Find a Donor for your 818 Thread

[jlahl3160]

To become a knowledgeable buyer I started this method to learn Prices… Here’s a start. See what I think is HOT here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...F9KZDlRbHJaT3c

Guidelines for list (link above):
• One vehicle donor. Vehicles listed will fit the Subaru Impreza ’02 to ’07 non-STI criterion to the best of my ability.
• Vehicle will look like it will function as a single donor, have unique features ,or lower mileage than most others like it.
• This list also contains what I have seen sell and prices paid (to unknown buyers)
• If I see it sell and have / receive data about selling cost, that data will be added to the spreadsheet… If I miss the auction entry will be removed.
• Until I hear otherwise, automatic transmissions will be included (knowing that most will want manual.)
• Listings are NOT a suggestion to buy. If you buy best wishes, but that is all, no guarantees are implied. “As is, and were is,” applies here.

To avoid continual updates and bumps from me I will add new “listings” to a Google spreadsheet. (A relief to many of you I am sure ).
For Prices paid by those on this forum see: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...or-prices-paid

Auctions I visit:
IAA https://www.iaai.com/
CoPart http://www.copart.com/c2/copart_home_page.html

Auctions go fast.. Run and drive vehicles go first on IAA at about 42 sec. average each.

For those posting here:
• Any question relating to obtaining a donor is okay.
• Suggesting a potential donor is okay.
• Suggesting other source(s) of donors is encouraged.
• Things to avoid, bad experiences, and lessons learned are encouraged.

There are other threads for other choices that are for two or more donors
• For information and posts related to H6 see: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...FFR-818-thread
• See this thread for potential Legacy items: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...n-the-5mt-case - or – http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...X-vs-Legacy-GT
• See this thread for alternative parts : http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...or-Parts-Guide
• For those wishing not to have the hassle / risk of buying a donor AJW offers a one piece donor kit ready for assembly to you 818 kit.. See : http://818donors.com/ - or - http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...icipants/page4 (Other threads to be added as I recall them)


Thanks for you input and support.
Again apologies from me to those whose thread I have high-jacked in the past for this purpose.

John

Rev 0.0 12/5/12

[Leturnracing]

Tanks for the info

[jlahl3160]

FYI 20+ sales recorded from IAA. on above link.

repeated here....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...F9KZDlRbHJaT3c

John

[AJW Performance]

good info, thanks for posting!

[SamKor]

I am new in this forum & 818. Pardon me if this has been asked.

Only WRX in the year of 2007 or prior would work or any newer WRX will work too? I heard FFR owner Dave said something about a 265 HP ENGINE but I cant seem to find any WRX 2007 or older with such HP.

Am I misinterpreting some info??

Thanks!

[rjh2pd]

The 06-07 Wrx's have the 2.5L which makes 265 HP. The earlier years had a2.0L which made around 220 HP iirc. 02-07 will work, the newer years won't have everything you need. I'm pretty sure the engine and trans will work from the newer years though.

[SamKor]

Thank you rjh2pd for the info.

I checked both edmunds and kbb for the 06-07 WRX with 2.5L, but all spec it at 224 HP. That was with the TURBO version. Both sedan and wagon are max at 224 HP.

however, the STI is spec at 293 but I thought the STI won't work in the 818.

Thanks!

[Evan78]

The WRX wasn't rated for 265hp until 2009. When the WRX changed engine sizes from 2.0 to 2.5L in 2006, it was still rated at the same power but it certainly made more low end power, thanks to the additional displacement.

The Impreza page on Cars101.com is a great place to start reading about year to year changes. Start at the bottom of the page.

[Xusia]

I wouldn't put too much faith in the HP specifics on that page (detail in general seems a bit lacking and/or regurgitated without fact checking). It doesn't state if the HP listed is rated at the crank or the wheels. It also doesn't list the HP for an previous years other than the STi (which is correctly listed at 300 crank HP), so it's hard to know if it's a mistake or just a measuring issue. If you check other sources you should find they list the 06-07 WRX as ~265 crank HP.

[Evan78]

From Edmunds 2006 WRX review:

Mechanically, the WRX's engine goes from 2.0 liters to 2.5 liters of displacement and now makes 230 hp and 235 lb-ft of torque.

Despite the generic name, Cars101 is Subaru information site run by a Subaru salesman. Most salesmen don't know jack about the cars they sell, but I don't think I've ever come across any information on that site that is grossly incorrect. It may not be complete, but nobody has every detail in one place. He seems to simply list manufacturer specs and other small details he picks up.

I'm not going to bother checking other sources, but a marginal rating increase in HP is how I remember 2006 models. That doesn't mean there wasn't an observed bump in power, especially in the low end, but Subaru didn't bother with changing the HP rating by any significant amount.

[Xusia]

Sorry if I somehow offended you. That certainly wasn't my intent.

I think you are right about him listing manufacturer specs, because 230 was the number from Subaru. However, it's been proven that rating is understated. There are always variances when doing dyno comparisons, and even between various examples of the same engine, so nothing is 100% accurate. That said, what I've seen from various dyno comparisons is that the 06-07 makes 30-35 HP more than the 02-05. That would be consistent, if conservative, with the displacement increase, putting the 06-07 in the 255-265 HP range at the crank - depending on how you calculate drive train losses, AND assuming 230 crank HP for the 02-05 (which I personally think may be a bit OVER rated). <-- That's a bit of a run on sentence, but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.

[Evan78]

No offense taken. I agree, the 06/07 usually dyno in the high 190's at the wheels in stock form while the 02-05 are around 165-175 typically. The 06/07 is underrated by Subaru. STi whp is usually in the 230 neighborhood, so that is another data point to support putting the 06/07 around 260 crank hp.

I just wanted to clarify the numbers and add a little background on the site. If you are new to Subaru, it is a good place to start since you can pickup the major changes in a matter of a few minutes. As far as I know, you won't find any official sources stating the 06/07 as having 265hp since Subaru didn't change the rating until 2009 when it came with a larger turbo. I haven't kept up with the newer models, but I believe 2008 switched to the new style turbo that bolts to the intercooler directly and is larger than the TD04 from 2002-2007.

[SamKor]

if I get a non-turbo'd Impreza, can it still be turbo'd and up the HP then? I am running across one now and considering getting it. Just need to learn all the parameters before put the money in. Thanks!

[armstrom]

Yes, it's possible, but not the most economical option. The NA engine is not a WRX minus a turbo. The engine is very different and not really built to handle forced induction. Is it possible to make it work? Sure... keep the boost down, add custom engine management and prepare to break things. If you're starting from scratch (no donor yet) you really should invest the time and extra cash to get the engine you want out of the box. There's nothing wrong with building an NA car (it will be quite fast) I would just advise against going into it thinking you can just slap a turbo on and have a cheaper/easier to find donor.

Edit: I should clarify. This is only from a bolt-on perspective. If your plan is to build a motor anyway (custom internals, machining, heads/cams, etc...) then there's no reason to avoid the NA car. The 2.5L NA block is also a fairly popular starting point for a complete engine build. If you're dropping the cash on a full performance engine build the sky is the limit
-Matt

[SamKor]

Thanks Matt. I thought it was as simple as slap on a turbo on a NA impreza. Obviously, I had no clue . I will continue my search for a WRX. Again thank you!