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    Non-Ford engines???

    Anybody build one of these with something other than a Ford small block/Coyote??? Don't get me wrong, they're great engines, but just because that's what Shelby used in the original, doesn't mean we all need to... just curious is all...

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    A Chevy LS should take up less space than a modern Ford Coyote which we do know fits. Plenty of other small block Chevy, small block Ford, etc will fit... even inline-6's and maybe compact V6TT like the Ecoboost should fit. You'd need to figure out the motor mount and exhaust situation, but completely do-able.

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    2jz ?
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    Although it's not an FRR Coupe, Peter Brock drives a Superformance Peter Brock Special coupe regularly that has an LS motor in it.

    If the guy who designed the car can have Chevy power I don't see why you can't. The LS is a really compact engine.

    The V6 EcoBoost is just as wide as a Coyote and will have more plumbing for the intercooler, etc. to worry about, but they did put one in an FFR 33 Hotrod a couple years ago.

    An inline 6 would have a little more side room, but would be tighter up to the radiator, and thats kinda tight already.

    Anything can be done though, if you try.

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    The LS can be adapted to the stock Factory Five engine mounts where the Small Block Chevy for a MK-4 will require new mounts that must be moved forward.
    The new Daytona, well I've got no clue what you would need to do, but the LS does pack a big punch with a very minimal footprint.
    If you don't have a driveline sitting around, then I'd go with a SBF with a TKO-600 behind it since I'm not a Coyote fan.
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    The advantage that I was after when I chose an LS3 was good fuel mileage in addition to 430hp from the same mild cam in a stock corvette. I get 20 mpg in town and about 23 on the highway - not near as good as a corvette on the highway, due to a lower gear that runs 2000 rpm at 75mph and far worse aerodynamics. Of course, you can move up to hot cammed 525hp version of the engine too, or go all the way to a 650 hp LT4.

    Installing a modern fuel injected engine is really quite simple. It's all plug and play. If you get Speedhut Freedom gages, only two wires from the OBD system run all of the gages, except the fuel level, that needs it's own two wires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    2jz ?
    I was actually kinda thinking an RB26 would be pretty bad *** in one of these...

    Or a small twin turbo L33...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDadGo View Post
    Damn, that's $$$$$$$$$$!

    But I'm on the dark side too, gonna have to pry my SBC from my cold, dead... oh wait, that's wrong forum..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRacer View Post
    Damn, that's $$$$$$$$$$!

    But I'm on the dark side too, gonna have to pry my SBC from my cold, dead... oh wait, that's wrong forum..
    I too am a huge fan of the SBC, but finding new old stock ZF-6 Speeds are drying up so the T56 is the next best thing plus the LS makes some crazy power.
    Hummmmm, can I still claim to be on the Dark Side now that my car will soon be on the Dart Side?
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    The LS3 / T56 would be an AWESOME combo in that little car. The more I look at these cars the more I want one. I may have to sell my hot rod after it's done and start a new project with LS power. But how about twin turbo? I mean since I'll have to fab a custom exhaust anyway why not go big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAZ View Post
    The LS3 / T56 would be an AWESOME combo in that little car. The more I look at these cars the more I want one. I may have to sell my hot rod after it's done and start a new project with LS power. But how about twin turbo? I mean since I'll have to fab a custom exhaust anyway why not go big.
    Quote Originally Posted by fastfox View Post
    I was actually kinda thinking an RB26 would be pretty bad *** in one of these...

    Or a small twin turbo L33...
    LS motors seem to LOVE boost. I was thinking an L33 (aluminum block 5.3) with a couple 58-64mm turbos making around 750-800 whp would be pretty stupid. (stupid fun)

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    800 RWHP -- now you got my attention. Crazy stupid fun for sure. Just what I need. I'm not even done with the current project and you got me thinking about the next. Now that's crazy.

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    Would have to run an aftermarket ecu with a good traction control scheme. I would probably lean towards MegaSquirt, cheap and it works good. No way you could hook up all that power at low speed.

    While I was at it, maybe run a 6L80 trans? Could set up paddle shifters...

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    The 6L80E is significantly larger than a 4L60-75 series. Of course it's no different at the bell housing, but the trans is wide, all the way back to the drive shaft flange. For that reason you never see one put in a car with a narrow interior, like a car from the 30's or 40's that all had running boards and narrow interiors. They are installed in later model muscle cars, but the floor is still going to need some mods.

    The first gear ratio is also very low, so modern high performance cars usually run a 2.56 or 2.73 rear end gear.

    The low first gear works great when they put the trans in a truck.


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    There have been a few built with LS engines that I'm aware of. A fellow named Dave L. in California built a twin-turbo LS-powered coupe about 4 years ago; his detailed build thread is buried way back in the forum. Mike M. also built one with a naturally-aspirated LS and did a lot of autocrossing with it. I haven't seen Mike comment on this board for a few years, but I recall he really liked the setup and had good results autocrossing it. And J.C's Gen II race coupe with an LS engine can be seen in a lot of posts and an old build thread; he has also had good results racing it. Also, many years ago there was a guy who put a Buick Grand National V6 in an FFR Spyder.

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    Hmmm. Aluminum Block Helltona?? Just money. Viper differential?? Just Blasphemy to build with a non ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfox View Post
    LS motors seem to LOVE boost. I was thinking an L33 (aluminum block 5.3) with a couple 58-64mm turbos making around 750-800 whp would be pretty stupid. (stupid fun)
    well my little twin is pretty silly.... the RB26 would be different...and I think you could make it look really cool in there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    well my little twin is pretty silly.... the RB26 would be different...and I think you could make it look really cool in there
    Just read through your build, NICE job! When do we get to see video of you WORKING it?

    Off topic, when were you with the 101st? I was in the 502d when we invaded Iraq...

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    I did 3 tours with 101st 94-97 99-02 03-06 all with 9-101

    A video of me actually working on it...I would have to do it in slow-mo ... not sure you could see me at normal speed
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    FFR 818S, The Flash, Chassis #5, 2.0L, LSD, Electromotive TEC-S, VCP Tuned, 278RWHP 265 RWTQ

    FFR 6651, Green Lantern, 408W Crate, Hellion 66mm Turbo, JGS Waste gate / Blowoff valve, Tec-GT management, VCP Tuned, 575 RWHP, 690 RWTQ

    FFR 8335, Black Mamba, 289 FIA CSX 2001 tribute car, 347, 48 IDA webers, VCP Tuned, 311 RWHP 386 RWTQ, 3-link, Trigo's

    FFR 0004, Gen 3 , Hawk Coupe, Coyote twin turbo, 683 RWHP 559 RWTQ, IRS, VCP Tuned. "not too shabby"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    I did 3 tours with 101st 94-97 99-02 03-06 all with 9-101

    A video of me actually working on it...I would have to do it in slow-mo ... not sure you could see me at normal speed
    Well, we were there at the same time twice! I was there 00-04.

    I meant a video of aggressive driving. Flogging it a bit. See what it can do. Maybe another trip to the test area at the base??

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    Oh.. yeah.. been really cold and I can't past 1/3 throttle... Just passed 200 miles so the car gets a full once over... which I finished... also have a photo shoot tomorrow... so trying to keep it clean...there will be videos coming for sure
    FFR 1879, Blown DSS 306,REDLINE management, VeryCoolParts Tuned 460RWHP

    FFR 818S, The Flash, Chassis #5, 2.0L, LSD, Electromotive TEC-S, VCP Tuned, 278RWHP 265 RWTQ

    FFR 6651, Green Lantern, 408W Crate, Hellion 66mm Turbo, JGS Waste gate / Blowoff valve, Tec-GT management, VCP Tuned, 575 RWHP, 690 RWTQ

    FFR 8335, Black Mamba, 289 FIA CSX 2001 tribute car, 347, 48 IDA webers, VCP Tuned, 311 RWHP 386 RWTQ, 3-link, Trigo's

    FFR 0004, Gen 3 , Hawk Coupe, Coyote twin turbo, 683 RWHP 559 RWTQ, IRS, VCP Tuned. "not too shabby"

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    I decided to go the LS route. I wanted a light and well balanced combination that packed plenty of punch. Plus I've pretty well built a name and business around the LS platform, so it was a no brainer. My combo is a 347 cubic inch LS1, 12.1:1 compression, CNC'd 241 castings, and a single plane intake. I'll be tuning it the flex fuel route with both pump gas and E85 for giggles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erlihemi View Post
    Just Blasphemy to build with a non ford.
    Thank God I'll Rot In Hecccckkkk!

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    I’d love to put the Ford Ecoboost V6 in the coupe. Something different, and adequate power for my purposes. But it looks like the turbos sit low on the block making it very wide down low. Not much room for feet! The plumbing for the intercoolers would be a challenge. And it might be hard to find enough airflow for them.
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    LS2 with the 6 speed in mine, its great. 408/410 HP/torque at the tire, half the cost and weight of a coyote. Yep shes a bit lumpy at idle and that's pretty cool. 26 mpg HWY with the overdrive (1700 RPM at 80 mph). That's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plschulten View Post
    LS2 with the 6 speed in mine, its great. 408/410 HP/torque at the tire, half the cost and weight of a coyote. Yep shes a bit lumpy at idle and that's pretty cool. 26 mpg HWY with the overdrive (1700 RPM at 80 mph). That's right.
    Come on now... Half the weight of a Coyote? I guess if the LS2 is filled with helium and the Coyote has an anchor tied to it. They're both in the 450 lbs range. Maybe a little bit of a difference one way or the other, but not half. Cost also not half. But I guess hyperbole is the name of the game here.
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    Probably 3/4ths the weight, not 1/2.

    Here's the best option for a Ford Looking LS for those wanting the best of both worlds.
    You just need some generic valve covers and a couple of Blue Oval Ford emblems.

    https://paceperformance.com/i-238424...ve-covers.html


    NOTE:... Best of both worlds as defined by yours truly is Power vs Under Hood Footprint.
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    Believe it or not, there's only about 15-20 lbs difference between the two engines. Their size is very deceiving when it comes to estimating weight. The Coyote is around 5 inches wider than the LS platform.

    The Coyote didn't appeal to me because of it's size, the cost sucks, and I'm fairly certain Ford operating systems are autistic. Not to mention to awkward downward angle of the header flanges make working on them unfriendly. Ford also clipped their own nuts again with that stupid 3.9" bore spacing. So the only way to get any displacement out of them is to go undersquare with a long stroke which doesn't have any place in a performance application like mine. The winning combo on a racetrack for my use is going to be an oversquare bore/stroke combo (bigger bore) and RPM, all of which the LS is perfectly suited for the application.
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    If you want a correct vintage look on an LS, I used these valve covers

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