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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    You'll find that there are a few places where the tabs need to be spread a bit to allow a good fit. You can make a simple spreader tool with a piece of threaded rod and a couple of large washers and nuts.
    I’ve had to so this on just about every fitment from steering to control arms to suspension. Takes a minute or less and fits super tight once snugged back together. No biggie.
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    I certainly hope I donít come off that way. My unmentionables are completely untwisted. ;-) And Iím looking forward to every part of this John, even the grinding down of slag and everything in between.
    Oh no... not a bit.
    Just remember this is a hand-built car, and it's gonna take a little bit of horse-sense and maybe a thump or two to get things to fit/line up.
    (Frankly I'm a bit surprised at some of the recent threads... Maybe you guys got "Monday or Friday" frames - I only had to tweak a couple of my frame horns to get the suspension arms to slide in)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixit View Post
    ... any discrepancies side-to-side can (and will) be taken care of in the final alignment.

    (One of the things I've noticed about some of the threads here is that the builders are expecting Swiss-watch/robotic/CAD/.001 tolerances on some of these parts. Ain't gonna happen. It's a bunch of steel that's clamped in a jig, and hand welded. Things move, heat distorts, but DAMN - the guys at FFR do a fabulous job.)

    If you've ever worked on a late-60s musclecar... restoring one, repairing one... you'll realize just how good you've got it working on an FFR frame. Those P.O.S's from the 60's were slammed together with a +/- 1/8" (or bigger) tolerance. A STACK of shims and a BFH were the norm, not the exception!

    Yes... question something that is clearly way out of whack - but if it's "just that close" do whatever's reasonable to get it to fit.
    Precisely. Thank you John!

    Mitchell, I didn't sense any twisted knickers, just a valid question

    Carry on!

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    I got the slag ground off, then repainted the tab. After that dried I was able to set the lower control arm in place easily. Got it tightened and torqued down as well.

    grind.JPG

    I haven't attached my F panels yet. Still trying to decide on the color or the powder coat or even just the sanded aluminum. I have to make that decision and then attach those before attaching the rest of the front suspension.
    Sorry the posts are so scattered. Business and the rest of life gets in the way as you all know. But I am taking my time, enjoying the skills I'm gaining and the process.
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    picture embed

    Just learning how to use the forum better so my pictures are larger. Ignore this post.
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    In case I haven't said today how great Kevin is let me just say he is GREAT! And thanks to David Hodgkins for his post HERE about improving your forum picture skillz. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by doddmoore View Post
    In case I haven't said today how great Kevin is let me just say he is GREAT! And thanks to David Hodgkins for his post HERE about improving your forum picture skillz. :-)
    Aw, shucks! I was just going to compliment you on the great photos!

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    Front Suspension

    Soooooo many guys on this forum will say they don't know what they are doing, but they don't mean it. They have done a little here and there and know more than they realize. I do mean it. I grew up wanting to work on cars but without a dad who liked cars we just didn't do it. I eventually started to learn on my own but have never worked on cars to any extent enough to know what certain things are SUPPOSED to look like. I have changed my oil and my brake pads, but that is it. I have seen a car without a wheel on it when I was working on brake pads exactly once. So I am admittedly ignorant, but I am not an idiot. I am building a car from parts, and I eventually want to drive the car and not die. To that end I have a couple of mechanic friends that I text before, during and after my work so they can critique it and give me pointers or fix things before they go wrong.
    But I want to know guys like me out there that THEY CAN DO THIS with enough help from all of you, and I WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT BUILDING CARS AND SUCH! This has always been my goal. I want to learn. I am passionate about the learning part. I don't have a teacher but I consider each of you my mentors.
    Without knowing what the suspension was supposed to look like I want to show you what I did the other day when my mechanic friend didn't message me back in time about the suspension. (Typically I read through a couple of threads before moving on to another step, but I forgot my computer that day)


    Go ahead and laugh, I don't mind. I don't get easily offended. Also don't get too worried. What I tend to do is put things in place and take pictures, text, recheck, and then get it right. And that is exactly what I did here.


    I have had people ask why not buy a beater and learn on it. Well, once I've learned I'm left with...a beater and some knowledge. Instead I decided to use the VAST amount of knowledge on this forum and others as my textbook. And when I am done I will have my dream car AND the knowledge. People take for granted how easy it is to look stuff up on youtube and such, but when I was a kid none of that existed. So it's time to learn. Don't worry, I am ignorant of cars for now, but I'm not an idiot. I'm not going to be putting anything together without direct influence from others and my friends "signing off" on it before I finish each part. But if a guy who knows THIS LITTLE about how a suspension should look can get it right, anyone can.
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    You have the right attitude and a willing heart. Keep at it and every step will get you a little closer to the finished product. And if you want to learn a bit about fiberglass and body work try adding a flip top. It's like everything else, each step is simple but there are many of them.
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    I'm really looking forward to watching your build thread. I can relate...similar background but you have taken the step to purchase. I'm aspiring, but will get there some day...hopefully soon. Keep it up and know that you and the rest of the forum contributors are really doing a great service to us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bking View Post
    You have the right attitude and a willing heart. Keep at it and every step will get you a little closer to the finished product. And if you want to learn a bit about fiberglass and body work try adding a flip top. It's like everything else, each step is simple but there are many of them.
    Kevin and I are definitely talking. Your engineering of it blows my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevencj67 View Post
    I'm really looking forward to watching your build thread. I can relate...similar background but you have taken the step to purchase. I'm aspiring, but will get there some day...hopefully soon. Keep it up and know that you and the rest of the forum contributors are really doing a great service to us all.

    hey thanks, I really needed that. Sucks to be a noob sometimes but I don't have any type of ego so that helps. Now when it comes to baking I might have too much ego! ;-)
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    One of the many things I appreciate about FFR and this forum is that you are allowed to be a noob and ask what some might say are stupid questions. Members here are very supportive, willing to help. I can now speak from experience that not all forums are the safe place that this one is!! Yes, you can do this, not because you have the knowledge but because you have the right attitude and the desire! Keep your sense of humor. I assure you that this will not be the last "funny install moment" that you will have! But it is all fun! Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doddmoore View Post
    Kevin and I are definitely talking. Your engineering of it blows my mind.
    What continues to amaze me about 2BKing's engineering is how complex yet simple it really is. His re-purposing of the stock hinges is simply genius. You can do this . . . I did!
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    Mitchell,

    Did you get the front shocks mounted correctly? Looks like you are missing a spacer there...


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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hodgkins View Post
    Mitchell,

    Did you get the front shocks mounted correctly? Looks like you are missing a spacer there...

    I did indeed. The finished product is above in the bottom picture.
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    So I am admittedly ignorant, but I am not an idiot.
    This is the most key statement I've heard from a "noob" to automobile repair... and especially automotive BUILDING!

    There is a very distinct difference between ignorant and idiot.
    One means you just don't know, but are capable & willing of learning.
    The other means you are incapable of learning.

    You forgot another "I" word... "intelligence". In its context around here, that means you are smart enough to stop, ask a question, and apply the results.

    I have to constantly remind myself not to take for granted my 45+ years of experience of wrenching, having a Dad that was a "wrench", and coming from a line of men who were incredibly "Mechanically Apt". (My Mom was 6mos. pregnant with me in the pits at Indy!) Others may have not been so fortunate.
    I read some of these posts and the little guy on this shoulder whispers "Oh my Gosh - this guy is building a car??"... then the guy on the other shoulder whispers "Hey, he doesn't know about this stuff, explain it to him!".

    (I make my living with my hands - and it's not by typing. I'm a tradesman. We as a society will be in a SERIOUS world of hurt in about a decade... why? - Nobody's coming up the ranks to fill the shoes of Journeymen in the trades. All the cool zoomie "tech" stuff is great - but you have to have a building to play with them in... and someone has to BUILD the building! I'll gladly "Pay It Forward" to a noob... they're not going to take my job - they're going to perpetuate it!) (OK, sorry to hijack, rant over)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixit View Post
    This is the most key statement I've heard from a "noob" to automobile repair... and especially automotive BUILDING!

    There is a very distinct difference between ignorant and idiot.
    One means you just don't know, but are capable & willing of learning.
    The other means you are incapable of learning.

    You forgot another "I" word... "intelligence". In its context around here, that means you are smart enough to stop, ask a question, and apply the results.

    I have to constantly remind myself not to take for granted my 45+ years of experience of wrenching, having a Dad that was a "wrench", and coming from a line of men who were incredibly "Mechanically Apt". (My Mom was 6mos. pregnant with me in the pits at Indy!) Others may have not been so fortunate.
    I read some of these posts and the little guy on this shoulder whispers "Oh my Gosh - this guy is building a car??"... then the guy on the other shoulder whispers "Hey, he doesn't know about this stuff, explain it to him!".

    (I make my living with my hands - and it's not by typing. I'm a tradesman. We as a society will be in a SERIOUS world of hurt in about a decade... why? - Nobody's coming up the ranks to fill the shoes of Journeymen in the trades. All the cool zoomie "tech" stuff is great - but you have to have a building to play with them in... and someone has to BUILD the building! I'll gladly "Pay It Forward" to a noob... they're not going to take my job - they're going to perpetuate it!) (OK, sorry to hijack, rant over)
    This is exactly the reason I decided to build this kit rather than get something else...this forum and the people on it. Thank you John. If I were to get a project car I could do nothing more than watch youtube or ask some friends, but that would be it. And in the end I would know more, but I would not be on the level of a car builder and I would have to do so much learning all over again. But I knew I could stand on the shoulders of the giants here and make it happen. Slow and steady wins the race.
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    Shocks (Front suspension cont.)

    Even though the manual DOES NOT say it, I needed two different sized bolts for my shock install. The TOP bolt is longer than the BOTTOM bolt. The top ended up being 3.25" and the bottom 2.75". Initially I did not realize this. As luck would have it I put the correct bolt in the top right off on the driver's side, but then the bottom bolt was too long, only I didn't know it. I put those in and went to the passenger side when this happened



    It was an easy fix, and I realized what had happened, but still. Also one of my nylon nuts was cross threaded and I had to go to the hardware store to replace it. But I got the chocks installed nicely and torqued down.



    Now onto the Spindles.
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    Spindles (front suspension cont.)

    So I installed the spindles today and it went fairly well. I do have to say I did not grasp the connection between the inventory and the manual until today though. I was reading through the manual and it just says to bolt the steering arms on, but doesn't say WHICH bolt to use. The manual has a picture of the process but the bolt looks different.



    These two bolts come in the box with the spindles, box 14 for me. The bolt on the right is called a 12 point bolt for obvious reasons. (I know it's goofy but I love learning the difference between a 12 point bolt and another bolt. It reminds me of being a kid and my dad asking for a tool that I didn't know what was what and he would teach me. I love this process) So the 12 point bolt says on the inventory that it is for the brakes specifically. It says something like "Spindle to disc" or something. So I know that one isn't right. The other is just a 50mm bolt that I have four of, but it IS listed under the front suspension and PACKED with the spindles, so these are the ones to use. My concern was that the hub would scrape against it because the head looks SO large. I put it in and from one angle it looks dicey.



    But I looked at it from the top and it looks like I have PLENTY of room. I wanted to ask on here before I torque it up though to make sure.



    I did have a generic question as well. Am I supposed to use thread locker on any bolts that are torqued, and if so WHICH thread locker? I read on here that I was but wanted to explicitly ask.
    Here is my not finished spindle but what I have so far.



    Notice the white paint on the upper ball joint? Who knows where I read it FIRST so I can't give credit, but I have done this on every part that is torqued for TWO reasons. One is so I can tell if it moves but two is so I know it has been torqued correctly.
    Once I get the go ahead from either you all or my friends I will torque it all down and put the hubs on next.

    One word about my process. I am going slightly out of order. I have not drilled any of my aluminum panels yet except for the two F panels. The reason is because I wanted to get to the point of being able to see real "I can see I am building a car" progress. Drilling out all the aluminum would not give me the look I desired, so I am putting it off. I remember looking through build threads and seeing the front and rear brakes on and thinking it was amazing that someone had built that, so I have that goal. Once I am done with the front though I think I will feel good enough to stop and move onto my aluminum. I looked through build threads and read the manual and don't think I am causing any problems for myself now or later by putting off the drilling and fitting. These two parts aren't connected. If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me.

    Last but not least my gas tank came in today so that was exciting. Now the ONLY thing I am lacking (that I am aware of) is my steering wheel.

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