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    Beautiful Masterpiece you have created Sir! congrats!! Please take care of it so that you can sell it to me when I hit the Lotto!!

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    Where did you get the hand brake boot from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory View Post
    Where did you get the hand brake boot from?
    Standard FFR issue. Came with the kit. I had to re-stitch the handle opening to make it a bit larger so it fit over the Mike Everson handle. But other than that, just like it came out of the box. HTH
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    I am seriously impressed with your work! Damn fine Roadster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6t8dart View Post
    I am seriously impressed with your work! Damn fine Roadster!
    Thanks! Interesting to see/hear that people are still reading my build thread. The Roadster is titled, licensed, and turned over 500 miles last weekend. I couldn't be happier with it and it's an absolute blast to drive. Assuming an OK weather report in the AM, we're heading for the FFR open house this weekend. Then we will be in London in a couple weeks.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Didn't realize you were planning on the Open House---I'll be there and look forward to seeing you again and meeting that new car! If the weather conspires against you we'll catch up in Ohio

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    I enjoyed reading your thread, impressive. i'm planning to order my kit soon and will follow some of your ideas. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrenchhead View Post
    I enjoyed reading your thread, impressive. i'm planning to order my kit soon and will follow some of your ideas. Thank you!
    Awesome! Glad you liked it and found some ideas for your build. That's the idea. Make sure to keep us informed about your build. You're in for a great adventure. And welcome to the forum.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Hey Paul, I missed it if you said so here, but did you have to drill out the Speedway Throttle Linkage Arm to 1/4" (from #10-32) to accept the 1/4" Rod End? And did you drill 1/4" straight through, or drill for a 1/4-28 threaded rod end shaft? I'm trying to put together a mechanical linkage like you have here.

    [QUOTE=edwardb;137426]Early in my build I decided I would be installing a mechanical throttle linkage instead of a throttle cable. Some months ago, I looked through all the threads I could find with examples, and decided what I wanted to do. I ordered and had the parts on hand. The last couple of days I finally have it installed and I’m real happy with how it turned out. Smooth and tight. I chose these parts:

    McMaster:
    (1) 9095K107 3/8" x 12" stainless rod
    (3) 6072K31 1/4" rod end – right hand female 28 tpi
    (2) 3370K15 Chrome-Plated Steel Two-Piece Clamp-on Collar 3/8" Bore, 7/8" Outside Diameter, 3/8" Width
    (2) 60685K341 PTFE-Lined Aluminum Ball Joint Rod End 3/8"-24 RH Female Shank, 3/8" Ball ID, 13/16" L Thrd

    Speedway:
    (1) 1750601 Quick release cable or linkage end, 1/4-28 rh
    (2) 91018410 Lightweight Aluminum Throttle Linkage Arm, 3/8"

    Local Ace/Lowes:
    (1) 1/4" Steel Rod - 36" (plain)
    (2) 3/8-24 x 1" Bolts, button head
    (8) 1/4-28 jamb nuts
    (4) 1/4” washers
    (1) 3/8” ID grommet

    Summit:
    Quick Fuel 49-1 Throttle Return Spring Kit

    The pictures are pretty self explanatory. I knew it was going to be kind of a pain to locate and then mount the rod ends on the firewall with the dash and wiring installed. And it was. But I had to have the engine installed to get the locations and confirm the geometry. And the wiring and dash were completed before the engine install. I first mounted the rod end in line with the carb, then used that to locate the hole in the foot box, then located the second rod end inside the foot box. I have the FFMetals thicker firewall, so no additional reinforcement is necessary. I used blue Loctite on all the screws, and red Loctite for the linkage arms and clamps on the 3/8 stainless rod. Everything clamped together really tight. Not going anywhere. I used mild steel rod for the two pushrods, and it was pretty easy to cut to length and cut 1/4-28 threads on each end. Here are some pics.

    1/4” rod end on the Russ Thompson throttle pedal.

    Rod end mounted to firewall inside the DS footbox, from the throttle pedal. I kind of chewed up the finish on the rod end when I was tightening it. I won't tell if you won't. It will be completely hidden. Wrapped tape on the other one before putting a wrench on it, and it was fine.



    Rod end mounted to the firewall outside the DS footbox.



    Quick release linkage end and return springs on the QF SS-750 carb. Some of you may notice these are reversed. The return springs are meant to go in the top hole, and I was going to use the lower hole for the throttle linkage. But this reduced the throw a lot, and I wasn't happy with the amount of throttle pedal movement from idle to full. Would have been very sensitive. So I reversed the connections. Took a little fiddling, but I think looks OK and works fine.

    Finished product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boat737 View Post
    Hey Paul, I missed it if you said so here, but did you have to drill out the Speedway Throttle Linkage Arm to 1/4" (from #10-32) to accept the 1/4" Rod End? And did you drill 1/4" straight through, or drill for a 1/4-28 threaded rod end shaft? I'm trying to put together a mechanical linkage like you have here.
    As we discussed via PM's, I'm 99% certain I drilled and tapped the linkage arms, and then used the nut with some Loctite to lock in place. It's been a couple years since I put this together, but that's how I would normally approach something like that. I'm not going to take it apart to confirm though. There isn't a lot of material at the end of the linkage arm, so this needs to done carefully. But when completed, the rod end is clamped on both sides and isn't going anywhere.

    Hopefully since your post is here that means your forum post issue was resolved.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Mk4 Roadster #7750 is For Sale

    Some of you know about or are following my build thread for Mk4 Roadster #8674 20th Anniversary Edition. We are a one Roadster family, and the agreement for the new build was to sell #7750. It pains me to do so, but a deal is a deal.

    Ideally, I would like to sell #7750 in the Oct/Nov timeframe. So I’m spending the current driving season here in Michigan doing kind of a “soft sell” by passing the word, putting a for sale sign on it at events, etc. I received several unsolicited offers to buy the car last season, so maybe something like that will happen again.

    You can read every excruciating detail about the build in this thread. It’s a quality build with high end parts, all new (no donor parts), and show quality paint. It’s completely sorted and is fantastic to drive. It’s only been street driven. It has roughly 2,600 miles on it now. Probably another 1,000 or so this driving season. This Roadster won its class at the 2015 Detroit Autorama, was judged best in show at the 2015 Factory Five Open House, and has won numerous class and best in show awards. Nearly everyone who sees it first comments about the color, then the amazing paint, then the fit and finish of everything. It has a professionally built Dart 347 stroker that runs perfectly and is very strong. PS, PB, and Levy 5-link rear suspension.

    I know this isn’t the textbook way to do a sale, but I’d like to throw it out there to the forum community. If you’re seriously interested, send me a PM and we can talk. I’m not going to post (or get into a debate) about the price other than to say it won’t be cheap but you couldn’t replace it for what I’m asking. If you’d rather drive than build, don’t want to have to touch the build, and are looking for a premium Roadster, this might be for you. Please don’t bother if you’re just curious or expecting to low ball. I’d be willing to deliver within a reasonable distance from SE Michigan using my covered trailer.

    Thanks.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Edwardb,
    Have a question about your dash pics in post #39 (1-12-14). I like the look of the speedo near the center of the dash. Did you find a template somewhere or just lay it out based on your preferences? I'm building a MK 4. Supposed to be delivered in 2 weeks.
    Thx
    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky2009 View Post
    Edwardb,
    Have a question about your dash pics in post #39 (1-12-14). I like the look of the speedo near the center of the dash. Did you find a template somewhere or just lay it out based on your preferences? I'm building a MK 4. Supposed to be delivered in 2 weeks.
    Thx
    David
    In general, there are two classic layouts for the dash. The Factory Five standard layouts are the street version. What you're seeing in my build is the competition version, with a couple minor liberties to improve sight lines through the steering wheel. I posted dimensions for this layout on the other forum here: http://www.ffcars.com/forums/4988081-post52.html.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky2009 View Post
    Edwardb,
    Have a question about your dash pics in post #39 (1-12-14). I like the look of the speedo near the center of the dash. Did you find a template somewhere or just lay it out based on your preferences? I'm building a MK 4. Supposed to be delivered in 2 weeks.
    Thx
    David
    I don't know if it's too late, but when I ordered my MK4, FFR swapped the standard dash (non-center speedo) for a blank dash no charge, so you can locate the gauges where you desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPTech View Post
    I don't know if it's too late, but when I ordered my MK4, FFR swapped the standard dash (non-center speedo) for a blank dash no charge, so you can locate the gauges where you desire.
    Good point. My dashes were made from the FF blank dash.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    Thanks! Interesting to see/hear that people are still reading my build thread.
    Yes, even now that your next one is done and dusted, and this one is up for sale, there are still many of us that still reference this thread to glean good ideas and creative solutions. Thanks again for posting it.
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    Were these the 1/8" rivets with 3/8" head, or 1/4" head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Eaton View Post
    Were these the 1/8" rivets with 3/8" head, or 1/4" head?
    I've used both 1/8-inch rivets for all my builds. I really like the Ultimate Rivets from Summit. They're 3/8-inch head, a wide grip range, and priced pretty reasonably by the box. Plus come in several colors. Chances are the larger head rivets you see in the build are those. The rest are 1/4-inch head size including the ones that come with the kit.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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    [/QUOTE]

    Paul
    It’s time for me to start looking at oil pans....
    1) where YOU happy with this choice?
    2) was there adequate ground clearance? Do you remember what it was?
    3) did you have a main girdle on the block, would that pan clear a girdle?
    4) do you remember the item description, number?

    My stroker is from a 1969 351 Windsor block and the deck height, 9-1/2”, should be the only difference in height from your 302 block ( other than bolt pattern I believe, but I will pull out my 69 shop manuals and confirm that)

    Thanks your the best
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    Hello #7750 build thread. That's a Moroso 20509 Street/Strip Oil Pan. I don't know what pickup or gasket was used since it was sourced and supplied by the engine builder. (Fordstrokers) It's a 7.5 inch depth pan -- the recommended dimension -- so it was at/above the frame tubes and no ground clearance issues. That is a 4-bolt main DART block, with no attempts needed to strengthen. So no girdle and I have no idea if one would fit. I had no issues with the pan or anything else with that engine during the several years I had it. All a little academic though. Appears that particular Moroso pan isn't available any more. Looks like 20533 is the replacement. But check that further. Was just a quick search. There are lots of SBF oil pan choices. Just stay with the 7.5 inch depth. There are no obstructions in the engine area (suspension, steering, etc.) so pick whatever pan configuration you want.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
    Build 3: Mk4 Roadster 20th Anniversary #8674. Sold 09/07/2020. Build Thread and Video. Build 4: Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe #59. Gen 3 Coyote. Legal 03/04/2020. Build Thread and Video
    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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