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    Current Massachusetts Registration Requirements for New Mk4 Build

    Hello All,

    I have been reading every thread I can find as I am planning a MK4 build and was getting ready to order a new kit. About 10 years ago I helped a friend with a donor build and the registration process went fairly smooth. Now that I am preparing to build my own, I have heard it is either a nightmare of no longer possible to build in Massachusetts. Here are the notes I have on the only ways to currently build in mass. If anyone has any information or has been through the process lately, can you please let me know if I am right with these assumptions or if there are other things that need to be considered.

    - donor builds are still ok but you are required to have all of the same emission equipment.
    - crate motors (Coyote, 427, any of FF's Blueprint motors) can only be used if you have a pre 1973 donor vehicle (any make/model?) that you have scrapped

    I was planning a crate motor build with either a 427 or Coyote depending on various factors.

    It is now sounding like the only way to build in Massachusetts is with a donor vehicle. Is this correct?

    Thank you for any help you can provide.

    Jay

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    Here is what I found on another forum. Sounds like for a Coyote, there are two routes but both are donor routes (full emission or exempt) and for other crate motors, you need a 1974 or older registered and titled car to salvage. Does this mirror everyone's experiences lately?

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    Basically, you have to buy a 1974 (not a '71) or older, pre-emissions, vehicle with an engine that falls into one of the below three categories relative to your engine size:

    3 or 4 cylinder: Up to 3.0 liters
    5 or 6 cylinder: 3.0- 5.0 liters (up to 302 cu in)
    Small V8: 4.0-5.4 liters (up to 327)
    Medium V8: 5.5-6.7 liters (up to 409)
    Large V8: 6.8 liters or more (over 409)

    This vehicle you buy has to have an engine that meets the minimum displacement requirements relative to the engine you're trying to exempt. It can be an engine that is in one of the larger categories...but must at least meet the minimum displacement requirements per the above, again relative to your engine displacement. So if you have a 302, you can use a vehicle that has an engine in the small, medium or large categories...but has to at least meet the "small" displacement category requirement.

    This vehicle has to have been on the road (titled/registered) within the past 5 years in MA (can obviously be currently registered).

    You don't have to register the scrap vehicle, that's not necessary...you just have to title it in your name so that there is a clear record of ownership when you scrap it.

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    I just went through this and used a crusher car. Really wasn't that difficult to find one. Check craigslist everyday and jump on one right away if you find one in your price range. I don't think you can do a donor Coyote because they want you to use the complete drivetrain as removed from the Mustang. Could be a grey area here. The trans wont fit, but the rear IRS will. Also as far as I know FFR does not make cats for the Coyote. That could be a problem.
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael everson View Post
    I just went through this and used a crusher car. Really wasn't that difficult to find one. Check craigslist everyday and jump on one right away if you find one in your price range. I don't think you can do a donor Coyote because they want you to use the complete drivetrain as removed from the Mustang. Could be a grey area here. The trans wont fit, but the rear IRS will. Also as far as I know FFR does not make cats for the Coyote. That could be a problem.
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    Mike,

    Did you just use the full drivetrain from a mustang you crushed or did you use a crate motor, etc? I agree the Mustangs are easy to find but I really wanted to avoid a build using a 20-30 year old engine and would like to use a fresh motor which seems to be the problem in mass. I thought a Coyote could be used as FFR was promoting that heavily when I visited them but maybe not.

    Jay

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    I think you misunderstand the crusher rule. If you crush a 73 or older v8 car that was registered in MA for 1 year in the last 5 years, you get an emissions exemption no matter what drivetrain you use.
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael everson View Post
    I think you misunderstand the crusher rule. If you crush a 73 or older v8 car that was registered in MA for 1 year in the last 5 years, you get an emissions exemption no matter what drivetrain you use.
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    You are absolutely correct Mike, I completely misunderstood the crusher rule. I talked to someone local that has done several cars over the last few years and he cleared everything up for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulstice View Post
    You are absolutely correct Mike, I completely misunderstood the crusher rule. I talked to someone local that has done several cars over the last few years and he cleared everything up for me.
    Jay - good talking to you today. Mike is very knowledgeable as well as I mentioned. You should be good to go, but let us know if you have any additional questions.


    Good luck!
    FFinisher/AKA RE63

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    There might be one other option, which I am going to try when I finish my 33. If you can register your build as a "custom vehicle" or a "street rod", those are exempt from emissions testing. Don't know if those terms will be accepted or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duff33 View Post
    There might be one other option, which I am going to try when I finish my 33. If you can register your build as a "custom vehicle" or a "street rod", those are exempt from emissions testing. Don't know if those terms will be accepted or not.
    The way I understand the Massachusetts definitions (below) neither of these will work for the MK4 Roadster as it is a replica of 65' Shelby Cobra

    Specially-Constructed Vehicle. A motor vehicle reconstructed or assembled by a non-manufacturer from new or used parts, the exterior of which does not replicate or resemble any other manufactured vehicle.

    Street Rod. A motor vehicle for which the year of manufacture is prior to 1949, and which has been altered from the manufacturer's original design or has a body constructed from non-original materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFinisher View Post
    Jay - good talking to you today. Mike is very knowledgeable as well as I mentioned. You should be good to go, but let us know if you have any additional questions.


    Good luck!
    Ron - Thank You for all of your help with this. I definitely feel a lot more confident about my build after talking with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael everson View Post
    I think you misunderstand the crusher rule. If you crush a 73 or older v8 car that was registered in MA for 1 year in the last 5 years, you get an emissions exemption no matter what drivetrain you use.
    Mike
    Can someone help clarify for me something. I have found a vehicle that the person is willing to give me with the VIN. They car is very rusted. In reality do I really need the whole car or can I just have the cowl the VIN is off and go through the process that way? I'm asking b3ecauwse if I don;t have to take possession of the whole hunk of junk and then crush it I could literally register the VIN and then crush the cowl that the vin is attached to

    Thoughts?

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    No you can’t. The idea behind the crusher rule is that a 73’ or older vehicle is going to be “dirty” and the kit car will be cleaner emissions wise. My crusher was a Mercedes 280 SE 4.5and the scrap yard that picked up gave $200 for the scrap value. The scrap yard must give you an affidavit certifying it was scrapped and not broken up for parts. In reference to another post on this thread, FFR cars must be titled as replicas. Mine, registered in June, is titled as a type:replica, make:cobra, model:1965.both the registry and the mass state police insisted this was how kit cars must be titled. The whole process was actually not that difficult.
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    I spoke to the MA State Salve yard and the state trooper told me he has done this a bunch of times and that I DO NOT need to go through all this. The whole reason they want you to do this is if you are going for emissions exemption and he said a modern COyote engine will pass with or without cats, so just build the car, get them to look it over with receipts and a work order, and they will give you the paper work to get the title. I was shocked, but not the first time I heard this working that way. I have had a lot of people telling me the other story, but I really think that is for carburated engines at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckster View Post
    No you can’t. The idea behind the crusher rule is that a 73’ or older vehicle is going to be “dirty” and the kit car will be cleaner emissions wise. My crusher was a Mercedes 280 SE 4.5and the scrap yard that picked
    up gave $200 for the scrap value. The scrap yard must give you an affidavit certifying it was scrapped and not broken up for parts. In reference to another post on this thread, FFR cars must be titled as replicas. Mine, registered in June, is titled as a type:replica, make:cobra, model:1965.both the registry and the mass state police insisted this was how kit cars must be titled. The whole process was actually not that difficult.

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    The short answer is the trooper is wrong. MA passed a law saying no Crate engines. This includes a new Coyote. Its stupid but it is what it is. From a registration standpoint he is correct. Not for a sticker though.
    Mike

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    The best person to speak with on this topic is Paul Davis at Mass DEP. They run the emissions program. Paul and crew were very helpful with getting mine through the emissions process.
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