Why?

[Big-Foot]

Did someone mention Chocolate Chip Cookies???

[Dave Smith]

The charter of this site is community NOT Factory Five Racing. Our company will be fine either way, but the community can be hurt when things like forums change hands in some ways. CHARITY has defined the FFR community. I could tell you literally 100's of stories of selflessness and fellowship and I dont know 10 percent of them. My daughter and kids with CF have benefitted tremendously from the money raised (all of which goes 100% to the charity) for Cystic Fibrosis. In big ways and small, the FFR community is already defined by charity. This forum will return to community with low ad rates to ENCOURAGE the guys who innovate and reward them with access to the community. I wont speak for Bill, but I will state clearly that this forum has a charter that is simply to build the community. Charity is assumed and already an installed part of a really good group of people because they are a really good group of people.

DAve Smith
FFR001

[Rob J]

So, is speedking our first troll???

[Cameron Autosports]

I think this is a great idea. We can still enjoy the FFCars Forum. I'm looking forward to seeing the same faces here.

[slaga]

So, is speedking our first troll???

Meat, reincarnate.

[efnfast]

I guess you missed the fact that the Cobra community (real, replica,otherwise) as a whole (not just one forum,but all forums and members and kit car manufacturers who wish to participate) does this once a year with Cystic Fibrosis.It does not matter what Bill P does or does not do, he is out of the picture and has his own family issues to deal with (which may have been one of the reasons he sold). Honestly, to keep bringing him in to this and rehashing the past does nothing for the future of the Cobra community. It happened, this site happened, let's all move on and make a successful web forum.


Bill S.

PS: Now, how about some chocolate chip cookies

Do you have a link to the information about the charity event? That's actually the first time I've heard of it (I guess my head's been in the sand, lol!) and would like to learn more for this year about it.

Also, cookies...gimmie gimmie gimmie

[2savage]

Huh?

I suppose that could be targeting me... I'm a moderator on ffcars and don't currently own an FFR. But I've built 6 of them....
Not really concerned about Post Count.. More concerned about post quality and usefulness..

Randy, you're cool, don't sweat it. The moderators at FFCARS.COM have done an excellent job to keep the peace, keep the politics down and keep distructive forces away. Dave Smith would do well to bring you all on board. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And, as for not owning an FFR, I am carless at the moment but after building two and winning Targa Newfoundland with one of them I think I can slide for a while.

Great to see all the old handles showing up. As Bill (Mr Mustang) said, lets just get on with whatever. Lifes too short.

[ratdog]

Were are the cookies!!!

[mikeinatlanta]

In all honesty, I'd say the mods of ffcars.com are the best of what that site has to offer. I love you guys...Can I have your Bud Light?

[Don Wright]

As a vendor for many years on FFCars, it was very important to me that the forum ran well and offered a safe haven for my meager advertising dollars. From my perspective, everyone involved did a banner job of directing that forum through the years. I gave some when the call went out for help against the suit - not so much as to help Bill or the forum, but to make my small statement that the community was worth protecting from being stamped out - that community is safer now and exists regardless of where we might call home. As we've seen overseas lately, the net is powerful - but a sense of belonging and community is more powerful still. I'd love to see this place, this community, grow and add even more depth and value to our lives. It's been a big part of mine so far.

All the best, Don

[Jeff Kleiner]

Do you have a link to the information about the charity event? That's actually the first time I've heard of it (I guess my head's been in the sand, lol!) and would like to learn more for this year about it.

Also, cookies...gimmie gimmie gimmie

http://www.londoncobrashow.com/

The event has existed in various names and forms since 2001. Proceeds go to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. It all began with chocolate chip cookies. Mr. Peirce has been one of the event's benefactors over the years. Keep your head up Alex!

Jeff

[Hoosier]

So, is speedking our first troll???

He is probably cobrabob99 who has some sort of issue with 2FAST4U. He was banned on the other site for antagonizing Bill.

[frankeeski]

Did someone mention Chocolate Chip Cookies???

I can give you my recipe for Potato Pancakes. Mmm, comfort food.

[Big-Foot]

I can give you my recipe for Potato Pancakes. Mmm, comfort food.

Oh YES!!!!

I love them steamin' hot with a pad of butter and Maple Syrup...

Is it time for breakfast again???

((Drool))

[Rob J]

He is probably cobrabob99 who has some sort of issue with 2FAST4U. He was banned on the other site for antagonizing Bill.

Funny, I was thinking that same thing.

It's always a handful of people who have to cause the grief.

[AZJoker]

I think this will be a good thing. Makes sense........new owners of the other site....losing site or never having any in the first place?

What writing is on the wall. Smart move Mr. Smith.

[The Stig]

I for one am VERY Happy they did it. Personally for me with all the money that got donated to the lawsuit, then the sell out, I've got a bad taste left in my mouth. REAL BAD.

I've always believe that everyone has their own mind, and their own oppinion about things that happen in life.

But in regard to Bill Pierce and the FFCars forum, I don't really think it's fair to throw everything that he endured into a single pile.

For years, he did everything that he could, to make sure that the forum was alive and available to anyone interested in Factory Five related info. I would have to think that the majority of "members" are still not paying members. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Bill busted his butt to keep things going, even for those who weren't helping to support it.

Then Carol ****** comes along, and thinks that anyone who takes part in the Cobra Replica hobby should be sued. He set his sights on Bill and the "ffcobra" forum. He was already after Factory Five, trying to rape them as well.

In any event, Bill carried the cost of attorneys needed to defend himself against ******'s thugs, (I mean attorneys), for as long as he could before asking for help from the forum members.

He could have just let it fold and walk away with little impact to himself, but he went the extra mile(s) to make sure the the forum remained a viable source, and stayed in tact going forward.



Through all of this, and Because all of this, his personal life took a large hit. And I'm wondering how many of us would not have made the same decision that he was faced with?

1. Keep pouring all of his time and energy into maintaining the forum?
2. Close the forum?
3. Sell the forum to a company that will keep it available for the members?

I think that given the circumstances, he made the choice that was right for him. I also feel that he did a hell of a great job trying to keep this community of people and Factory Five Info Resource together.

Do I feel that my money was spent badly by trying to help him out? No, not in the least. He proved himself over and over, to be one of the truly good people of the forum.

I'd do it again if he needed it.


Now, with all that being said, I am very glad to be a part of this new forum. I think the one thing that was missing from the ffcars forum, was open participation from Factory Five. Now we'll have that as well.

Thanks Bill Pierce for all that you did for us, and Thank Dave Smith for what you're setting out to do for us to keep this going well into the future.

[geoffav]

I personaly think its great a fresh start, and Dave please no private section look at what that turned in to, a disgrace would not even come close to discribing it.

I really like a Pub type place but it would be hard to have it and shield those with no interest in it.

The worst thing about the old FFcars is the mods. There are mods there that don't even own a FFR, just trying to get the post count up!

Actually the Mods over there are awesome, especially the staff in the 33 section.

[Mike_R]

I'm just here for the cookies. So gimmie one!

[AZJoker]

I never heard of any issues with the mods on the other site. They kept things in line so we wouldnt end up hating each other.

[jabm]

I've always believe that everyone has their own mind, and their own oppinion about things that happen in life.

But in regard to Bill Pierce and the FFCars forum, I don't really think it's fair to throw everything that he endured into a single pile.

For years, he did everything that he could, to make sure that the forum was alive and available to anyone interested in Factory Five related info. I would have to think that the majority of "members" are still not paying members. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Bill busted his butt to keep things going, even for those who weren't helping to support it.

Then Carol ****** comes along, and thinks that anyone who takes part in the Cobra Replica hobby should be sued. He set his sights on Bill and the "ffcobra" forum. He was already after Factory Five, trying to rape them as well.

In any event, Bill carried the cost of attorneys needed to defend himself against ******'s thugs, (I mean attorneys), for as long as he could before asking for help from the forum members.

He could have just let it fold and walk away with little impact to himself, but he went the extra mile(s) to make sure the the forum remained a viable source, and stayed in tact going forward.



Through all of this, and Because all of this, his personal life took a large hit. And I'm wondering how many of us would not have made the same decision that he was faced with?

1. Keep pouring all of his time and energy into maintaining the forum?
2. Close the forum?
3. Sell the forum to a company that will keep it available for the members?

I think that given the circumstances, he made the choice that was right for him. I also feel that he did a hell of a great job trying to keep this community of people and Factory Five Info Resource together.

Do I feel that my money was spent badly by trying to help him out? No, not in the least. He proved himself over and over, to be one of the truly good people of the forum.

I'd do it again if he needed it.


Now, with all that being said, I am very glad to be a part of this new forum. I think the one thing that was missing from the ffcars forum, was open participation from Factory Five. Now we'll have that as well.

Thanks Bill Pierce for all that you did for us, and Thank Dave Smith for what you're setting out to do for us to keep this going well into the future.

Well said!

[tim-in-oakton]

Any mod that volunteers for the headaches of moderating this group of lunatics like us without currently owning an FFR deserves applause!
And X2 on the supporting members area - it's a good idea and a place where "boys can be boys". Optional entertainment at it's best!
timm

[Zulu]

Well said Stig and agree whole heartedly..... for many years Bill did everything without $$ help...

Loudest noise seems to be from newer guys who dont know long history.....

[accobra66]

Well, we all knew it would not take long for all of this B.S. to start. If you like the other forum more, then go there. Some will view both, some won't. To each his own.

I think this is going to be the sticky part for FFR to moderate. This type of B.S. In the past they have been able to sit back and keep a neutral stance as a sort of 3rd party. Even thought the "moderators" on this site are not employed by FFR (as far as I know...not making accusations, just no assumptions), I think FFR will still be lumped into social or political stances that require moderators to govern and in the end the site is owned by FFR. All I am saying is it may not be as "clean" as it was for FFR in the past. Either way, they will survive due to those "level minded" of their customers. I think this is a great move, a change was needed clearly IMO with the change of events. I look forward to reasonable advertising rates for the vendors (3rd party) that have helped to make FFR what it has become (I am not one of those, just saying).

[frankeeski]

Besides the cookies and potato pancakes, the whole "why" or "why not" has many layers and I don't think any of us as members can really know the answers because we are not going to get all of the parties involved to do a conference call with us. It is interesting though to see familiar names here on this forum that have animatedly expressed that they would never become members here. Welcome guys.