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    Looks similar to the tunnel, but just shorter and at a sharp incline. It's also taller to fit the higher position. And it's very thick... 1/8" or 3/16", not the thinner stuff used on the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Looks similar to the tunnel, but just shorter and at a sharp incline. It's also taller to fit the higher position. And it's very thick... 1/8" or 3/16", not the thinner stuff used on the tunnel.
    Actually, not the metal piece. Sorry for my phrasing. I need the piece that attaches from the cables to the metal FFR piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    Actually, not the metal piece. Sorry for my phrasing. I need the piece that attaches from the cables to the metal FFR piece.
    Are you referring to the two metal clamp pieces that attach to the e-brake cables? Those come from the donor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STiPWRD View Post
    Are you referring to the two metal clamp pieces that attach to the e-brake cables? Those come from the donor.
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    That's definitely them! I guess I lost mine somewhere along the way. I'll have to head to the junkyard, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    That's definitely them! I guess I lost mine somewhere along the way. I'll have to head to the junkyard, then.
    You could probably make them by cutting and bending some steel plates

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    Quote Originally Posted by STiPWRD View Post
    You could probably make them by cutting and bending some steel plates
    Might be what I have to do.

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    Do you need both the top and bottom pieces ?
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    Also, just found this picture from the track day the other day. Cool shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Do you need both the top and bottom pieces ?
    It seems I don't have either piece, Tony.

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    Here is a link to the sharable Google Sheet of a data log. As you can see, I'm new to open source logging/tuning and clearly am not that good at it. I could see my boost on the screen, but it didn't log it. I'll have to practice in the garage sometime. Same with coolant temps.

    The track:
    It's a small track. When my friend and I got there, we were the only ones there. Including owner/workers. And they said we could open lap as long as we wanted if we wore helmets and spaced ourselves out. I got a lot of seat time in a small (3rd gear track, 4th on straights and 2nd in a tight section) and bumpy track. Here are some pics.




    The good:
    Car did well for the most part. Coolant temps stayed below 190* all day. IAT's with the STi intercooler and NO top body piece were alright until I pitted and left it running. Then they'd shoot up. IAT's were over 100* with ~75-80* ambient and direct sun most of the day. Which isn't terrible, but it's not great. Track was fun and really relaxed which gave me a chance to play with tire pressures and a little bit of suspension stuff. No huge changes, but some learning on my part.

    The bad:
    Had a weird breaking up section towards the end whenever it came out of a longer right turn. Maybe it was just slightly low on fuel and it sloshed over. It was the same two spots on track each of the last few laps. Not sure what was up with that. Gonna try to match up GoPro footage with data logs and see if I can make heads or tails of it. The sky is going to open up on the track the rest of the weekend so I brought the 818 all the way back home tonight and may go back tomorrow/Sunday in my DD WRX.

    The broken:
    Nothing, as far as I can tell. My friend drove it and promptly spun it out. My minor tire pressure/suspension adjustments made the car "too easy to spin out". I blame it on driver error


    Videos to come tomorrow or Sunday. Now I have to unpack the truck/trailer and then decide if I'm driving back to the (already paid for) track with my WRX in the pouring rain, or just skip it. Sigh. Weather really ruined a big testing weekend for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    The bad:
    Had a weird breaking up section towards the end whenever it came out of a longer right turn. Maybe it was just slightly low on fuel and it sloshed over.
    Sounds VERY typical of fuel starvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    It seems I don't have either piece, Tony.
    If I recall correctly those parts are only a few bucks each from subaru.

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    Glad you are doing what you set out to do and tearing up the track!

    I agree that the issue you described sounds like fuel starvation as well. How full was your tank? To my recollection, the WRX ECU doesn't monitor fuel rail pressure, and if that's correct, you obviously can't log it. That would be the best way to go back and validate whether starvation was the issue.

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    Looks like a big Kart track but perfect for getting more time on the car. My guess would also be fuel starvation. I am encouraged by what you are seeing how your Air to Air intercooler is working with just having air pass over it.
    Thanks for the report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeromeS13 View Post
    Sounds VERY typical of fuel starvation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight View Post
    Glad you are doing what you set out to do and tearing up the track!

    I agree that the issue you described sounds like fuel starvation as well. How full was your tank? To my recollection, the WRX ECU doesn't monitor fuel rail pressure, and if that's correct, you obviously can't log it. That would be the best way to go back and validate whether starvation was the issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Looks like a big Kart track but perfect for getting more time on the car. My guess would also be fuel starvation. I am encouraged by what you are seeing how your Air to Air intercooler is working with just having air pass over it.
    Thanks for the report.
    Mitch- no problem. It was a big kart track. With my 4.44 final drive I was hitting the top of third on the front straight and getting into 4th on the back straight. Really cheap and very relaxed track day. Not the nicest surface, but we had the track ALL DAY Friday and it was $25 a person. Can't beat it.

    I am thinking that since it went lean on those corners (I loosely matched up data with GoPro footage) it was in fact fuel starvation. What's everyone doing about that?

    I'm probably going to make a second thread about this in the fuel section, but here's the trouble I'm faced with:

    -Stay with '33 tank, and keep it really full to avoid fuel starvation. Cheapest solution, but way less than ideal for driving.
    -Upgrade to Boyd tank. Less fuel starvation since it's taller and thinner. ~$500 cost, and possibly I can't keep my fuel pump? Still doesn't eliminate the fuel starvation issue, but probably makes it a good amount better.
    -Upgrade to fuel cell. Seems like almost every cell is square so I'd have to run it where Chad does. I really want to have the 818 as a street car with a passenger seat for at least a year or two, and that'd defeat most of the purpose of having it as a street car. Also, they're expensive as hell. Probably both the safest and the most performance based option, though. Anyone know if I can get a rectangular one for behind the firewall without breaking the bank?
    -Hydramat. No clue how to make this work with our in tank pumps, but this would be a cheap way to possibly eliminate fuel starvation.


    Any other options I'm not thinking of?

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    Tony had a fuel cell made that fits in the stock location, the price is not bad for a custom made cell.
    http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...ight=fuel+cell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Tony had a fuel cell made that fits in the stock location, the price is not bad for a custom made cell.
    http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...ight=fuel+cell
    The only problem for endurance racing is that it's kinda small and it is still not in a great area for safety (I cant remember the actual size). I'm not sure my 17 gallon tank will last 45/50 minutes. I should of got it bigger. The car drinks gas like crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Wright View Post
    Tony had a fuel cell made that fits in the stock location, the price is not bad for a custom made cell.
    http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...ight=fuel+cell
    It's just more than I want to afford right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by C.Plavan View Post
    The only problem for endurance racing is that it's kinda small and it is still not in a great area for safety (I cant remember the actual size). I'm not sure my 17 gallon tank will last 45/50 minutes. I should of got it bigger. The car drinks gas like crazy.
    And yes, it's a little small. 16 or 17 would've been my guess for the "right" size. Maybe 22(I see that's a common size) is a better bet?


    I was thinking about getting this guy:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Po...-/201253630598

    Instead of a Radium engineering one. While that'd be nice....they're EXPENSIVE. A surge tank is less work to install and more proven than a hydramat.


    Hindsight, getting a new '33 or 818 tank and welding it at work is my backup plan. Pulling the tank would kinda suck, though.

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    Ordered a Radium unit; this one. It's only money, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    Ordered a Radium unit; this one. It's only money, right?
    Let us know how it works out, but that is like a 1/3 the cost of a fuel cell, but the other 2/3 is always the hard part after you spent more $$$ than expected on the build (as we all do)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    Let us know how it works out, but that is like a 1/3 the cost of a fuel cell, but the other 2/3 is always the hard part after you spent more $$$ than expected on the build (as we all do)
    Well. I intend to keep the fuel tank for a year or two and get this whole passenger seat thing out of my system. Then eventually a fuel cell in the passenger area. I just don't want to eat the cost of a fuel cell twice, once behind the seat and once next to me.

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    radium is pure engineering porn. I also spoke to them and I'm pretty sure I'm going with:

    1x 20-0132-00
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    and a handful of 6an PTFE hoses

    all the runs should be neat, short and returnless.
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    You guys realize I'm a dealer for Radium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    You guys realize I'm a dealer for Radium?
    I didn't know that. I would've asked you for a quote for sure if I knew. I have a hookup for them. I paid $500 shipped with bracketed, hoses, and a pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    radium is pure engineering porn. I also spoke to them and I'm pretty sure I'm going with:

    1x 20-0132-00
    1x 13-0011
    1x 14-0186
    1x 20-0167-01
    2x 20-0176

    and a handful of 6an PTFE hoses

    all the runs should be neat, short and returnless.
    Jeff, why did you choose "FST-R Fuel Surge Tank with Integrated FPR" over "https://www.radiumauto.com/Standard-Fuel-Surge-Tanks-P515.aspx"? With/without regulator? Does the stock fuel pump have a regulator or something?

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    Frank,

    Because I am running aftermarket fuel rails and ditching the OEM regulator (Located on/near the passenger oem fuel rail) I needed an aftermarket regulator.

    I was originally planning on running the same surge tank as you using their multipump regulator (using only one pump)

    after speaking with radium, I decided to go with the integrated unit as it reduces the amount of hoses needed, as well as the cost slightly.

    I have the room and don't think i'll ever go with redundant fuel pumps so its a good fit.
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    Few laps around SLMP. Playing with suspension pieces and tire pressures in the quick time I had in the dry on track. Rest of the weekend was spent in the WRX in the pouring rain.


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    No updates for a little while, but I haven't done all that much work on it recently. I did install the Radium unit and will be testing it this weekend at NYST. I paid for both days, and it finally seems the weather will be on my side for them. Sleeping in the truck for both nights at the track.

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    Mid day update- I'm at NYST for today and tomorrow. It's going meh. The car started right up this morning and got up to temp. Then after the driver's meeting and tech and the other sessions went, it wouldn't start. So I missed the first session. Cleaned plugs and it started up. Then went out for the second session and came in after one lap. No boost. So I found a formerly plugged nipple on the intake manifold and capped it. Third session was okay, but my mind and confidence were definitely not in it yet. Hopefully the track dries up a little (rained last night) and warms up after lunch and I can get some better lapping in.

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    Good luck today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamra View Post
    Good luck today!
    Thanks Tamra!

    The weekend at NYST went well. I had a boost leak that I couldn't find at first. It was probably better that way, because slowing down really helped my lines. Found out my intake manifold to BPV hose had a hole in it from heat (it rested close to the turbo). Simple replacement and the car was good as new. WOW it is freaking fast when it works well. Also my Radium surge tank held up very well; zero fuel starve, even when my tank was low. I absolutely love this thing on track. I rode in a few other cars...even if they're as fast, they don't compare in excitement to me. I have high hopes for the future in this car.

    Had some mild heatsoak, played with suspension stuff a little, and tried to fix my line on the track. Also got to ride a friend's bike around the track- what a thrill! My parents came up for the day and rode in the 818 with me. They loved it. Such a fun car. Though it DEFINITELY handles worse with a passenger! It's too bad when they rode in it I had a boost leak. Also spun the car (after playing with rear suspension a little too much) with my dad in the car (video later). Nothing got damaged and we had a laugh.



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    Great photos - so beautiful with the fall foliage!! Glad everything went well.
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    What a beautiful place with the fall foliage! I see it is a private track with memberships and event fees. I was wondering how it was that you were able to have people in your car (unless you have instructor status).
    It's three hours away for me. Seems like it would be a good test and tune place. Easier than going all the way to Watkins Glen! I guess I'll have to call. I can't tell how they run an event.
    I'm glad you are having a blast in the car. What's the longest time you were out for at a stretch? The overheating issues obviously come to mind. Was the heat-soak from sitting or a gradual buildup?
    Good luck and thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamra View Post
    Great photos - so beautiful with the fall foliage!! Glad everything went well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scargo View Post
    What a beautiful place with the fall foliage! I see it is a private track with memberships and event fees. I was wondering how it was that you were able to have people in your car (unless you have instructor status).
    It's three hours away for me. Seems like it would be a good test and tune place. Easier than going all the way to Watkins Glen! I guess I'll have to call. I can't tell how they run an event.
    I'm glad you are having a blast in the car. What's the longest time you were out for at a stretch? The overheating issues obviously come to mind. Was the heat-soak from sitting or a gradual buildup?
    Good luck and thanks for sharing.
    It was absolutely beautiful there. Amazing weather, too!

    Scargo, it is a private track. I paid $250 per day for this weekend. On Saturday we did 4 sessions per hour (expert and novice car, expert and novice bike). We went from 9-5 with a lunch break so 7 sessions for a total of 1:45 on track. Sunday we combined the car group since there were almost no cars so we had 20 minute sessions and the last one went way long. A total of ~2:30 on track. The other time I went here with the 818 was on a Friday where a Subaru group rented the entire track. We did 20 minute sessions and I went out for the expert ones and some of the intermediate ones towards the end of the day (when there were almost no more cars left on track). I got over 2 hours of time that day, total. And a few ride alongs with instructors.

    Once they get to know you (I've been here once before with the 818), they don't mind if you take a rider as long as you're a little more careful with your lapping while they're in there. It's a very relaxed atmosphere with camping on site, really nice facilities (showers in the bathrooms, everything is clean, food served on site), and a beautiful track surface. I'm likely going to get a membership next season and frequent the track. I highly recommend you come one day next year. A great group of guys and a decent amount of seat time. Also, a very technical course (you can see my first track day here to get a look at the track from the car. This is great for me because I'm certainly the most limiting factor in the car's lap times at the moment and it's teaching me a ton.


    The overheating/heat soak happened when I did things like let the car idle for ~10 mins in direct sunlight trouble shooting boost leaks, then went onto the track. It also happened if I pitted mid session and then went back out. Besides that, airflow was fine there, likely mostly because I do NOT have the deck lid on(or whatever you call the non hinged piece over the TMIC). I know this drastically reduces aero, so I'm excited to have more grip someday in exchange for heat issues.
    Last edited by Pearldrummer7; 10-12-2015 at 01:05 PM.

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    Sounds like another great day.

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    So no oil temp issues on your end?

    Nice pix! And it must be really great having a car that runs! Or runs fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    So no oil temp issues on your end?

    Nice pix! And it must be really great having a car that runs! Or runs fast.
    Didn't wanna rub in the oil temp thing with Chad's problems. 229 was all I hit according to the gauge. Didn't feel like it slowed down really except the heat soak thing when I idled a lot. Went away once I went down the straight.

    Edit- again, I have an open top over the engine (doesn't fit with my TMIC) and it was only 55-70*ambient (in the shade, so plus sun). So it should be better now than once it's got aero completed. I wouldn't call it conclusive on my part.

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    Hey frank, enjoying your build. Glad your weekend went well. Had a skim through it once I realized your running the wheels I'm "trying" to buy. It seems impossible to find 17x8 or 17x8.5 wheels in the same colour as 18x9.5's. I can get the fronts in silver and gold, and the rears in flat black, bronze, and sbc. So frustrating. Waiting to hear back from a Canadian website offering them in all gold, fingers crossed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearldrummer7 View Post
    Edit- again, I have an open top over the engine (doesn't fit with my TMIC) and it was only 55-70*ambient (in the shade, so plus sun). So it should be better now than once it's got aero completed. I wouldn't call it conclusive on my part.
    Yeah I agree!! Let's wait and see once it's all in place.
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    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
    Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
    Build Completed Winter 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    Hey frank, enjoying your build. Glad your weekend went well. Had a skim through it once I realized your running the wheels I'm "trying" to buy. It seems impossible to find 17x8 or 17x8.5 wheels in the same colour as 18x9.5's. I can get the fronts in silver and gold, and the rears in flat black, bronze, and sbc. So frustrating. Waiting to hear back from a Canadian website offering them in all gold, fingers crossed!
    Thanks! I went through Oakos Automotive who found me my wheels, as you can see....in silver and gunmetal. No one has ever even asked or pointed out that they don't match. I don't mind the color mismatch, personally. Which is a damn good thing because it seems hard to get in the same color.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Yeah I agree!! Let's wait and see once it's all in place.
    I can't wait to deliver on that one, Frank! Next season will be a lot more telling, I think.

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