t decided yet whether to powdercoat all black or have the polished part painted body color. I found this seat on Kirkey’s website. It is the same lower dimensions as the low back racing seat and is available in 17” width.
    Nice looking rims. I think this style, no matter what color, always looks great on roadsters
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    I hate to ask because I feel lazy doing it. Can someone send me link on how to post pics, pdf’s, etc on this thread please. I use an iPad for most reading and posting if that makes a difference.
    I post my pictures to Flickr, then share them on here. I tried using the photo album feature on this site and on Flickr. I decided to go with Flickr because it seems faster and I think it does a good job keeping details in the photos when it compresses them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
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    This is a new part number according to Dan. The first number listed is the whole kit. It is supposed to be everything needed to complete a power steering install with their rack and a coyote motor.
    That certainly looks like an upgrade compared to the complete power steering kit that they have offered for the past year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
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    Test on pictures. Wheels I am planning on using. Haven’t decided yet whether to powdercoat all black or have the polished part painted body color. I found this seat on Kirkey’s website. It is the same lower dimensions as the low back racing seat and is available in 17” width.

    Those seats will work great because you won't have to bend the upper bolsters around the body. I discovered those to late in the game to make the switch. When I was looking Summit had a good price. I know the 17" width will fit in MK4. Will be tight at the base but it will work.

    Summit also sells a lumbar support for those seats that I found greatly increased the comfort and some nice mounting brackets as well that allow you to mount with some recline. Both of those are made by Kirkey as well.
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    This is the most interesting item from my visit. Dave Smith has a new company named “Factory Five AT”. That company is selling a complete coyote/TKO600 setup with all pieces and parts to complete the install. It includes the Moroso oil pan, McLeod clutch setup, fuel pump, KN air cleaner, etc. They even have have there own cnc cut and bent engine cradle and plates for the engine hoist. The price was very competitive. I am still working on some of the details like which version of tko600. This is the spec sheet they sent me.
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    It can ship with the kit.

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    Good luck on the build. I like all the added extras you are putting on. Like you, I'm trying to get all my pieces and parts ordered up in advance. It just feels better to me that way. My limited experience though has put some caution in there as well. As I'm going through everything and keep reading these forums ( I curse all you guys with all your great ideas! My checking account can't keep up!!) I keep finding other little things I want to do. In the end, I truly want something that's mine and a car I can pass along to my son so I'm always looking at upgrades wherever I can find them. I'm going to keep dropping in and checking on your progress!

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    SBHunter,

    Looks like you're off to a good start with lots of good advice! I echo everything RRRose says about tools. I also seem to use my angle grinder A LOT, drill press, battery powered impact wrench and drill. Also MIG welder, but I've been modifying the trunk... I have a 10000lb ATLAS lift which is saving my back, I'm sure as a farmer you have room for something like that. Mine cost $1800, well worth it given I think this build will take me close to 2years to complete.

    Your rims look great. I wish I had thought about something like that...

    Finally, I am using a MAC book to post and I upload my photos into the "gallery" from a dropbox account. I have to rotate them 4 times before I upload them to get them to orient properly.

    cheers,

    Mark

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    I like your wheels....



    I went with the anthracite since the car will be based in grey.

    When I ordered my Kirkeys, Summit accidently sent me a pair of the drag seats, like you have pictured. I tried them on without any covers, but found I like having the shoulder supports.
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    Boydster, those wheels look great on your car and will be perfect with a grey based paint scheme. Are those 17”? That is what I’m planning on. I like the tire aspect to rim ratio of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    Boydster, those wheels look great on your car and will be perfect with a grey based paint scheme. Are those 17”? That is what I’m planning on. I like the tire aspect to rim ratio of yours.
    Yes, they are the 17x9 front and 17x10.5 rear. Bought them from Summit.

    Tires are NT05's, 255/40-17 and 315/35-17.

    I like how they are not Oring tires, but not billboards, either. Some new tech mixed with some old school.

    Keep up the good work.
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    Here is my next question for the experts. I am going to order my wheels today so I can get them powdercoated and have them for fitment. I don’t get the kit till January and it seems to take a year to build these cars in general. Does anyone worry about age of the tires. I am not planning on ordering the tires till I’m closer to go cart stage.

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    Hey Scott,
    It's tempting to get tires early since the rolling chassis looks so cool sitting on it's rubber but I tend to side with the school of thought that says wait until closer to the time you actually need them; (A) because of age even though it isn't a tremendous factor if they aren't exposed to temperature extremes and UV light and (B) because new and potentially better products are coming to market all the time (I'd wager that there were more than a few cars under construction that were sitting on Nitto 555s which had never rolled more than a few feet when the next generation 555-G2 was introduced).

    Cheers,
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    I ordered one of Kirkey’s 41700 seats from summit with the black vinyl cover to see how I would like it. It is a 17” wide seat similar to ffr highback but without the shoulder bolsters. It showed up last night and I snapped the cover in and spent an hour sitting in it on the living room floor. I then asked my loving wife of 23 years to try it as well before I ordered the match for her. She thought I was loosing it at that point but complied and agreed that it was very comfortable. I considered the tweed cover for appearance and comfort in heat but went with vinyl for when not if it gets rained on. I have been studying powder coating various panels from other build threads. I like the way the black looks in the engine compartment but I am concerned with heat transfer into the passenger compartment and being able to see around the engine when assembled. Can someone share their opinions on that. I currently think I will just clean the engine side and leave it or coat it with a light colored heat reflective something? I have decided not to coat any other panels because I will be covering them with insulation and carpet on top and bedliner on the bottom of the entire car including body. I read Wallace18’s build threads yesterday. I really like the extra panels in the wheel wells for rock protection to the body and the finished look. Does anyone make these for sale? I also just finished Jazzman’s thread. Absolutely stunning car and fantastic detail in the thread. I really like the brake lights in the roll bars. I am planning on a single full width bar and am going to copy that one. I have been saving EdwardB’s thread for awhile. I am starting on it today as the gold standard for detail based on others comments and will be making notes in my build manual as I read. One more question for the experts. I have been looking at the various versions on parking brake handles. I am not going to use the ffr setup. Has anyone just used a line lock setup for their parking brake? I am aware that it would depend on fluid pressure to maintain the brake. I’m not sure what the laws are on this. As always, all opinions are welcome and desired.

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    Heat transfer and insulation gets a lot of bandwidth on the forums. Everyone has their favorite “I rode in a Cobra and burned my feet…” story. Here’s my take FWIW. You don’t mention what you’re planning to do on the inside of the cockpit. My experience is that adequate insulation on the inside (Dynamat, Lizard Skin, whatever, there are a bunch of options) plus carpet will make heat transfer a non-issue. I’ve done panels in silver, black, and white (all powder coat) and haven’t noticed any difference. Of much greater importance is to seal off all air penetration. That’s where you can really heat up the footboxes and/or cockpit. Some like the looks of heat shields. But I have zero regret not having them on any of my builds. We’ve done multiple higher mileage cruises, and get done in by heat from the sun. Not the interior of the car. The other comment I’ll make about your build is since you’ve already selected the Coyote, you’ll find it does a really excellent job of controlling underhood temp. Whether it’s because it’s all aluminum, how it’s cooled, or how the combustion is so well controlled (probably some of each) I’ve been amazed how controlled the temps are. My #8674 build with the Coyote, insulation and carpet in the cockpit, and tightly sealed engine compartment, can be driven for hours on a hot day with no heat transfer issues.

    I like powder coating a lot, and have done 100% powder coating on all panels on each of my builds. That’s absolutely a personal choice and lots of guys choose other methods or don’t do anything. The cost of powder coating seems to vary a bit from region to region. But for where I live, I can get everything done for in the $700-800-900 range. That’s a relatively small amount of the entire build budget, saves a ton of my time compared to something I might do myself, and the final results look great and are along lasting. I’ve used two different companies, and in both cases the price was the same whether I did both sides or only selective sides. Whatever material cost savings there might be are apparently washed out by the increased labor/handling. As far as the underside, I personally want the finished look of the powder coated panels. In multiple seasons, thousands of miles, and three builds (mostly on not to great Michigan roads) I’ve yet to have as much as a scratch on the underside from road debris or whatever. Undercoat the whole bottom if you want. But I’m not sure what it does for you. Assuming you’re not planning any off-roading. Now the wheel wells and splash guards are a whole different story. You want the underside of the body in the wheel wells and the tire side of the splash guards heavily coated. I use truck bedliner, like many. The tires kick up just about everything they run over. So obviously important to have those areas protected.

    For the wheel well liners, lots of guys use these: http://acroadsterinteriors.com/Fenderliners.html. I’ve seen them installed in person, and they’re nice. Give good protection plus gives a clean look. But personally I find them a bit expensive for what they are. Plus I’ve found that while the wheel wells don’t look too great while you’re building, once those big meats are installed and it’s sitting on the ground, you really can’t see much else. Especially if you coat the splash guards and body as I mentioned already. The good thing is these can easily be added after your build is done. A conservative approach would be to complete the build and then see if you really think you need them.

    Why aren’t you planning to use the FFR e-brake setup? For the Wilwoods you list in your build plan, they have the separate e-brake puck and take very little handle movement to lock. The Wilwood separate e-brake is only cable operated. Hydraulic wouldn’t work for it, e.g. the line lock you mention. You’re paying big bucks for that setup. Not sure why you’d not want to use it. I find the setup works very well. Many comment they can’t reach the e-brake handle in the stock position. I’m very average in size, and I can reach it OK.
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    Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Delivered 12/2/2017. #59 Coupe Build Thread

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    I will be installing some type of mat under the carpet and throughout the interior. Have not selected exactly what yet. The wheel well liners are just what I as searching for. Thank you edwardb once again. I do not like the look of the ebrake handles that I’ve seen or most of the locations. Yes, I would be wasting the ebrake part of the wilwood if I used a line lock. I will have to make that decision after I start looking at it. Possibly a foot applied (I know, box is tight already), or insetting the handle into the tunnel somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    I do not like the look of the ebrake handles that I’ve seen or most of the locations. Yes, I would be wasting the ebrake part of the wilwood if I used a line lock. I will have to make that decision after I start looking at it. Possibly a foot applied (I know, box is tight already), or insetting the handle into the tunnel somehow.
    Big trade-offs there IMO. I don't have particularly big feet, but no way I would give away precious space in the DS footbox. Let alone what might be required to get the cables routed out of there. Maybe something like this would give you the hidden actuation you're looking for and still use the excellent Wilwood setup. https://www.estopp.com/how-to. I personally don't have experience with it. But several on the forums have and apparently it works quite well.
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    Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Delivered 12/2/2017. #59 Coupe Build Thread

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    Okay, the waiting game is officially getting to me. My projected completion date is 12/23 and I haven’t heard from FFR. Is that normal? I think I will call Monday just to check in. I have filled my time ordering needed parts. I think I ordered one of everything from Breeze! I ordered a full set of LED lights from Watson’s. I finished the body buck and frame dolly. I have changed course on picking up the kit and am going to have Stewart deliver it. It came to my attention that if I pick it up, I would have to pay sales tax on the parts. The tax and the shipping cost are basically the same number and Stewart says they can get it to me by the 7th of January if the completion date holds true. I found a powdercoater that is only 20 minutes from my house. He ended up being hunting buddies with my brother in laws dad. Small world out here in the sticks. He does excellent work and has a color pallet of 70 colors!!

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    I hesitate posting this but I thought this crowd would appreciate it. The fire department that I am on is replacing the truck that I am an officer on. I was asked to be on the build committee. I just got back from a 3 day trip to Pierce manufacturing in Appleton, WI. Anyone that thinks spec’ing out one of these cars is a lot of choices has nothing on that trip. We are getting a custom chassis heavy rescue and the process is daunting and eye opening. We start out by deciding the length of the cab and interior height and length of the box and go from there. It takes 3 full days to go through the options. When we ask for something specific, an engineer takes the info, does calculations and drawings, then comes back and shows us how and if it will work. We ended up with a 5 man cab and a 21’ box that will have 9 roll up doors with slide out trays to hold our specific tools and equipment. It takes 10 months to build mostly by hand and has a projected cost of $680,000!! I did learn how to apply gold leaf while I was there. Maybe I could incorporate that on the roadster somehow, hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    Okay, the waiting game is officially getting to me. My projected completion date is 12/23 and I haven’t heard from FFR. Is that normal? I think I will call Monday just to check in. I have filled my time ordering needed parts. I think I ordered one of everything from Breeze! I ordered a full set of LED lights from Watson’s. I finished the body buck and frame dolly. I have changed course on picking up the kit and am going to have Stewart deliver it. It came to my attention that if I pick it up, I would have to pay sales tax on the parts. The tax and the shipping cost are basically the same number and Stewart says they can get it to me by the 7th of January if the completion date holds true. I found a powdercoater that is only 20 minutes from my house. He ended up being hunting buddies with my brother in laws dad. Small world out here in the sticks. He does excellent work and has a color pallet of 70 colors!!
    You should have heard from Factory Five a couple of weeks before your completion date to confirm your final configuration and arrange for final payment. Are you saying that didn't happen?

    Yes they collect Massachusetts sales tax now for factory pickups. Most states have reciprocal agreements and you would get credit for the sales tax paid when you apply for your state's title. No love if it's less than MA's 6.25% though.
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    I confirmed my final order and payment has been sent. Stewart Transport on schedule to deliver my kit on 1/7. I made my first trip to powdercoat yesterday. I took the wheels, seats, and some various brackets. All will be gloss black.DD7B831E-0232-4487-8088-AFBFDD41515F.jpeg843DB2D9-148E-4C67-8FD0-762F983386B8.jpegAD3FAB50-C1EB-4F54-9D16-41A268DEC749.jpeg47442AE1-1413-49BA-81E9-F49C11D95B2E.jpegi am doing the seat because the back and side will be visible.

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    Obviously I need to spend the time to figure out how to post pics. The seat pic and the frame dolly pic turned when I uploaded them which distorted the picture. I prepared the seat frame for powdercoat by drilling out the rivets that held the snaps and removing all the stickers. I have started on installing the seat heater pads into the vinyl covers and have a set of lumbar supports that I’m still undecided on. I got them from summit and they are too thick. I will shave one slowly until it feels right then copy it for the passenger side.

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    I received my kit Friday morning from Stewart Transport. It was a balmy 6 degrees below zero during unload. I spent the rest of Friday and all Saturday unpacking and checking in inventory. Unfortunately, the back order list is extensive. I will attempt to post pics soon. I have switched to posting with a MacBook. I have the pics transferred to it but need a program to resize and edit them before they can be posted. I have a forklift and Factory Five packaged the boxes on pallets so unloading the boxes did not take very long. The electric hydraulic crane on the semi would barely work due to the temp. It took 20 minutes to lower the car from the rack to my dolly. The driver (Joe) was not impressed with the temperature!!

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    Man, that's some cold weather to unload in. I'm sure the excitement level was still high!

    I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I use Flickr for photo posting. The thing I like about it most is that you upload your pics to Flickr, and then when you go to share them it gives you options of the size of the picture you want to share, it automatically resizes the picture for you. No outside program needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    I received my kit Friday morning from Stewart Transport. It was a balmy 6 degrees below zero during unload. I spent the rest of Friday and all Saturday unpacking and checking in inventory. Unfortunately, the back order list is extensive. I will attempt to post pics soon. I have switched to posting with a MacBook. I have the pics transferred to it but need a program to resize and edit them before they can be posted. I have a forklift and Factory Five packaged the boxes on pallets so unloading the boxes did not take very long. The electric hydraulic crane on the semi would barely work due to the temp. It took 20 minutes to lower the car from the rack to my dolly. The driver (Joe) was not impressed with the temperature!!
    Congrats on the delivery.
    I use a mac for my posting also. To change the size I found it easiest to just email myself the ones I wanted from my iPhone. When you send a photo from your phone it allows you to select the size before sending. I would just select small or medium and boom it would be the proper size for upload. I am sure there is a better method but that one worked for me. Look forward to seeing some build pics soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    I received my kit Friday morning from Stewart Transport. It was a balmy 6 degrees below zero during unload. I spent the rest of Friday and all Saturday unpacking and checking in inventory. Unfortunately, the back order list is extensive. I will attempt to post pics soon. I have switched to posting with a MacBook. I have the pics transferred to it but need a program to resize and edit them before they can be posted. I have a forklift and Factory Five packaged the boxes on pallets so unloading the boxes did not take very long. The electric hydraulic crane on the semi would barely work due to the temp. It took 20 minutes to lower the car from the rack to my dolly. The driver (Joe) was not impressed with the temperature!!
    Congrats on the delivery!! I can't believe that temperature. You don't want to know how nice it was here!! You are really going to enjoy the process. Just my opinion, but I have been very pleased with uploading my photos directly into the photo system on this forum. I have seen quite a lot of older posts where the outside photo storage program (think PhotoBucket or Flickr) has problems or the subscription is not maintained. When that happens, the photos don't show up in your threads. Upload to this forum, it's free, and you know it will work. Every time, all the time. IF you need help getting started with uploading photos, please do not hesitate to ask.
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    Glad to hear it has arrived Scott! Sounds alot like my delivery 11 years ago on the Monday after the Colts won the Superbowl...coldest day of the year at -5. Stewart driver Dennis and his wife Jo called me Sunday evening and asked if I'd mind if they pushed my delivery to Monday so that they could get a room and watch the game. No problem sez me. Didn't turn out so good for them though when their truck gelled up in the sub zero cold overnight and it took them 6 hours to get it going Monday. Like your driver they weren't impressed with the temperature!

    Jeff

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    Congrats on receipt of the kit. Good luck! I find myself complaining here when my garage gets down into the 50's. I'm glad I'm out of the midwest and away from those very cold temps!!! They take the fun out of everything!
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    -6 degrees

    It is in the shop!!

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