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    Ron, is that the Jaguar? I don't know what I'm looking for yet. I think the Honda wing above is undersized for the massive GTM rear, but it was the same on the Carrera GT. But the Carrera GT is a handful to drive and many have been totaled. My main goal is that the wing or spoiler work in tandem with the undercar aero, so I'm really targeting the area behind the diffuser.
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    Steve, I think what you describe is close to what I'm looking for, but would take a lot of time to build. Plus I worry about things like symmetry when doing something one-off like that. I'd rather modify something off-the-shelf if possible...
    For me, this car is function first, form second. I don't know how I feel about a huge wing on the car all the time when a much lesser device will give me plenty of downforce without all the drag of a 69" wing. I'm also not searching for the prettiest or coolest option, but I wouldn't consider an option that would be ugly.
    My roadster has the aerodynamics of a hippopotamus, but it is rock steady at 130 mph (highest speed on a track so far... But I'll be at Grattan Raceway in 4 weeks with a super long main straight). I can only imagine how steady this GTM is going to be!
    My track schedule so far this summer is Grattan Raceway, Autobahn CC, and Gingerman Raceway. But I'm also an alternate for a weekend at Indianapolis - both track setups, keeping my fingers crossed! That event requires a HANS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by beeman View Post
    Ron, is that the Jaguar? I don't know what I'm looking for yet. I think the Honda wing above is undersized for the massive GTM rear, but it was the same on the Carrera GT. But the Carrera GT is a handful to drive and many have been totaled. My main goal is that the wing or spoiler work in tandem with the undercar aero, so I'm really targeting the area behind the diffuser.
    Dave,

    Yep that's JX220 checkup on the numbers that it achieved with it's areo package, quite impressive. One of the main features/function was the rear diffuser, which aided in downforce

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    Dave-

    I understand your thoughts on the wing, and I think it makes a great deal of sense. Myself, I would never consider taking on a project like that for many of the reasons you mentioned. However, given your skill set, I didn't rule it out!

    I admire your plans for summer vacation! ;-o) Those should be some great racing weekends with lots of go fast opportunities! I look forward to hearing about them.

    All the best!

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    I’m planning on using a fiero wing on the back of our gen 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardRocker View Post
    Iím planning on using a fiero wing on the back of our gen 1.
    Something like this?



    I was looking at the Charger spoiler, very similar, with a little curvature to accent the rear of the GTM.



    I actually just ordered a different spoiler last night, I hope I can make it work.
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    Some good background noise in the shop today, hope to make some progress with electrics.

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    Made the rough cuts for the exhaust, do the Kooks tips tend to end up in the upper part of the cutouts? Or should I raise the rear body some?

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    Exactly. Same color car btw. I’ll prob have to make taller standoffs.

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    I don't recall what you've all done in the rear.....if you're still using the factory subframe? Normally, the bottom corner of the license plate area should align with the top rear corner of the subframe tube.....so you would need to mount a bracket to the top of the subframe tube to mount the license plate area of the body to it. I try to keep the exhaust centered or a bit below the center line of the opening in order to keep the heat away from the body as much as possible.
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    Ok Shane, I am definitely lower than that, I will move the body up some. Thanks

    This car will see quite a bit of track time, it concerns me to see a video like this, I'd hate to lose my rear wing at 150+. I don't disagree that the big APR wing looks great on the back of the GTM though, and if this was strictly a street car I would probably go that route. Leaning more towards a body mounted spoiler...

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    Had to move the wiper to stow the targa up front, the Honda S2000 wiper is nice, has little triangular wiper components that are easy to mount. Had to get this finished so I can remove the front windshield frame and install another one I have that has had the glass removed. It's in perfect shape and will be welded in permanently to the structure.



    Last edited by beeman; 05-29-2019 at 11:51 AM.
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    I like it. Functional with the undercar aero. Thoughts?









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    This is the first time I've made a fiberglass mold. Wish me luck...





    Last edited by beeman; 06-03-2019 at 06:25 AM.
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    Looks great! Good luck!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC View Post
    Looks great! Good luck!!
    Thanks, Shane. I really like it so far, I think it's going to work really well functionally and aesthetically. I added a couple more layers of cloth tonight to stiffen it up, then will smooth it out with body filler and make a mold, then a part. I think that would be better than finishing it as-is right?
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    Nice work. It's a bit "Daytona-esque"

    How is the forward view with the dash pod?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procision-Auto View Post
    Nice work. It's a bit "Daytona-esque"

    How is the forward view with the dash pod?
    Forward view is excellent, just the upper part of the dash pod enters the driving view. My seats are back at the upholsterer to create anti-submarine strap pass-throughs, once I get them back in I'll post a pic of the driving view. The short hood and slightly lowered front fenders make for a great view out front.
    Yes I definitely had the Daytona in mind, as well as some other 200mph designs including the 488 Pista. Like just about everything else on a production car, the spoiler is limited by parameters including rear visibility (some manufacturers like GM have gone to see-through polycarbonate spoilers as a compromise, I think some exotic manufacturers probably wouldn't even consider that). My spoiler will limit direct rear visibility, which makes deleting my firewall window an easier decision (replaced by insulation to decrease cockpit heat and noise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeman View Post
    Thanks, Shane. I really like it so far, I think it's going to work really well functionally and aesthetically. I added a couple more layers of cloth tonight to stiffen it up, then will smooth it out with body filler and make a mold, then a part. I think that would be better than finishing it as-is right?
    That is what I would do...yes.....although I'm glad you're the one who's going to have to make the part from that mould. ;-) That's going to be a real b!tch getting way down in there to the "bottom" of the mould (top of the spoiler) with fg and resin.....much like the rear body vents that we make here.

    Are you going to bond that whole thing directly to the body so it's all one piece?
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    I divided my Gen1 hatch into 2 parts. I was initially going to bond/glass in the rear hatch portion, but now I'm leaning towards making the rear portion removable (but not hinged) for access to the rear part of the engine bay. I am thinking about bonding the spoiler to this portion and making a small subframe underneath to support the aerodynamic stress. So the spoiler would ride on top of the body a little bit on each side where it's not bonded to the rear hatch piece.
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    That sounds like a good plan. I saw that you cut your hatch right behind the glass there. Making that panel removable does make working in the engine bay a lot more pleasant than having all of that bonded solid.
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    This is how I did the split hatch on my GTM.
    It looks like you cut yours the same distance back from the glass.
    I reused the donor Corvette electric hatch release for convenience.

    I like your wing design.
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    Thanks Dave. I see 2 Aerocatch latches at the rear (I have those at the front of my hood/bonnet), how did you attach the front of that piece? Your wing looks mean.
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    How did you create the raised area under the hatch to attach the striker (and make it strong enough to not fail)?

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    I glued in a piece of aluminum then glassed over it and modified one of the original hatch catches.
    The rear piece has a weather strip step glassed in that bulb seal clips on.
    The aero latches just secure the rear of the panel, then everything is locked in once the main hatch clips in.
    I hope that the photos help.
    The wing mounts and brackets I made myself to be a little different.
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    One more question (for now). What is the best technique for creating this flange, offsetting it to make a gap for weatherstripping as well. Is that all fiberglass? I need to do that for my hood area as well.

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    I would probably bend a steel rod or two to taste and use stretched fleece to span the gap. Paint the fleece with resin and you have an instant 3D mold. The rod acts as a shaping tool to put the fleece where you want it. As always with composite fabrication, there are probably many other people with completely different and interesting ways to accomplish the same task. You may find how-to YouTube videos on subwoofer enclosure glassing inspirational in this regard. The concept is the same - establish your endpoints and let the fleece fill in the blanks.

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    Yeah...there are several different ways you could do that. If it were me, I would probably find some rigid foam insulation board that was about the thickness you would need to create the lip you want.....lay the hatch section on top of the foam and trace the leading edge of the hatch onto the foam and cut the foam board to perfectly fit the edge of the hatch. Cut the foam board into a narrower strip so you can bend it to contour to the front edge of the hatch. The foam will dissolve if it contacts the resin, so you would have to cover the foam in something.....latex paint, foil tape, masking tape, etc. From there you could either position the foam right on the hatch and create the part + bond it to the hatch at the same time by fiberglassing it right to the bottom side of the hatch......or create a flange from some flashing or flexible wood, fg the part and then once the part cures, break all of the foam out and then bond the finished flange onto the hatch with some panelbonding adhesive.
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    Cool, thanks guys. I'll see what I can throw together.

    Finishing up power distribution. Front fuse panel plus 6 relays (3 for dual fan system, 2 for hi/lo beams, 1 for horn). Also have a cabin fuse panel and an engine fuse panel, each compact and lightweight, and close to the supplied components.



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    Got the seat bottoms back from the upholsterer, I like the pass-throughs. Just got up to Grand Rapids, off to Grattan in the morning with the roadster. Hoping the weather cooperates. Everyone I talk to that has been to Grattan either loves it or hates it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeman View Post
    One more question (for now). What is the best technique for creating this flange, offsetting it to make a gap for weatherstripping as well. Is that all fiberglass? I need to do that for my hood area as well.

    All that I did was replicate the curve with a piece of plywood that was either 3/8" or 1/2" thick to suit the bulb seal that I was wanting to use.
    That piece was then screwed to a larger piece to complete the mold.
    Spray adhesive was used to secure the aluminum foil over the wood that would come into contact with fiberglass.
    I just used some wax as a mold release with about 5-6 layers of cloth to ensure that there was enough thickness to sand back flat.
    Be careful as the mat does not like following 90deg profiles and I had a couple of air pockets in mine that needed to be repaired.
    Hope that helps.
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    Looks like things are moving a long, nice to see and study how others are doing their custom work, opens up to many different ideas that just might come in handy when I start building my body.....oh yea haven't started it yet !! But I will soon I hope !!

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    Beeman, looking good. Always enjoy following your progress.
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    Thanks guys!
    Pretty cool the gorgeous Keating Ford GT won the amateur class at LeMans.



    Spent a little time on the upper tunnel cover. Next step is the Android tablet and switch panel.





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    Off with the old...

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    Up to something new..... Can't wait to see what you come up with

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfr58 View Post
    Up to something new..... Can't wait to see what you come up with
    James-
    The green bodywork was from a DelSol donor with 350k miles, it has always been intended to be temporary and just tacked in, bearing the brunt of welding, grinding, etc. There were a couple surface rust spots and the windshield had a crack. I found a pristine low mileage white donor and will be grafting on components from that. A local automobile glass shop removed the windshield for me so I can have the new frame fully welded in. Luckily they did not crack it, they are fairly hard to find (Ha - I should say extremely easy to find compared to the GTM windshield).
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    not sure you covered it already... but did/do you have another plan for the coolant and AC lines? the battery seems to be sharing the same location... you gonna run them down the sides like the 818? just wondering only...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    not sure you covered it already... but did/do you have another plan for the coolant and AC lines? the battery seems to be sharing the same location... you gonna run them down the sides like the 818? just wondering only...
    Coolant lines already have been formed, run outside the cabin on the sides of the car, run in insulated tunnels behind the seats to and from the water pump, there are some pics of the setup on previous pages.
    I'm going to get the car registered and running before I finish up the A/C, as I will initially be doing primarily track time and can pop out the targa if needed on hot days for the street. I already have all of the components for A/C, the cabin components fit behind the passenger seat- I have about 8" between the seat back and the firewall. I have an aftermarket condenser that will fit (angled) under the passenger rear bodywork ducted to the passenger rear lower air intake behind the door.
    I'm rapidly filling my tunnel with stuff, I'm glad I annexed that space.
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