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    East Coast Speed Machines Erik W. Treves's Avatar
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    Yeah.... those are the old ones.. the new ones are different than those... the big rear splash guard is ok to coat and use... but the small one that goes to the pontoon is obsolete and you are missing the rear forward pieces (x2) and the fronts look incorrect as well.

    Anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlirium View Post
    What is the plan for treating these? Powdercoat, or some sort of other undercoating?
    Powder coat everything as I've done on previous builds and undercoat or bedliner on splash guards where they face the tires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    Yeah.... those are the old ones.. the new ones are different than those... the big rear splash guard is ok to coat and use... but the small one that goes to the pontoon is obsolete and you are missing the rear forward pieces (x2) and the fronts look incorrect as well.

    Anyway...
    Hmm. I have other parts. I just dug those out of the box thinking those were the splash guards. Just going by the descriptions on the parts list. I'll look further. Sure would have expected my kit from only a few months ago to have the latest parts...
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    Yeah.. best I can tell from the pictures... but I received mine 26 Jan and I think they were the first ones out. If you show me the full pic of the from splash guard I can be sure... but I for sure don't see the top most rear front aluminum that closes off the wheel area from the roll bar/Body area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    Yeah.... those are the old ones.. the new ones are different than those... the big rear splash guard is ok to coat and use... but the small one that goes to the pontoon is obsolete and you are missing the rear forward pieces (x2) and the fronts look incorrect as well.
    Any chance you could share some pictures of the new pieces you are referring to? I received my kit 11/8 so I'm guessing I don't have the latest and greatest. I already know the radiator duct panel has been changed since I got mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuftster View Post
    Any chance you could share some pictures of the new pieces you are referring to? I received my kit 11/8 so I'm guessing I don't have the latest and greatest. I already know the radiator duct panel has been changed since I got mine.
    Ditto...

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    I can when I get home... Yes the radiator aluminum changed... if yours is even with frame on the back piece of aluminum then it's the wrong one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    I can when I get home... Yes the radiator aluminum changed... if yours is even with frame on the back piece of aluminum then it's the wrong one
    I assume you mean bent along the top edge like this. Plus the cutouts are slightly different than before. This is what I received, which makes me think (hope) I also have the right splash guards. I compared mine with Mike Everson's (his is #48, mine is #59) and they're different.

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    East Coast Speed Machines Erik W. Treves's Avatar
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    Yep.. That's the update out front... funny I hadn't seen that after I passed back the results from my beta build.... you should have no problem there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    Yeah.... those are the old ones.. the new ones are different than those... the big rear splash guard is ok to coat and use... but the small one that goes to the pontoon is obsolete and you are missing the rear forward pieces (x2) and the fronts look incorrect as well.

    Anyway...
    I went through my box of aluminum parts, my kit packing list, and the instruction manual. Nothing found or documented for any sheet metal parts for the front part of the rear wheel wells. Agreed there are big gaps and openings there. Roadsters have a similar issue and I guess I've been used to making my own fill pieces. You're saying Factory Five has designed fill pieces? Any pictures?

    Sorry for the build thread hijack. Hopefully it's of some use to this build and others following it. Just snapped these two pics of the inside front of the rear wheel wells. Pretty big openings top and bottom.

    Top with gaps into the cockpit.


    Bottom area.
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    yep. you're missing some aluminum... Jim and company can fix you right up...

    here is the piece that closes up that top part



    Notice these do not have a double bend in them... like the Gen 1 and 2 (which is what you probably have)



    here is a close up of that panel



    Look close and you can see the original panel that I got and you have UNDER the new panel... I just laid them on top each other since I had to modify them for the turbos... this was before the weather stripping installed...



    Also the "long" panel that the rear splash guard attaches to is now shorter and do not extend all the way to the footbox... I left my original one in there and just bent the new panel some to make it look good...

    I think you can see it...

    here are the prototypes before I got them: notice the panel "behind" the pontoon... I didn't do it this way since the aluminum is stronger than the fiberglass... and the road wheel will be throwing rocks hard....so I placed the aluminum on the outside..



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    Erik -- Thanks for the pics and explanation. Certainly helpful for me and I hope others. I contacted Factory Five today. There is an update kit being sent to all Gen 3 Coupe buyers. First 30 have been sent. Next batch (which would include me) are a week or two away. We didn't get into real specific details. But when I explained about the different sheet metal, was told about the update kit. Don't know what else will be in there. Will be like Christmas.
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    Ok.. cool... yeah.. I just got "the call".. the truck is on the way!
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    FFR 8335, Black Mamba, 289 FIA CSX 2001 tribute car, 347, 48 IDA webers, VCP Tuned, 311 RWHP 386 RWTQ, 3-link, Trigo's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlirium View Post
    Looking great, we all appreciate the volume of pictures! I have the same 18" wheels coming and will go with the same tires. Are you pretty happy with the look and fit of the rear wheels with the 1" spacer?

    brent
    The wheels clear with travel for me with one inch spacers. I like the way it looks and don't want to go any larger. If mine looked like this with a solid axle it might very well hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dlirium View Post
    Really interested in what you find here, please keep us posted as I am going to tackling this project next month...

    Also, how did you make the dash removable? Love to see more on that!

    Thanks for all the info!

    brent
    I put 3 rivet-nuts on the underside of my re-enforcement frame. Here is a better pic of two of the three.

    Attachment 82750

    The third is behind the gauge cluster which I made permanent so the wires there at least can stay stationary.
    Attachment 82751Attachment 82752

    Thanks Erik and Edward. I got added to the list for the updated aluminum as well as getting updated glass hatch brackets. The back opens but not very high currently. I'm not sure what I can do on the front aluminum though since my hood doesn't have a lip to attach too. I also have the old radiator aluminum. I found that the door close off panels don't want to go in after the body is installed. They won't slide under the lip that sits under the hood when closed. At this point they probably aren't going to go on but how where they suppose to go? Fit doors with body, lift body and install panels?

    We put some washers between the driver door frame and the door hinge to suck the door to the body which worked great. I'm pretty stoked about the body lines. On the topics of the body. Where the exhaust is we tapped some 3/8ths holes and put some flanged socket head cap screws with washers between the body and frame. The body on was warped away from the frame so did this to help there. it also made the door seal really stiff even without the striker bolts installed

    So we still have a few lingering items. The main one of note the the fuel sender unit is leaking. We have tried twice now. I ordered some orings and if that doesn't work I'll request one from Factory Five. The fuel sending unit is cutting in and out as well. We think it is the pigtal. I am very glad that I have those access panel cutouts in the carpet. Next is to get the inspection and registered. ( temp tags on it for now so I can drive ) So after that and a few day of rest for my body, since we have been going 3-4 hours a night almost every night since we started, it is time to get the parts that are going back to Factory Five prepped. Then it will be frame cutting time!

    So here are some pics

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    Oh and got the wipers installed. I think one of the female spade connectors isn't making connect so the park function isn't working. I'm not worried about it. They work and will get me past inspection.
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    Car looks great. It looks right at home with that collection of Vipers. To me you can see how the lines of the Daytona Coupe might have inspired the original design of the Viper GTS.

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    On the door hinge aluminum... I ended up cutting them in half and then sliding them in place...I riveted a small over lap piece behind one of the pieces and then riveted the other piece to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik W. Treves View Post
    On the door hinge aluminum... I ended up cutting them in half and then sliding them in place...I riveted a small over lap piece behind one of the pieces and then riveted the other piece to that.
    Thanks! I'll try that. Next I hope to have it inspected tomorrow and looking for better hearing protection then just ear plugs lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkviper View Post
    Car looks great. It looks right at home with that collection of Vipers. To me you can see how the lines of the Daytona Coupe might have inspired the original design of the Viper GTS.
    Thanks and never noticed that. There where a lot of high end cars there. ALOT! I'd say 80 and Vipers where the inexpensive car of the bunch lol
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    Here is a walk around video.

    https://youtu.be/unHbu3bztjE
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    Looking good Nolan!

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    A few updates of notes. I had a fuel leak due to having the wrong seal from the prototype. Factory five sent me the correct one and no more leak. The fuel gauge would also cut in and out of reading. It turns out it was a grounding issue with the sender unit. The correct o-ring helped but didn't eliminate the issue. So I took a yellow female spade connector, Widened it, and put it on one of the three locking tabs. On the other end I put a ring terminal and ground it to the chassis. Works great now. There maybe something up with the ac. It doesn't seem cold and I can feel the load on the motor. Think I'll take the car to someone to check the a.c and see if i missed something or ifthere is a leak
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    [QUOTE=Erik W. Treves;317446]yep. you're missing some aluminum... Jim and company can fix you right up...

    here is the piece that closes up that top part



    Do you have a pic of how this is installed? I can't for the life of me figure it out.
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    I don't honestly... I got these after I made some since I was in a rush... go them after the car was back from SEMA I believe.
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    FFR 818S, The Flash, Chassis #5, 2.0L, LSD, Electromotive TEC-S, VCP Tuned, 278RWHP 265 RWTQ

    FFR 6651, Green Lantern, 408W Crate, Hellion 66mm Turbo, JGS Waste gate / Blowoff valve, Tec-GT management, VCP Tuned, 575 RWHP, 690 RWTQ

    FFR 8335, Black Mamba, 289 FIA CSX 2001 tribute car, 347, 48 IDA webers, VCP Tuned, 311 RWHP 386 RWTQ, 3-link, Trigo's

    FFR 0004, Gen 3 , Hawk Coupe, Coyote twin turbo, 683 RWHP 559 RWTQ, IRS, VCP Tuned. "not too shabby"

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    Visited Nolan today, what an absolutely amazing car. That motor still has my neck sore from how much pull it has. Can not wait for me to put my order in to start my build. Thanks Nolan fantastic job!

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