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    Looks beautiful! I'm trying to get a ballpark for total material used. I really like a few of VViViD's colors, but am not sure which roll size to start with. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Looks beautiful! I'm trying to get a ballpark for total material used. I really like a few of VViViD's colors, but am not sure which roll size to start with. Thanks!
    60-70ft by 5ft wide. I originally ordered 50ft x 5ft and was just a little too short.
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    That much? They usually sell 50-55 for a car with top. Did you make a few mistakes and needed to trash some pieces?
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    I've seen elsewhere that it is recommended to add 10-15% if you are new to wrapping over a professional job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    I've seen elsewhere that it is recommended to add 10-15% if you are new to wrapping over a professional job.
    It was because of those recommendations that I got 50ft to begin with. The issue I found was that the side panels are very long and if want a single piece run front to back you'll end up with alot of useless material. I made one mistake with a front fender where I had to scrap some material, but to counter that I did not apply any of the base color material to the rear humps. Also I used 5 pieces on the rear bumper to be more conservative.

    In total I needed:
    60ft x 5ft blue (1 mid size mistake) no rear humps
    15ft x 5ft black
    10ft x 5ft orange
    2 x rolls of knifeless tape

    If your experienced at wrapping and conservative with the material then 50ft may be enough. This was my first attempt at wrapping and honestly my side pieces would not be considered "professional quality" had I not done it myself I would be taking it back to the shop for them to redo it. Which means I need more material on top of the list above.
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Thank you for making me buy another 20ft. Good thing is TODAY ONLY Vvivid is selling at 20% discount with "LOVEDAY" coupon.
    Frank
    818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 GT3582R ~400whp/wtq+
    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    Car looks great! I do have a couple questions on your build - 1) I ran through the pages real quick, I didn't see any details on the headlights - custom? 2) The outside door handles - what are they off of? What all was required to add them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by axelthrasher View Post
    Car looks great! I do have a couple questions on your build - 1) I ran through the pages real quick, I didn't see any details on the headlights - custom? 2) The outside door handles - what are they off of? What all was required to add them?
    1) See the "Old Headlight Thread" http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...ts-(old)/page3

    2) Handles are from a Fiat. The install was very easy, almost as if they were made for this car.
    Handles: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post208880
    Install: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post208825
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Had an alignment and corner balance performed. Here's the specs.

    Driver weight: 140 lbs
    Tire Pressure: 28 psi
    Vehicle Weight (with driver & 3/4tank fuel): 2243 lbs
    LF: 509, RF: 473, LR: 648, RR: 613
    Cross weight: 50%, Left: 51.6%, Right 48.4%, Front: 43.8%, Rear 56.2%

    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Really a great looking car with a lot of attention to detail. I wished I had of looked you up when I was in Dallas recently.
    Would you say you balance is typical? Seems some were lighter in the front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scargo View Post
    Really a great looking car with a lot of attention to detail. I wished I had of looked you up when I was in Dallas recently.
    Would you say you balance is typical? Seems some were lighter in the front?
    I'm not sure what typical is for this car. In the front I have a sway bar, ABS module, standard lead battery, steel LCAs, reinforced hood, AWIC radiator, speakers. I've also added sound deadener mat all around the cockpit, rubber undercoating to all the body panels and some of the aluminum panels. Hitting the 818kg mark was not a high priority for me so there are a lot of places where I could lose weight/mass.
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Cross weights are right on, I assume you are not going to track the car a lot ?
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    It will see track time Just not sure how much.
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
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    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Mondays Dont Suck Car Show

    I took the 818 out to a local car show Monday night, I got to walk away with their Best of the Month award!





    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchStone View Post
    I took the 818 out to a local car show Monday night, I got to walk away with their Best of the Month award!






    Very Cool!!!
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    Looks awesome! Congrats
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    Great award! Well deserved!

    Just noticed your rear tires are quite inside the fenders. You have 255s?
    Frank
    818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 GT3582R ~400whp/wtq+
    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    Sweet!

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    Well done! It validates your awesome build.

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    That is too cool! Well deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    Great award! Well deserved!

    Just noticed your rear tires are quite inside the fenders. You have 255s?
    Yes they are 255s I also have 5mm spacers all around.
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    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    I'm impressed, I have 265s without spacers and they barely fit, will probably rub (fender-wise).
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    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    Man your car looks great and a ride to be really proud of, congrats.

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    Time to move on to bigger and better projects!

    For sale at: http://r.ebay.com/mFjASd
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    nice you got the obligatory car show plaque. next stop is one of those creepy leaning dolls.

    selling already? you didn't even get a full summer of driving out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longislandwrx View Post
    nice you got the obligatory car show plaque. next stop is one of those creepy leaning dolls.

    selling already? you didn't even get a full summer of driving out of it.

    GLWS




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    "Hybrid 2.5L Subaru Boxster STI "
    I want to build another kit, maybe a 65 Coupe. Its taking up my garage and selling it would help fund the new project!
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    I'm disappointed, your car looks really awesome. But in the end it's a matter of progressing in your fun and projects, so I support your sale.
    Frank
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    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Looks great Josh
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    I'm interested in how much you put into it (both hard cash and time) vs. how much you sold it for. It's generally accepted that all kits are money losers unless you can turn them over very efficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdnCarNut View Post
    I'm interested in how much you put into it (both hard cash and time) vs. how much you sold it for. It's generally accepted that all kits are money losers unless you can turn them over very efficiently.
    That's difficult to answer. I think you need to decide whether you are building a kit as a hobby or as a business. I believe if your build it as a hobby then your time should not be factored into the price as its for enjoyment or a learning experience. If your trying to turn a profit you would need to come up with a build model that minimizes build time and parts cost while maintaining a high standard of quality. While the latter of these would be interesting to design I personally would not want to actually take part in the actual build/s.

    To answer your question about my build cash cost plus time cost was around $55K-60K. Cash cost only $35K-$40K. Since I built it for fun and learning and got to do some autocross and driving afterwards I think it was well worth it. I should also mention that this kit introduced me to a number of great people and new friends; introduced me to autoX and track days; I'm now building a Spec Miata racecar and doing the build out myself; I also perform all the service on my daily driver. If you consider all this then I definitely came out ahead.
    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Like (most) race cars (or kit cars), don't expect a good $$ return on your investment- the fun factor in building and driving it is the best you can do.
    I used to try to make myself feel better about my race cars by considering what the "arrive and drive" or rental types pay for a weekend. At those rates, you can justify a lot of the costs of building or buying if you do a even a few races per year. 'Agreed on the benefit of meeting great people along the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchStone View Post
    To answer your question about my build cash cost plus time cost was around $55K-60K.
    How did you factor in the time cost? 50/h? You built fast!! At that rate, my time cost alone is 165k! lollll

    You really did an awesome job on the wrap quality, too bad I couldn't pay you to do mine.
    Last edited by Frank818; 09-27-2017 at 07:51 PM.
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    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank818 View Post
    How did you factory in the time cost? 50/h? You built fast!! At that rate, my time cost alone is 165k! lollll

    You really did an awesome job on the wrap quality, too bad I couldn't pay you to do mine.
    165K! Thats a 18 month 9-5 job! I just guesstimated the time at ~600hrs. It seems reasonable but I could be off by quite a bit. I stopped counting hours after the 2nd week.
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    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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    Yeah 1.5 years full time, at the minimum. Then if I take your way of calculation, I'm off the charts. lolll But that being said, your wrap is astonishing and the buyer has to take that into account. That work alone is worth a lot of money.
    And yeah you did build fast! Sticking to H4 saves a lot of time.
    Frank
    818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 GT3582R ~400whp/wtq+
    Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
    Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017

    Bulid time, including registration 3283.5h in 148 work week time and 3.5 years elapsed

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    Loving the colors, and planning to try to wrap my car as well, so you and Frank are clearly inspirations to follow when I get to that step. On the black and orange, how do you apply the different colors? Would love any tips you have there on getting the seams right when you do that too.
    -Steve

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    Miata Project Report

    Quick update on what I've been doing:

    About a year and a half ago I bought a 92' Miata and have been building it out for Spec Miata racing. The build is now finished and I've been running the car mostly on HPDE track days. Last month tho we took it out for its first competition event a Champ Car endurance race at Harris Hills Raceway. During race 1 of 2 we had the engine blow out spectacularly, complete with fireball under the car. Our team spent the entire night successfully swapping the engine. On the next day, second race, we ended up 9th of 42 overall and 5th of 17 in our class. I'm super excited and looking forward to running more events.

    I've got build photos and videos from various track events on my youtube channel.

    https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/0OUqztB5Ganwn2DybZOOx04A8SlvsOu0DKbtWqGyyAQ

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    Car on the day I picked it up. Paid about $1,600
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    On grid for its first competition race.
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    818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
    Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
    Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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