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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydster View Post
    Yep, very solid, bolt on and quite adjustable, too. I got in on a group buy about 2 years ago, dont know if they will have any pre-made, but please check...

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    Thank you! Looks like it is still available. Will order one tomorrow. This is a must have. I may not race much, but will drive it with my boys a lot.

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    Hi Boyd. On those CNC reservoirs, check them with a magnifying glass. I had one that had a flaw in the casting, and it took a while, but started seeping right through the bottom surface. Also, there's not much "meat" to screw those pipe fittings in to, so don't go too crazy on tightening them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broku518 View Post
    Thank you! Looks like it is still available. Will order one tomorrow. This is a must have. I may not race much, but will drive it with my boys a lot.

    Martin
    I agree on the "must have", especially on anything with some torque. If a u-joint goes, those fast-spinning parts are just a bit too close to some seriously not-so-replaceable parts.
    You're very welcome. Enjoy the build.
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by boat737 View Post
    Hi Boyd. On those CNC reservoirs, check them with a magnifying glass. I had one that had a flaw in the casting, and it took a while, but started seeping right through the bottom surface. Also, there's not much "meat" to screw those pipe fittings in to, so don't go too crazy on tightening them up.

    Pet the dog.
    Gotcha Boat. Thanks for the tips. I'm just going straight in with this set of pipe adapters, so with a bit of sealant, I wont need to crank on em.

    Dogs Rock.
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Finally got around to working on the reservoirs and a few other small items. Overall, the Boss is doing great.

    Made a bracket from .040 and an extruded aluminum angle to add support,


    and installed the new fittings from Earls. Thats a 1/8 npt to -04AN adapter with a -04AN 90* elbow to a 1/4" hose barb. Sealed the npt with good ol ARP thread sealant.


    That way I can adjust the angle to the hoses without being concerned about the tightness and leaks. Bit expensive at $20 per reservoir, but it works.
    Also inspected the reservoirs very closely with a magnifying glass and a bright light per Boat's suggestion in a previous post. Haven't found any flaws, so got the brakes and clutch all re-bled and onward we go...

    Some other small things I've done... replaced the water temp sensor feeding the FITech unit. Word has it that almost all of the FITech water temp sending units are reading about 20* off. Makes it difficult to set fan temps and does weird things with the computer loops. I replaced mine with an AC Delco unit that appears exactly the same, but has stampings in it. The FITech piece has no identification at all. Ran the engine up to temp, appears to now only be about 5* off the Speedhut gauge. I suspect that will even out as the engine stabilizes in temp. My 2 sensors are at different spots... FITech is in the intake manifold, Speedhut is in the constantly circulating heater hose.

    I adjusted the ratio on my Fortes mechanical throttle. I found that I was using about 1/2 of available throttle pedal travel to go full throttle at the FITech. This led to a very sensitive throttle. Not that I dont like it, but when I really start streeting this thing, I'd rather have a bit more cushion. Adjusted it by moving the attachment on the pedal bellcrank out to the limit of the slot. Worked very nicely.

    Raised the steering shaft a bit. It was sitting in the very bottom of the slot in the dash, and even with the Replicaparts trim ring, didnt look right. So I put some washers under the bearing thats right behind the dash and got it centered. Didnt make much difference in wheel height, so its good.

    Installed a new, quite small air filter, all K&N pieces. One of those flow-through X-Stream tops, a 1.5" tall round 8" filter and a base that has the nipple for the PCV air. Its little and looks a bit goofy, but the engine still has PLENTY of power and I do have some concerns with how high the engine sits and how its going to fit with the hood. So this little filter gives me the best chance to make it without going to a new, lower intake.



    Overall, I'm having very few problems as I've been wheeling around the neighborhood. She starts great, drives straight , sounds fantastic and fits me well. Also has enough power to make me respect her very, very much, but still easy to drive without getting on it.

    I think I have a small leak from my Canton power steering tank, and it seems to be coming from the bottom edge of the tank itself. I also am using a -10AN supply hose, and it has to make a pretty tight radius turn to the pump. While it's not crimped, it is too tight for that size hose and its just not right in my book. So I'm looking at maybe raising the pump, a different tank configuration / mounting and even reviewing my supply hose choice. Big item in the way is the steering shaft...

    Been taking to Whitby's about the body... plans are coming together.
    ---Boyd---
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    Plan: 427W-X, TKO600, Moser 3.55 rear.
    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Got a new power steering can coming from Summit / KRC with an inlet that will work even better than what I've got now. Gary Luisi let me look at his power steering hose arrangement and he sent me the info on the supply hose... it's a -10 stainless teflon interior hose from Pegasus that bends down to a 2" radius. Almost everything else I had seen was a 4-6" radius.

    So parts are on order, will update when it comes in and I get busy!
    ---Boyd---
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    Plan: 427W-X, TKO600, Moser 3.55 rear.
    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Boydster, your build is looking great! You are putting a lot more detail in than I am. Your reservoir mount is beautiful. I labeled my reservoirs with an engraver after looking at them for awhile. I decided that down the road I might forget which one goes to what. Maybe I’m just forgetful but it seemed like a good idea to me. I just used a simple C for clutch, F and R for front and rear brake.
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    overall build plan: build it to drive, not polish and black it out wherever possible, paint will be some shade of dark cherry

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhunter View Post
    Boydster, your build is looking great! You are putting a lot more detail in than I am. Your reservoir mount is beautiful. I labeled my reservoirs with an engraver after looking at them for awhile. I decided that down the road I might forget which one goes to what. Maybe I’m just forgetful but it seemed like a good idea to me. I just used a simple C for clutch, F and R for front and rear brake.
    Thanks man. The build has been a lot of fun.

    I just used a labelmaker with some black letters on clear tape. Engraving sounds cool, all it takes is a small letter hidden in a corner. Prob looks better than label tape. I love how this place shares stuff and nobody gets wadded up over it. I hope I've helped someone along the way, somewhere....
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Got the power steering all fixed up, will put up some pics later. Of course, had to take her out for a test run. Called a local friend and she said "Sure! Bring it on over!". So we took a cruise around the neighborhood and she snapped off this pic for me. It was a good day...

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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    While I was out test driving the power steering system, the Boss died on me twice with the clutch in and coming down to idle. Did some research, and while the FiTech system is very friendly, it can be made better and more cooperative with a little tweaking. One of the first things to do is get the IAC (Intake Air Controller) set for your engine. Since this unit could be bolted onto anything from 200 to 600 hp, the IAC stepper motor has a large range, but you really want it down at the bottom end so its just controlling idle, not actually keeping the engine running.

    When I first checked mine on a warm, idling engine, it was running at 85, which is less than half. I shutdown, adjusted, powered up, rechecked the TPS and restarted several times before I got the IAC down to 7. It seems to be happier idling like this. I imagine so, because the throttles plates are bit more open, relying less on the IAC to keep the engine running and using it more to just maintain an accurate idle. Side note: To get down to 7 required opening the throttle plates a total of 1.25 turns on the drivers side screw.

    I'll get it back out and test drive it later today. There's more tweeks that can be made, but I'll see how this does. It supposedly will affect how the engine runs through the whole rev range, and especially right off idle. If need be, I can adjust how quickly the engine comes down off throttle so the system can pickup at the idle level and not drop off below it.

    Some other small things I've been busy with... installed my heater ducts and eyeball vents. Used Mike Everson's under dash panel, so its real easy to just drill a hole and screw the vents in. Ran the hoses and have 1 left for my single defrost.

    Made some small straps to fit my RCI harnesses. They didn't come with anything, and it does make it easier to loosen the belts a bit. I used 1" wide webbing and snaps... dont own a sewing machine... and I can change or delete them later if I want to. Side note: this is the color I'm using for pinstripes. Nice to add a bit of color to an otherwise nice looking but quite drab interior.





    And 2 more pictures because, well, just because.

    One of the 757's at work...


    and another of my girl after we got caught walking in a storm...
    ---Boyd---
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Boyd I went to the Lost in the 50's Cruise in the other night at Marley Station, I met TPM3 (Tom) and saw his beautiful blue with white strips Roadster. Also saw a black with white stripes Shell Valley with a big block...huge motor, can't remember his name I was so paranoid of the possible rain. Hope to see you out and about soon. Are you just about finished up and on the road?

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    Hey Dave. Still waiting on Whitby's. They said 6-9 months... Sept 25 was 8. Not that I'm counting or anything. The car is go-carting well, really believe I'm pretty much wrapped up on everything till I can get the body installed.

    Marley is a good show. I've spent hours just walking around. We'll get a meet n greet together someday. I did Cars and Coffee a few weeks ago on the Triumph, met the guy with the blue / white Mark 3.

    I'm doing a show by the River Whips Auto Club this sunday. Raising money for the Annapolis SPCA where I volunteer, so thought I'd bring out the Boss Go Cart. Its at Anne Arundel Community College, Arnold. I'll be working the SPCA booth with the car.

    Hows yours doing? Any surprises?
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    No surprises thank goodness. I've been having so much fun driving I haven't done anything I intended like the Breeze front grill, Boig exhaust and other little things. Hopefully your paint will be completed at 9 months. I haven't decided yet to do the AACC or the Bowie show, Bowie is a farther drive for me so maybe there. I might do the Annapolis cars and coffee that morning. Hopefully it wont rain.

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    No surprises... must be a good build! This weekend is supposed to be a beautiful weekend to get your car out. I'll PM you my number and we can text about who is doing what.
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Obviously, not much is happening with my build. The car has gone into hold status waiting for Whitby's to get the body done. Yesterday, Oct 25, was 9 months. <sigh>.......
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Whitby's said 6-9 months. Dec 25 was 11 months, and they are basically not talking to me about any timeline.

    In the meantime, Ive decided to revisit a few things. One I never liked was my switch-on, switch-off turn signals. If I ever left them on, which I would and then I'd be THAT GUY running down the road with his full bright LED tail light blinker blazing away....

    I decided on a Signal Dynamics self-cancelling turn signal module. It has sever modes for length of time and works for hazard flashers, too.

    Had to change my positive click type switches over to momentary, or spring loaded, switches for the turn signals and the hazards. That was easy with an order to Ron Francis, where I sourced all my switches. Then got the SD unit wired into the output wires from the TS switch. Now the Ron Francis harness has the hazard wiring mating to the T/S wiring in the harness somewhere, but I needed the hazard wiring to be between the T/S switch and the SD unit. So I cut those wires back and tied them into the T/S switch screw lugs. I should also mention I'm using diodes to prevent backfeeding 4-ways.

    One other item is that the SD unit controls the flash rate (and is safe for all led usage up to 10 amps). So I removed my 2 led flashers from the fuse box and installed jumper wires for now. I will remove the wires from the fuse box and tie them together (removing the jumpers) when I drop the fusebox for windshield install.

    I'm glad to say it works! Just a 2 second contact with the momentary switch engages the SD Unit for a short 7 second round of flashing, then it shuts off. Thats Mode 1. There's 2 more modes for longer desired periods of flashing. And a 2 second hold on the hazard switch engages the desired 4-ways which will stay on until you hit the switch again.

    Cool little mod that works well for those of us that dont use the turn signal on the steering column (I'm using a removable steering wheel, so couldnt use that).

    Still hoping to hear from Whitby's soon... I've heard of one that took 16 months, and yes, the quality was fantastic, but thats a long time to wait...
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydster View Post
    Whitby's said 6-9 months. Dec 25 was 11 months, and they are basically not talking to me about any timeline.



    Still hoping to hear from Whitby's soon... I've heard of one that took 16 months, and yes, the quality was fantastic, but that's a long time to wait...

    I'm sorry, but this to me would be totally unacceptable... Fantastic quality or not, I'm never going to give my car to someone for that long to do a job that should not take more than 6-10 weeks. I actually contacted Whitby's to see about pricing and timing and they were very non responsive and the responses I did get where one line answers.... Like I was pulling teeth to get an answer. My last email to them, not yet responded to, was to ask how I could get on their waiting list. I'm guessing that they just do not want the business or know that they can not deliver on what they currently have. It's a good thing I'm planning to have my car at Jeff K's in the fall, but I wanted to see what other options I may have several hundred miles closer.

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    I expected the body to be there for a while... they do not have my car, just the body and associated pieces. They made space for me 1 month after I contacted them. They said they do the bodywork all the way through slick sand right away, then leave the body outside (under cover) until its turn comes up for paint. They had 27 cars ahead of me when I dropped off the body.

    Others may get it in and out quicker, but I understand it can take up to a year to get in with some of the experienced F5 body guys. Difference is, my body is sitting there waiting instead of sitting here waiting.
    They did say 6-9 months to complete, and yes, they are pretty bad at communicating. But I'm also not in a big hurry to get my car done. I would like to hear from them, tho, and that is the point of my comment.
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Hopefully you'll be ready for spring. Another not so great experience is coming up, the MVA inspection, taxes, and then state inspection. Hopefully you have better and a smoother time than I did. Will you be going to Auto Italia in Rockville for the State inspection after you visit the Glen Burnie MVA? If I had to do it over I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidW View Post
    Hopefully you'll be ready for spring. Another not so great experience is coming up, the MVA inspection, taxes, and then state inspection. Hopefully you have better and a smoother time than I did. Will you be going to Auto Italia in Rockville for the State inspection after you visit the Glen Burnie MVA? If I had to do it over I would.
    Thats pretty much where I'm thinking of going. I dont know any other place I'd trust. Could discuss it with the CACC guys, tho. I havent reached out to them because I dont know when I will be approaching that date.

    Did you have any issues with the State Police Inspection? Did they want anything in particular?
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    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydster View Post
    Thats pretty much where I'm thinking of going. I dont know any other place I'd trust. Could discuss it with the CACC guys, tho. I havent reached out to them because I dont know when I will be approaching that date.

    Did you have any issues with the State Police Inspection? Did they want anything in particular?
    PM sent!

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    Got the word Friday that my body is in the shop getting the rough bodywork done. 4 cars in the shop now. 1 being final wet sanded, 1 being painted, 1 in final bodywork, then mine. Shouldn't be too long now...
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    Plan: 427W-X, TKO600, Moser 3.55 rear.
    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydster View Post
    Got the word Friday that my body is in the shop getting the rough bodywork done. 4 cars in the shop now. 1 being final wet sanded, 1 being painted, 1 in final bodywork, then mine. Shouldn't be too long now...
    Nice that you got some kind of timeline for completion!
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    Yeah, looks like I just may be ready for summer, def by fall.
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    Plan: 427W-X, TKO600, Moser 3.55 rear.
    Delivered Feb 2017, first start Oct 22, 2017, first go-cart Mar 26, 2018

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