Is there a part number for the baer bumpsteer kit everyone seems to be using?
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Is there a part number for the baer bumpsteer kit everyone seems to be using?
baer 3851001 from summit $175
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818S #22 Candy Blue Frame, Front Gas Tank, 2.5L Turbo, Rear radiator, Shortened Transmission, Wookiee Compatible, Console mounted MR2 Shifter, Custom ECU panel, AWIC soon
My Son Michael's Turbo ICE Build X22 http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...rts-818S-Build
My Electric Supercar Build X21 (on hold until winter) http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...e-Build-Thread
thanks bob, I take I the taper for the rod end matches the spindle?
You can also do what Rasmus and I did (among others I'm sure) and make your own
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...l=1#post155567
Frank - Build thread
I see on Bob and Cincy's pic. that the blue bolt on strut mount tabs (on lca) seem to be mounted opposite direction to others. Which is correct?
Will this work for a '06 WRX?
Hi Tmoretta,
Most pictures in the manual have the lower shock mount bracket the opposite as mine.
The manual also has a cad picture showing it the other way.
During my build, I always gave priority to the engineering cad drawings.
Bob
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818S #22 Candy Blue Frame, Front Gas Tank, 2.5L Turbo, Rear radiator, Shortened Transmission, Wookiee Compatible, Console mounted MR2 Shifter, Custom ECU panel, AWIC soon
My Son Michael's Turbo ICE Build X22 http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...rts-818S-Build
My Electric Supercar Build X21 (on hold until winter) http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...e-Build-Thread
Here are the parts I sourced out to get a bump steer kit that would work, height wise and ajustable (LH and RH Threads), it is chaper by a small margin over the Baer and other kits (and no spindle modification required)
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjust...=91636055PINTO
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search...+Inch+x+1+Inch
http://www.racecraft.com/index.php?m...21083&x=21&y=8
http://steinjager.com/shop/index.php...earch=J0041201
Last edited by FFRSpec72; 11-29-2016 at 11:05 AM.
Tony Nadalin
2018 SOVREN Big Bore Champion
2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
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Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Update on the bump steer and spindle adapters, both are installed, I did take the rod end studs to a machine shop to mill off a slight amount as the angle/taper was not exact, but it will work, I just wanted to be 100% sure I don't have issues on the track. Also I used the 5.5" sleeves and the 3.5" may be better, so I updated the links to the 3.5. With the new spindle adapters the tire is real close to rubbing on upper balljoint so may back off little on the angle of the spindle adapter or add a 5mm wheel spacer
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Tony Nadalin
2018 SOVREN Big Bore Champion
2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
You had to cut the OEM rod ends?
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Looks good Tony. I'll be bookmarking this thread for when I get on the road with my S. Then I'll make the adjustments after driving for a bit.
Harley
Bought 2002 Donor Jan 2014
First Start Jan 18, 2015
First Drive Feb 14, 2015
Looks great, Tony. Pretty much exactly what I did on my R
Frank - Build thread
Tony Nadalin
2018 SOVREN Big Bore Champion
2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
Is there a consensus that a bumpsteer kit is required on both S/C and R? Some people may not care if it bump steers, my question is not subjective here but factual.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Agree I believe it would be a benefit on the S, must on the R
I am currently looking at buying these parts.
Tony did you choose the GM or Pinto taper jam nuts on the rod end adapter stud?
You got the extra long 2.625" rod ends from Heims, is it cuz there's no safe way to use the much cheaper standard 1.625" long ends?
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
I used the Pinto, not a 100% fit but close enough, for street usage, but I had them turned just a tad at a machine shop for a 100% fit, I think if you use the shorter rod ends you will be fine as you can see from the pic that that 5.5" sleeve takes up most of the threads, so a 3.5" sleeve and a short rod end will be fine
Tony Nadalin
2018 SOVREN Big Bore Champion
2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
Thanks so much man! I'm looking at sourcing now, as I got quoted 53 bucks for shipping of 2 rod ends at Steinjager... Damn Canada...
I wonder if that kit is sufficient for an S.
Jeff had 46-47mm spacers (1-7/8"), it seems you can do 50mm, yeah that'd be fine. Although Mitch went as down as 63mm. Still searching to understand how this works...
Last edited by Frank818; 12-08-2016 at 09:14 AM.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Maybe we should order them together Frank? Couldn't cost much to ship them from Quebec to Alberta after.
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818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
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Tony Nadalin
2018 SOVREN Big Bore Champion
2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
Excellent idea but in the meantime Tony explained that 2.625" long rods aren't required. The standard 1.6" or so are sufficient. Those can be had from ebay for 17 bucks a pair of shipping to Canada. However I am trying to have a quote on the RaceCraft sleeves. Also found out they sell it in ON, we'll see which ones is best and the benefits of doubling the order. Will keep ya posted in PM on that.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
I agree!!
You tell me but those look like USA made with pride: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Ste...lXhD0x&vxp=mtr
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
The longer sleeves will also help those of us whose rack isn't centred, so that a rack extension can be eliminated.
Adam _____ Instagram @PopesProjects____ YouTube Channel
818 SRX - #91
Arrived 01/02/2014
First Start 10/31/2016
First Drive 05/22/2017
Registered 10/25/2019 BRAP818
Looks like this bumpsteer thread is almost a year old. How is the Baer bumpsteer kit working on a S ride height of 4.5" -5"?? Are the tapered studs long enough?
I bought the baer bumpsteer kit and it made a huge difference in my car but It still needs a bit more. It drives pretty good on my S model with 4.5" of ground clearance. I will leave it for now as its not bad for me. but I am not picky.
I'm at 4.5" of clearance and I found with my bump-steer gauge that about 46mm in shim height was the perfect amount. The Baer tapered studs don't get you there. I'm sure the studs will help, but they won't get it ideal. I used all parts of the kit except the taper stud. I used a big bolt instead, and bought some aftermarket shims to get me to 46mm.
What's really needed to get it right are tie-rod extenders. About 2.5" per side. But the bump steer kit alone makes an enormous difference.
will this bolt in and work?
http://www.racecraft.com/index.php?m...9d29e0f396ca47
I'm having some wondering/tramlining/bump steer with my 818s and I'm trying to sort it out. Rear track bars are parallel. Alignment is -.5 camber,5 caster, .03 toe in front. -.5 camber and .10 toe in back. Ride height is 4.5. Would adding a bump steer kit help?
A bump steer kit would help but the pinto taper is not correct. It's close, but not close enough.
The baer kit 3851001 is listed for 02-05 WRX. I have 06 aluminum LCA. Is there a kit that will fit these?
I'm not at a place where I can check my hotmail account to see if I ordered that exact part number or not but I'm 95% certain that's the one that fits them all. The LCA doesn't factor into it. It's between the tie-rod and the spindle. So it should work fine.
To get enough shim, you'll need to order more shims online and use a big bolt (5/8" I think) - I should have pics in my build thread and C.PLavan documented the whole process as well, with pics. Just note that you won't need/want the same number of shims he did unless you are at the R ride height. If you are at the S height, you'll want about 46mm of shims.
This is going to be a stupid question... but u should be able to adjust the toe using the sleeves right? When I spin mine they just spin up and down on the rod and the end. I am assuming I got the either the sleeves backwards or the rod ends...
It should push/pull on both ends at the same time, otherwise the sleeve will move. On end needs to be left handed and the other right ended.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Thanks.. according to everything I read and a comment from Wayne of FB the ends are both RH
Hi after reviewing the Bear bump steer kit, it is not long enough to properly set the bump steer angle, even at 4.5" ride height. I'm upwards close to 5" ride height. To get the proper bump steer angle I need longer studs or big bolts with more spacers. this also places the load or the moment further from the spindle.
What would be wrong with raising the rack and centering it at the same time. The location of the rack would need to be mounted once the finished ride height is set.
TADA! no kit needed and the original configuration is used. The only issue I can see is the angle of the steering column will change slightly.
Am I missing something very important? I wonder it FFR set the rack to the original geometry of the WRX then lowered the car so much it messed up the proper angle. Any thoughts? Bad thing is it will require a bit of cutting and re welding. but hey its just part of the build, Right?
Check out a number of R builds, my spacer's were 2.5 inches + or - at 3.5" ride height
Hello after a bit of work on raising the rack and setting the bump steer. I added rack extensions of about 2.75" the rack boots are too short and I need longer boots does any body have a source? the boots need to be about 12" when at full turn right or left.