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    "two exciting new offerings" at Sema speculation

    Hi all, i'm sure you already know if you receive emails from FFR but they sent out a message yesterday reading:

    "It's SEMA Time!
    It's that time of year when 10 hour days are the minimum, and the entire crew is focused on getting ready for the annual SEMA Show. This year, we have some fun surprises planned, and we are going to be pulling the wraps off of two exciting new offerings that we've been working on for the past year.

    For those of you who know me, you know that I have a hard time keeping secrets, BUT this time I've been pretty good and haven't tipped my hand to too many people. The show is a month away, and the surprises will be unveiled on our website at the same time as the show opens.

    In the meantime, we'll be working hard building kits as usual and putting the finishing touches on the SEMA cars."


    To me, at least, "pulling the wraps off" sounds like a car... and there's TWO! My money would be on a GTM facelift/spyder being one and, since the 818 was just redesigned an entirely new vehicle maybe. (GT40 seriously it's about time lol) But then they do also say that it's been worked on for the past year and a face lift and new car would require an incredibly fast pace. Maybe they're just special editions of cars already in their lineup like the 20th anniversary cars. Idk it's got me wondering.

    What do you guys think?
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    Come on now!! I'm working on a donor. I'm gonna be MAD if they release a car I want to build instead of the 818 after I spend $$ on the donor!!

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    I'm guessing "special editions" of stuff they already have. If they indeed have been only working 1 year on their SEMA show stuff, it would not be enough time to design a new kit. But who is to say really? They could have been working on a new GTM or other for some time now and just have been pushing hard to finish it in the last year to get it out for SEMA. Either way, it's always exciting to know that some new stuff is coming out.....(and yes ...it better not be a GT40 kit....I'll have a GTM up for sale quickly).

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    Perhaps they are working with Forza to make the GTM and 818 available!

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    The GTM is as close as they will ever to get a GT40 due to litigation worries.

    My guess would be an updated coupe, and/or an update to the 33 hotrod - maybe a 1932 nose, or a 4 seater configuration or a flatbed truck (Ute) option on the 33?

    All just wild speculation though - still, it gives us something to do until the unveiling. Of course, it could be a hard top for the 818R?

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    I just saw on the facebook page a reference to a "731 HP supercharged Coyote" for the new car. Certainly puts it out of my price range for a first build, so at least there's that! Can't wait to see what Dave has in store for us!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbomacncheese View Post
    I just saw on the facebook page a reference to a "731 HP supercharged Coyote" for the new car.
    Based on that;
    Maybe they have a new Ford centric version of the GTM that uses the coyote and the new mustang suspension.
    But;
    I would prefer the other newbie was an awd truggy with a subi powerplant
    Or better yet a 33pick-up or even better a sedan delivery 33
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    That Facebook page is odd. Dave is usually very articulate, but it could be interpreted as two engines in one car he way it is written.

    I'm guessing a typo.

    Unless it's a new car and a convertible of the new car.
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    I'm going with a complete 818 kit using the ecoboost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    The GTM is as close as they will ever to get a GT40 due to litigation worries.
    Shame, I live in hope of getting another one some day..

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    One of them will be a considerably updated Type 65 Coupe with larger doors and a space frame structure.
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    Ford power for the GTM?

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    That would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRacer View Post
    Shame, I live in hope of getting another one some day..
    If you want one of those, you'll either have to buy a new one, a real (old one), or go another kit car company route.
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    I personally hope that they would:

    1. Update the Type-65 by giving it operational windows.
    2. Bring back the Type-65 Spyder.
    3. Build a Truck and/or Woodie version of the 33 Hot Rod.
    4. Offer an LS option for the Roadster, FIA and Type-65.
    5. Create removable hard top option for the MK-4 & FIA cars.

    Man, my list can go on and on, but whatever Dave and the Factory Five Team decide to do, know that it will great!
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    If a GT40 is off limits legally, why is Superformance able to manufacture one for so long without trouble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben1272 View Post
    If a GT40 is off limits legally, why is Superformance able to manufacture one for so long without trouble?
    Licensing agreement with Shelby American.
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    I just read on wikipedia it is not Shelby, but rather a company called Safir Engineering.....they license it to SP. I would think there would be MANY more gt40 sales if FFR made one. Maybe it is an exclusive license? Oh well, it would be nice....I and so many others have wanted on forever and FFR is THE company to do it right and cost effectively. One can hope for the future.

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    I actually inquired about the GT-40 kit sold by Superformance. A rolling kit with no engine or transaxle; assembled and wired already; out the door for $119k. I was like, "Thank you. Have a nice day." I proceeded right to Factory Five to find something else.

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    There are a number of companies building GT40 replicas, RCR, Cav, Pace, ERA, Tornado, Roaring Forties...
    If FFR wanted to, they could.
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    The GTM was originally going to be a GT40...then the lawsuits began and it had to be changed. We will not ever see a GT 40 roll out of Wareham. SEMA will see the introduction of an all new Daytona Coupe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner View Post
    The GTM was originally going to be a GT40...then the lawsuits began and it had to be changed. We will not ever see a GT 40 roll out of Wareham. SEMA will see the introduction of an all new Daytona Coupe.

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    With Functional Windows?

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    I like the idea of an updated Coupe, especially since I'm nearly ready to buy. I wonder if they'd let me choose between the new and old version if one suited my modification path better than the other.

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    I'm going to vote for a roadster increased in every dimension by a few percent, so proportions remain right, to fit the big and tall. Maybe, oh maybe, if I wish on a shooting star while throwing a coin into a fountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDadGo View Post

    With Functional Windows?
    I may be mistaken (I hope I am) but I don't recall roll down windows being mentioned as a driver for the new design. Larger doors (to ease access/egress) and the ability to fit a variety of motors were mentioned.
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    An R version of the type-65
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFRSpec72 View Post
    An R version of the type-65
    I always thought of the type-65 was an R version. Better aerodynamics than the roadster. Maybe not as R as it could be (i.e. no roll cage pre-designed/fitted etc).

    Either way, I'm sure FFR will have a great booth. Keen to see what they come up with.

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    all this talk of an overhauled type 65 is scary seeing as I'm just about to finish mine... LOL hopefully nothing too major that can't be retrofitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_Ingermann View Post
    all this talk of an overhauled type 65 is scary seeing as I'm just about to finish mine... LOL hopefully nothing too major that can't be retrofitted.
    It's a comprehensive redesign so while I certainly don't know all the details, I would doubt very much that the body (wider doors etc) can be retrofitted.

    I know the feeling, since the Mk 4 was released well before I was done with my Mk 3. The key improvement being the more accurate rear body profile (no more "perky butt"). I seem to recall that there were some that fitted a Mk 4 body on an earlier chassis, but unless you're going to have to replace the body anyway e.g. due to a collision, it's going to be a pretty expensive proposition. Once I got over the "new model regret" I'm perfectly happy with my Mk 3 as I am sure you'll be with your current model Type 65.
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    ram_g: Where did you and others hear even some of the details? I feel like I've seen webpage after webpage about the Type 65 since I'm deep in planning but this is really the first I've heard of it. Some super secret section of the forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by q4stix View Post
    ram_g: Where did you and others hear even some of the details? I feel like I've seen webpage after webpage about the Type 65 since I'm deep in planning but this is really the first I've heard of it. Some super secret section of the forum?
    May have inadvertently broken protocol so deleting this for the moment at least.
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    I have no source for my information. Pure speculation for the fun of it. Always interesting to get a sense of others would like to see.

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    Guys

    Many people know exactly what Factory Five is working on and will be bringing to SEMA. If you have ever been to factory five Dave and crew always take time to show you what is going on and what they have coming up. Please let them share the news with the world and keep any inside info to yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by stack View Post
    Guys

    Many people know exactly what Factory Five is working on and will be bringing to SEMA. If you have ever been to factory five Dave and crew always take time to show you what is going on and what they have coming up. Please let them share the news with the world and keep any inside info to yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I always thought of the type-65 was an R version. Better aerodynamics than the roadster. Maybe not as R as it could be (i.e. no roll cage pre-designed/fitted etc).

    Either way, I'm sure FFR will have a great booth. Keen to see what they come up with.

    Martin
    No it takes a lot to make the Type-65 race ready and pass tech inspection, roll cage modifications, entry/exit issues, line of sight issues, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stack View Post
    Guys
    Many people know exactly what Factory Five is working on and will be bringing to SEMA. If you have ever been to factory five Dave and crew always take time to show you what is going on and what they have coming up. Please let them share the news with the world and keep any inside info to yourself stack
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    Inside info aside, and it's really only that IF Dave asked them not to share it, this kind of thread is very useful. Dave wants to start a buzz, that has happened, further it is a great way to see what people are asking for/want to see as a new product from FF. I don't have a dog in this fight but from my POV no one has revealed any big secret or ruined the buzz.
    Looks like a newer type 65 is coming so what's the other "new" thing, lets hear a wish list.
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    I'm with myjones on this one, although I clearly see both sides.
    Since I've been making plans and started to buy a couple parts, knowing of a big change that would keep me from using any parts would make me concerned.
    Hearing that there could be a new version is exciting, so that makes me all the more interested in the reveal and picking apart the car to see all the changes they made. If people said the coupe was staying the same, I'd personally be a lot less interested in the reveals.

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