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Thread: SixStarCars' 818R - NASA ST3 - SCCA Solo X Prepared Build Thread

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    Resurrecting a dead thread!!!

    So much has changed, the title is wrong, the plans have been thrown out..... rather than start over I'll just amend.

    Here's the car as it sits today ready for more testing at the local AX in Wilmington, NC this Saturday - qb5wDPp.jpg

    Current power level with a quick sea level retune - L6jmBMl.jpg
    Last edited by SixStar; 05-12-2016 at 09:54 AM.
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    Great to have you back and on track!
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    My co-driver and setup wizard took the AEM Intakes 818R out to a local AutoCross this past weekend and ended up 1st in class with the 2nd fastest overall time of the day. I would say things are progressing nicely.

    g7tGv9c.jpg

    I think we're going to go back to the 550# rear springs to keep the body off the tires and make use of the additional AOA we dialed in.
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    I don't know why you would rub....

    <opens picture>

    Yep that'd do it.
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    What size tires are you running? looks like the rear tires stick out from under the fender wells.

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    255/40-17 in front and 285/30-18 in back (measures to a 305)

    At some point after about a decade of autocross you stop trying to fit tires UNDER a car and instead just fit them ON the car. You should have seen these wheels on my 04 WRX.
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    Is it possible you uprated the wrap colors? I can't recall the side sails where black. What's the latest pix you got straight from the side, front, back and top (if any)?
    For a long time I wanted to copy your black hood schema, on blue instead of yellow for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Is it possible you uprated the wrap colors? I can't recall the side sails where black. What's the latest pix you got straight from the side, front, back and top (if any)?
    For a long time I wanted to copy your black hood schema, on blue instead of yellow for me.
    Negative. It's pretty much the same as it's been since SEMA 2014. With the addition of AEM Electronics officially the door logo is going to change soon, and a few sponsors dropped but that's all I have planned.

    Here's the original rendering from Matthew @ AEM - 10701954_10101787323685993_8522614671687880180_n.jpg

    And here's how she sits - LOWu10U.jpg 12004946_760087324099632_8332728253528951230_n.jpg
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    Excellent pix! Gives me ideas. Not an easy wrap when doing multiple colors but I'm surely going to do something on that hood.
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    Some more great pictures from the event last weekend - http://imgur.com/a/KRI4h
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    Looks fantastic! How are your intake temps doing with the IC in back?

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    You are so close to two-wheeling it. Amazing and inspiring.
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    Yeah it looks almost on 2 wheels!
    Front sway bar installed or not?
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    I'll post a log of the run later for the intake temps. It was only a 21 second course so it's not very telling to be honest.

    That picture is slightly misleading. There was a HUGE elevation change in this lot. This was the most extreme downhill off camber turn in the course so it looks crazy. But really there is a massive amount of grip with the new setup, it really does handle amazing.
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    I've 2 wheeled an NA miata before Heck, I've even got a photo of lifting a front tire under acceleration. With the right elevation change + Hoosier grip, it can create some EPIC photo moments. I imagine with the 818's power and grip that it will lead to even more tricycle/bicycle moments.

    The car looks fantastic. I bet you get a ton of attention at autocross with it! Are you tracking the car too? I only ask because technically the wing you are running is not legal for E-Mod in autocross. Most people won't care, especially locally, but just wanted to give you a heads up in case you decide to pursue national level competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamra View Post
    I've 2 wheeled an NA miata before Heck, I've even got a photo of lifting a front tire under acceleration. With the right elevation change + Hoosier grip, it can create some EPIC photo moments. I imagine with the 818's power and grip that it will lead to even more tricycle/bicycle moments.

    The car looks fantastic. I bet you get a ton of attention at autocross with it! Are you tracking the car too? I only ask because technically the wing you are running is not legal for E-Mod in autocross. Most people won't care, especially locally, but just wanted to give you a heads up in case you decide to pursue national level competition.
    Your the second person to mention the wing but I can't find a single rule where it wouldn't be allowed. Do you have something you could post?

    Here's the bit about aero

    18.0.C. Aerodynamics
    The area of a wing shall be computed by multiplying the width and depth of
    the wing assembly (top view) without regard to the curvature and/or inclination
    of the wing or number of elements. Any airfoil shadowed by another
    airfoil with more than six inches between them will have its own projected
    area added to the wing area calculation. Any diffuser-type aerodynamic device
    under the car which is used in downforce generation is not included in
    the wing area calculation. This specification supersedes Section 12, Wing
    Area Computation, for these classes.


    It's not nearly large enough to exceed the 20^ft max.

    18.1.F.1 maybe?
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    Hey thanks for asking. The rulebook can be tough to filter through. The following section covers the aerodynamic allowances for EM cars. Part C specifically prohibits wings, and part A and B list out what is allowed - basically a 10" ducktail with side plates.

    18.1 MODIFIED PRODUCTION-BASED CARS
    F. Aerodynamic Aids
    4. Rear spoilers
    a. If a rear spoiler is used, it shall be mounted to the rear hatch, deck,
    or trunk lid, and mount no further forward than the base of the rear
    window. The spoiler extension for the entire spoiler is set by one
    measurement at the lateral midpoint of the car. At that point, the
    spoiler may not extend more than 10.0” (25.4 cm) from the attachment
    point out to the outer or free edge. This sets the maximum
    height above ground at all other locations on the spoiler. The result
    may be a flat topped rather than contoured spoiler. Alternatively, the
    spoiler may be mounted at the rear of the roof, or to the rear hatch
    lid at or near the top of the hatch; in such a configuration the spoiler
    may extend no more than 7.5” (19.1 cm) from the original bodywork,
    measured as described above. The spoiler angle of attack is free. The
    rear spoiler is measured from leading, attached edge to trailing or
    outermost, free edge. Its measurement is independent of its angle of
    attack.
    b. The spoiler may not be wider than the rear bodywork, measured as
    the maximum distance between the outside edges of the wheel well
    openings or fender flares at axle height. The total fore-to-aft curvature
    or deviation of the rear spoiler, measured at the trailing edge,
    shall not exceed 10.0” (25.4 cm) as viewed from above.
    c. Aerodynamic aids permitted in Section 18.1.F shall not function as
    wings. Therefore, the spoiler may not overhang the bodywork such
    that air passes both over and underneath it. If the rear spoiler overhangs
    the side of the car, the lower edge of the spoiler shall be supported
    by bodywork that will prevent air from passing underneath
    the spoiler. This may be accomplished by extending the spoiler to
    join the bodywork or wheel opening/fender flare beneath the overhang.
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    The SCCA Solo rulebook is fairly straightforward...

    unless you're in the Modified Classes. They skip all over the rulebook. E Mod and D Mod are particularly bad, with A Mod being the worst of all. For as clear as the SCCA can write rules for Solo you'd think they'd just do a complete overhaul of the Modified Classes consolidating everything into one chapter.
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    My aero guy and I have discussed this in length and we're not sure where the 818R fits in the letter of the rules regarding the rear wing. It's not a production based car so technically some of the rules don't apply. Also the GTC300 wing is offered as an optional extra (and highly recommended by FFR) for the 818R from the factory so it's a "factory optional accessory" by that logic.

    In the end someone would have to show up at a national event and beat Jeff (not ever going to happen, ever, no really, never) before it would ever be on anyone's radar.

    I know the SEB made an exception this year for the 818R/S and in the same line they banned the Exocet from having a wing. Maybe that's where the confusion is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixStar View Post
    My aero guy and I have discussed this in length and we're not sure where the 818R fits in the letter of the rules regarding the rear wing. It's not a production based car so technically some of the rules don't apply. Also the GTC300 wing is offered as an optional extra (and highly recommended by FFR) for the 818R from the factory so it's a "factory optional accessory" by that logic.

    In the end someone would have to show up at a national event and beat Jeff (not ever going to happen, ever, no really, never) before it would ever be on anyone's radar.

    I know the SEB made an exception this year for the 818R/S and in the same line they banned the Exocet from having a wing. Maybe that's where the confusion is.

    Side note; you LOVE busting my balls Tamara.
    Someone has got to! You're a leading example of the 818 in the community, with a beautiful car.

    The next section of the rule book states:
    6. If the factory production car was supplied with tunnels or wings, they
    may remain but they must be blocked in a safe manner to prevent them
    from functioning to provide downforce. For example, foam or sheet
    metal may be firmly attached in tunnels or on wings to ruin their shape
    or to stop airflow.


    I would take that to mean that no wing is permitted, even if provided from the factory. I don't think it would fly, even as an optional accessory.

    However, you make a good point that likelihood of being protested is low based on the 818's current competitiveness. However, E-Mod has a fantastic race for 2nd place at nationals, and you actually have a shot at EMod wins on this side of the country at national events (well, there is that Jeep that could be tough to beat), so I could see a protest being filed if you are competitive whatsoever. The big wing is a huge advantage and would be unfair to other people abiding by the rules... if you start winning.

    Anyway, the wing looks great and as long as you continue to just compete locally I'm sure it will never be a problem.
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    Thanks for the kind words!

    For grins I think I'll pull it off at the Darlington event and just see what happens!
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    Looks like Darlington is out, myself and the AEM Intakes 818R will be attending Wicked Big Meet!!! WOOT!!

    So happy to represent GrimmSpeed by showing a car in their booth. Much excite.

    Also: moar pictures from the last AX:

    http://imgur.com/a/AqAr9
    Last edited by SixStar; 05-31-2016 at 08:59 AM.
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    Tamra, the FFR 818R&S are NOT Production based cars... time to ask the powers that be in SCCA, they have been very responsive to me in the past when I did all the tech stuff for our club

    Edit, just re-read the rules... Tamra looks to be correct based on what is written there... If you read the rules we are getting a break being allowed to run DM or EM and by the letter of the rules we could easily be AM since we are not production based and were not built for a particular racing rule set like the Formula Fords etc... I think we can run the stock options from FFR like the lip spoiler, side extensions and front splitter. The rear diffuser is questionable as I've read it...
    Last edited by RM1SepEx; 05-31-2016 at 07:34 PM. Reason: re read scca rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by RM1SepEx View Post
    Tamra, the FFR 818R&S are NOT Production based cars... time to ask the powers that be in SCCA, they have been very responsive to me in the past when I did all the tech stuff for our club

    Edit, just re-read the rules... Tamra looks to be correct based on what is written there... If you read the rules we are getting a break being allowed to run DM or EM and by the letter of the rules we could easily be AM since we are not production based and were not built for a particular racing rule set like the Formula Fords etc... I think we can run the stock options from FFR like the lip spoiler, side extensions and front splitter. The rear diffuser is questionable as I've read it...
    But...

    Based on wind tunnel testing, this race-version splitter produces a significant amount of additional downforce at speed, and in order to achieve a safe and effective balance, we highly recommend using it in conjunction with our 26095 Road Race Wing. If the race-version splitter is used with no additional rear downforce, your car may exhibit a significant oversteer tendency at higher speeds.

    Please note, while a rear diffuser does also create rear downforce, its effect is more even along the length of the car and does not sufficiently balance the race-version splitter.


    It'll be interesting to see how an 818 does at AX when it's built for AX. My car is NOT an AX car it just happens to have a few of the ingredients that make it a good AX car. In the end there's not a single thing out there that's going to dethrone Jeff, not without corporate sponsorship.
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    Custom front splitters, rear ducktail (not wing), and diffusers are all permitted in E-modified as long as they fit the rules. Not sure about the FFR side skirts.
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    Maybe build a bigger version of the "street" spoiler that FFR offers??? Build it up to the letter of the rules and see how it does?

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    What kind of speeds are you seeing, though? Isn't most aero marginal below 60 mph? And how many corners do you see at 60+ mph on an autox course where you actually need the downforce? Most of the auto-x-specific spoilers I've seen resemble billboards to be more effective at lower speeds, I presume. I think FFR's recommendation about the splitter/wing balance is for track speeds - like 100+. I bet you only see a small effect from the wing in autox.

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    Old video, short course, fast car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4O9-RoRgFg
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    After a failed attempt at ONE last event she's in the garage and I've started on the next phase of the build.

    N7MTq7H.jpg

    ID1000s are going away, as are the Perrin rails and the Crawford AOS. Going to redo some boost pipes, more thermal management, and more importantly address the woefully inadequate in tank pump and fuel tank configuration.

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    To be continued...




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    Why failed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Why failed?
    It was 12F out. Car wouldn't start (E85), shocks wouldn't work, tires were rocks, driver was a mess.

    It would have gone straight into a wall for sure.
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    I look forward to seeing the next phase of your build!

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    That'll do it! Not sure what kind of tires you are running but a lot of the super soft ones (R compound usually) are junk if they are even exposed to temps below freezing. You probably know that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    That'll do it! Not sure what kind of tires you are running but a lot of the super soft ones (R compound usually) are junk if they are even exposed to temps below freezing. You probably know that though.
    I run BFG R1Ss and yeah I knew they would be junk. They're not going back on course next season so it was going to be a send off.

    The car was 80F when I loaded it in the trailer and it cooled to 32F by the time I made it to the track. Even plugged in with my potato it wouldn't come to temp. 12F is no joke! The street cars that were there we're all Ken Blocking all over the course.

    Potato, because someone will ask!

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    Get yourself one of these guys and a tarp to wrap your canopy.

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    just don't set your stuff on fire.


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    I've opted to just forgo any events under 40F

    It's a big motorcycle at this point.
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    She's officially under the knife (wrench) for version 2.5. Not nearly enough time to get everything done that I had planned over the winter but this will be a nice middle step for the 2017 season.

    http://imgur.com/a/OHIlW

    Updating the fuel system with ID1050X injectors, IAG TGV deletes, IAG rails and lines, IAG Competition Series AOS. Some thermal management, new wheels, and an exciting new plug and play Speed Density conversion harness from iWire (more on this later)
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    Another weekend, a LOT more done.

    http://imgur.com/a/g0J35

    Should be able to button everything up this weekend and get started on the splitter and spoiler
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    Tried my hand at some aero arts and crafts using Alumalite. Great material, very easy to work with!

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    That's good stuff from what I've heard. Will it be stiff enough in 1/4" thickness for a splitter? I saw earlier pic of intercooler in the back. Is it staying there and is it working OK there? What kind of temp drop do you get?

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