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    Quote Originally Posted by metalmaker12 View Post
    Now I have seen everything
    So thats how those EV's get such great mileage! LOL.

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    TT slow motion

    I'm hijacking my own thread so everyone can watch this video. IOM TT with no crashes.

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    ok, that one was to slow

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    cant wait to join team 818

    I can't wait to get back to the states and get my kit ordered. I know you will be done with yours by the time that I get back home. Hopefully I will be able to check it out and get some insight for when I actually get mine and start the build. Glad that there is someone so close who will have one as well. Two including your sons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerrudy View Post
    I can't wait to get back to the states and get my kit ordered. I know you will be done with yours by the time that I get back home. Hopefully I will be able to check it out and get some insight for when I actually get mine and start the build. Glad that there is someone so close who will have one as well. Two including your sons!
    Hey Rudy
    The wait time is a year if you get in now. Now telling if you wait. I would get a $100 deposit in now if you can.
    I don't know where your at.
    Just let me say THANK YOU and be Safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    Hey Rudy
    The wait time is a year if you get in now. Now telling if you wait. I would get a $100 deposit in now if you can.
    I don't know where your at.
    Just let me say THANK YOU and be Safe.
    Bob
    Yeah I had read about the wait. I am looking into trying to get one put down thru my brother. Also I saw you picked up your kits yourself. How long was the drive?
    Last edited by killerrudy; 10-09-2013 at 03:07 AM.

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    First post on my own thread in almost a month.
    Progress on the 818Se has been slowed by a couple of things. My son (sophmore in high school)had to put in some more time studying instead of working on the car with me. My business has me hopping around the country and trying to complete a hot project. I predict slow progress untill the first of the year.

    The main area I have been working on, is making the 818 Wookie compatable. (My son is 6"3 250 with a curved back) I have customized a Kirkie seat. No tank or batteries will fit behind the seat. I am in progress of moving the pedal box 3" forward. I will publish pictures when I'm done.

    Secondly, I am designing custom battery boxes. Unlike Erik's build, I am putting more batteries up front going for a 50/50 weight split. I probably won't make it, but I'm going to try.
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    For those interested in an electric 818. Here is a video on what I consider one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet.

    http://youtu.be/q_cRqcbXAs4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    For those interested in an electric 818. Here is a video on what I consider one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet.

    http://youtu.be/q_cRqcbXAs4
    The Rimac Concept One Supercar is another electric loaded with tech. http://youtu.be/8BV1FCMGgps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    For those interested in an electric 818. Here is a video on what I consider one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet.

    http://youtu.be/q_cRqcbXAs4
    Batts last 10-15mins. Just enough to go to and back from grocery store. lolll I want one.
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    EV Range

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Batts last 10-15mins. Just enough to go to and back from grocery store. lolll I want one.
    I have involved with electric vehicles since 1994 starting with the formula lightning racing series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qjJWFRrlI . I rule of thumb i have is a 1000 lbs of lead acid batteries is equal ranges as 1 gal of gas.
    Example: GM EV1 would get 50 MPG at 60mph if powered by gas. With 1200 lbs of lead acid it got about 75 miles range.
    Lithium Ion batteries are about 5 times better. So the EV1 would get 375 miles with with 1200 lbs of li-ion.

    My new rule of thumb for li-ion is 1 gal is equilalent to 200 lbs of batteries.
    The Drayson car i suspect 30 MPG at 60 MPH. It has 600 lbs of batteries. so 3 time 30 is 90 miles range at 60 mph.
    On the track it at racing speeds might average 10 MPG so 3 x 10 is 30 miles at race pace. so the 10-15 min at race pace makes sense.
    Bob
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    It's just like the Veyron! It lasts about 12mins when pedal to the metal.
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    Red face Big Electric vehicle

    Been slow working on the 818 EV. Last week I was working on a little heavier EV, 80,000 LBS plus 40,000 payload. That's only 66 times heavier than an 818. This one has a governed top speed of 6 mph. I will be using the same size motor controller in my 818 without a governor.
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    movin' coal...
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    Bob, don't plan on swapping the wheels and tires onto the 818?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Bob, don't plan on swapping the wheels and tires onto the 818?
    I don't know, These are 42" diameter solid run flat tires. With about a 12" hub adapter they should fit. I will have to recalibrate my speedometer to miles per 2 hours.
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    Crap, just saw your motorbike video posted in Oct. I don't know I didn't see the youtube square before, weird. Those guys are either stupid or super highly talented!! Or both...
    And maybe you are one of them, actually? Driving like that on the road and in the wet? Then only super highly talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Crap, just saw your motorbike video posted in Oct. I don't know I didn't see the youtube square before, weird. Those guys are either stupid or super highly talented!! Or both...
    And maybe you are one of them, actually? Driving like that on the road and in the wet? Then only super highly talented.
    Frank, I am the propulsion guy on the Lightning team. I haven't been on a motorcycle since I was 20.


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    Belly Pan

    Is everyone's planning to leave the bottom of the engine compartment open to get a lot of air circulation in the engine compartment?
    I originally thought the belly pan would go al the way to the rear diffuser.
    Does anyone have a picture of the underside from sema?
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    I don't. I plan on flattening it out to increase airflow underneath, but I also plan on fitting custom NACA air scoops on that belly panel (hence why I would have loved VRaptorspeedworks.com to design them) to at least get some air flow and possibly a fan running either in the rear bumper's mesh or the IC mesh (which won't be used for anything for me) to get the hot air out. That is my current plan, it may change though!

    I think we have some not too bad pix from the red car on FFR's gallery. Uhmmmm, nope, not really actually.

    But, in your case, it's all electric, so do you bother about air flow in the rear compartment?
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    Lotus has snap in NACA ducts on the Elise/Exige belly pan, cut the outline and snap them in. I'll get the part number at the shop today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    But, in your case, it's all electric, so do you bother about air flow in the rear compartment?
    Hi Frank, Good catch, on the Electric car I only have about 1/20 the heat dissipation to worry about. A radiator the size of an intercooler will handle everything. I will close in the bottom the best I can.

    I have changed plans on my second car (Michael's) to go gas. We pick up our 04 forester XT donor today. I should start a second build thread to keep them separated.
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    second car donor

    Pick up the 04 forester xt donor for the second car today. 2.5L with turbo.

    8 hour round trip to Detroit in the rain. Had to do a MacGyver when all the running light on the trailer blew my vans fuse. I knew that cigarette lighter extension cord would come in handy someday.

    Michael will have a busy weekend taking it apart.
    first car took us a couple of weeks. He has learned to forget about the dremel tool and goes right to the 8" grinder with cut of wheel. I always start with hand tools, he goes straight for the air tools. He did kick my butt autocrossing this summer, Maybe I should learn from him.


    First thing I check when I got it home. Does not look like the cam sprockets got damaged and was listed as "runs and drive"

    19352393_1X.jpg19352393_7X.jpg

    Do I need battery power to get it out of park so I can get it off the trailer?
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    No there should be a shift lock override near the shifter, pop the cover and stick something in the hole to get it into neutral.





    Edit:

    Boom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    I have changed plans on my second car (Michael's) to go gas. We pick up our 04 forester XT donor today. I should start a second build thread to keep them separated.
    Bob
    Ah that's true. Let's see how that one will compare to the e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    No there should be a shift lock override near the shifter, pop the cover and stick something in the hole to get it into neutral.

    Edit:

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    Thanks LongIsland
    Info Just in time, I on my way to get it off the trailer in a few minutes.

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    powdercoated frame

    My Powder coater just sent me some of the pictures. I'll publish more details later.

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    That looks awesome.

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    Very nice! Love the color.
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    Nice blue!
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    So this is the straight ICE car right? I don't see any E-mods to the frame! Looks beautiful.

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    Powder coat looks great! I like your EV idea, and have enjoyed watching your progress!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalmaker12 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    So this is the straight ICE car right? I don't see any E-mods to the frame! Looks beautiful.
    Yes, Chassis #21 is full EV 250HP. Frame mods to mount motor and battery boxes.
    Change of course, Chassis #22 is 2.5L turbo ICE.

    Big day today.
    Jump started the coparts 04 forester xt. Purred like a kitten.
    Picked up chassis #22. I can't stop smiling every time I look at the paint.
    Color is Prismatic Powders Super Chrome covered by Intense Blue (transparent)

    I hate to cover it up. Do you think I could talk Dave into a crystal clear thermal formed body?

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    Bob, what happened to change the son's car to ICE? I thought they were both to be electric...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_n_Cincy View Post
    Do you think I could talk Dave into a crystal clear thermal formed body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RM1SepEx View Post
    Bob, what happened to change the son's car to ICE? I thought they were both to be electric...
    We plan on both cars being DD/autocross/trackday vehicles.
    It is going to be hard enough to find a class to run the ICE 818 in. The EV 818 and it will be difficult to class.
    What better way to demonstrate the EV/ICE than Identical cars side by side.
    The ice will be 2.5L with stock turbo and tune. I am shooting for equivalent EV performance.
    I may have to use the ICE to tow the EV to the track.

    This may sound silly to some. I'm thinking of mounting a hitch ball up-sided-down in the transmission mounting plate. Then turn the coupler over on my race tire trailer.
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    What motor are you going to use for the EV? Also what are the power specs on your inverter and what size pack are you going to run? What battery for the pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtz View Post
    What motor are you going to use for the EV? Also what are the power specs on your inverter and what size pack are you going to run? What battery for the pack?
    Hi RTZ
    The inverter will be an Flux Vector Controller which is a product I designed. It will be 250 peak HP.
    The motor and battery Info is still in flux. no pun intended.
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