2024 Mustang / Gen 4 Coyote

[edwardb]

Tonight at the North American Auto Show in Detroit, Ford introduced the seventh generation 2024 Mustang. While no details were given, it will be offered with a turbocharged four and a "Gen 4 Coyote." Those specific words were mentioned. Said it would be the most powerful normally aspirated Coyote yet, and various mentions of 480 and 500 HP. Oh good... more Coyote changes to sort through. News article with a linked video and gallery. No underhood shots. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ow/8004452001/.

Wonder how long it will take to get a crate version? I suspect it will be like previous gens, where the engine assembly factory switched over to the new version (may have already...) and Ford Performance buys a batch of the older ones for the transition.

One sidenote: Much attention given that it would still be offered with a manual transmission. Said it would be mated with a transmission from Tremec. That's a departure, right? They were from Z-F before. Without the greatest reputation. Interesting.

[Al_C]

I'm just getting used to a GenII...

[rthomas98]

Wonder how long it will take to get a crate version? I suspect it will be like previous gens, where the engine assembly factory switched over to the new version (may have already...) and Ford Performance buys a batch of the older ones for the transition.

They haven't switched yet. Essex is still running current Gen. But typically, in normal times, it is 1 year after production release is when the crate engines become available. Given the supply situation could be longer.

[Alan_C]

I watched the press video of the reveal. The manual transmission was listed as the MT-82, no change. The 10-speed automatic is also a carry over. One interesting comments was the there is some kind of new security protocol that prevents the PCM from being modified by a OBDII tuner. I am sure there will be more info on that once the car is available to the public.

[edwardb]

They haven't switched yet. Essex is still running current Gen. But typically, in normal times, it is 1 year after production release is when the crate engines become available. Given the supply situation could be longer.

I was able to get my Gen 3 Coyote crate in August 2018. Was literally the first one sold by Ford Performance. So roughly one year after the 2018 Mustang went into production in 2017. So your one year or slightly more timeline is about what I experienced. I know from talking to the guys at Ford Performance it was paced by development and testing of the crate motor specific PCM calibration. When I made my first post about the 2024 Mustang, didn't understand it was still about a year away from release. Makes sense the engine plant would still be building the Gen 3's. Looks like the Gen 4 is at least two years or more our for us.

I watched the press video of the reveal. The manual transmission was listed as the MT-82, no change...

That's weird. I could have sworn the announcer on the hour long introduction video said Tremec. Either he slipped up or I heard it wrong. Makes more sense they'd stick with the MT-82.

[q4stix]

That's weird. I could have sworn the announcer on the hour long introduction video said Tremec. Either he slipped up or I heard it wrong. Makes more sense they'd stick with the MT-82.

I think it's a matter of the normal versus track car similar to the GT using the MT-82 and the GT350 version using the TR-3160. I believe the rumor is effectively the GT350 transmission replacement (as least from what I've been seeing pop up in my news feed)

[racingandfishing]

It will be interesting to see if Ford Performance offers both versions of the Gen 4 motor.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...ngine-details/

[JohnK]

It will be interesting to see if Ford Performance offers both versions of the Gen 4 motor.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...ngine-details/

Thanks for that link. Some interesting tidbits in there. The dual 80mm throttle bodies will be, uh... interesting to try to package in a roadster. There's barely enough room for a single 90 degree intake elbow on the gen1/2/3 engines. That engine cover does look a lot more crate-engine friendly than the gen3 cover.

[racingandfishing]

Also interested in the new 4 piston rear Brembo's. Not sure if they will require a different knuckle.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...tang-official/

[toadster]

Thanks for that link. Some interesting tidbits in there. The dual 80mm throttle bodies will be, uh... interesting to try to package in a roadster. There's barely enough room for a single 90 degree intake elbow on the gen1/2/3 engines. That engine cover does look a lot more crate-engine friendly than the gen3 cover.

the intake setup on the Gen4 is nearly as big as the engine itself! I do like the engine cover though

[Alan_C]

The twin 80mm throttle bodies seam excessive to me. The Cobra Jet intake used on the 5.2L XS engine rated at 580HP is a single throttle body with dual 65mm siamesed bores.
All I can say is twin turbo ready!
The packaging was already a challenge for the crate engine, now they make it bigger and more complicated. I can't wait to see the first build of a MK4 with the Gen 4 in it and all that it took to make it work.

[JohnK]

I wouldn't be surprised if the crate engine incarnation of the gen4 has a version with a single throttle body. Otherwise, expect to see a lot of gen3 or aftermarket intake swaps on gen4 motors to get them to fit in projects. I've been considering a coyote swap into my '67 Mustang. It was already going to be a ridiculously tight fit, even after cutting out shock towers. I really doubt this engine/intake would fit. Coyote-swapped vintage Mustangs have to account for a decent chunk of Ford Performance crate engine sales, so I can't imagine they would risk losing that business.

[racingandfishing]

I am typically wrong on most things, but I wouldn't think they would produce a single throttle body unit as they pull these from the same assembly line as the production vehicles. If they were to offer an alternate version, that could drive the price up to no longer be attractive.

Though if you take off the airboxes and intake tubes, the dual throttle body doesn't take up much more space. I wouldn't think it would be that much of an issue unless there is only clearance on one side of the engine compartment to run the intake tubes.

I do think it will be interesting to see if they offer both the GT and Dark Horse version.

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[racingandfishing]

That's weird. I could have sworn the announcer on the hour long introduction video said Tremec. Either he slipped up or I heard it wrong. Makes more sense they'd stick with the MT-82.

Tremec is in the Dark Horse version.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ark-horse.html

"Mustang Dark Horse comes standard with a unique six-speed TREMEC manual transmission that connects to the driver through a standard 3D-printed titanium shift ball. The manual also includes a special Mustang Dark Horse transmission oil cooler."