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Thread: Carl's 20th Anniversary #8690 - Graduated... 15,000 miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    I was just looking at the most recent RF manual on FFR Instructions page. I think that the lights will actually dim with the headlight switch. At least according to page 55, 56 of the instructions. That would be kinda cool, but I'm not really that concerned as to how I dim them. They actually recommend to turn the small knob to full clockwise and zip tie it up with all the rest of the wires in the dash and just use the headlight switch.
    Well, that's nice but it's wrong. The backlighting on those gauges is AC powered panels. Speedhut has technical details on their website. It only dims with the inverter and the variable knob included with the gauges. The only thing turning the headlight knob does is vary DC voltage, which turns the Speedhut backlighting from full on to full off when it falls below a certain threshold. You don't have to take my word for it. You'll find out for yourself when you wire it up and see how it works. Pretty sure this error in the manual has been discussed before BTW.

    Speaking of the manual, I'd encourage again to be careful with that version of the manual. The harness you have with your kit is the earlier version, and I'd recommend using the harness manual that came with your kit. I received the new version of the harness and manual with my Gen 3 Coupe kit, and I've had the chance to compare the two side-by-side. There are differences.
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    That makes sense... Thanks again Paul... you are the best!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    I guess it is all up to the builder. But it just seemed that all the dashes that were similar to mine had the spedo on the right and I guess I just got used to that idea. I just went to the FFR page and looked at the gallery of their Mk4s and all of them have the spedo on the right side of the tach. I think that if it is a "street" version, the Spedo is more important and if you were looking to race, the Tach would be best to be the most prominent.

    So question, using three diodes, do you think I could hook up "idiot light" wires to one light from all three circuits? Charging, Oil Pressure and Water Temp? I guess I would have to have separate sending units for the lights though.... Hmmmm
    Clicked around just for grins looking at original Cobra pictures. For this dash layout, confirmed there are examples of both. Speedo on the right, speedo on the left. Same answer. Do it the way you want. As for adding idiot lights, the Speedhut gauges and sending units don't support them. There are aftermarket kits you can add, but require additional sending units, power, etc. Charging is relatively straightforward. Below a threshold voltage and light the light. But both oil pressure and water temp (especially oil pressure) can be all over the place, depending on engine temp, RPM, ambient temp, how hard you're pushing things, etc. IMO, there's no substitute for watching the gauges under various conditions and learning exactly how they operate "normally." You'll quickly become attuned to what that should be and should notice if something seems different. As far as lighting a single light from multiple sources, probably technically possible. But then you look at the gauges to see which one is causing the fault? Why not just watch the gauges? Personally, I kind of enjoy scanning the gauges while driving. Part of the whole experience seeing what's happening as well as making sure all is OK.
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    This entire weekend was pretty much devoted to the dash and the wiring for the dash. This morning started out with a little cool look into the future. I have the gauges installed in the dash and hooked up the lighting wiring and brought the gauges to life, at least the lights.... and 20th Anniversary #008 looks alive... It was pretty cool, even had the GPS connected... I actually got a good bit done, but it is too late to really post it all here, but I will say it is looking good. I'll post much more tomorrow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    This entire weekend was pretty much devoted to the dash and the wiring for the dash. This morning started out with a little cool look into the future. I have the gauges installed in the dash and hooked up the lighting wiring and brought the gauges to life, at least the lights.... and 20th Anniversary #008 looks alive... It was pretty cool, even had the GPS connected... I actually got a good bit done, but it is too late to really post it all here, but I will say it is looking good. I'll post much more tomorrow...

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    Nice job on that dashboard. It looks awesome!

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    Dash Board Assembly and Wiring

    As indicated in the previous few posts I've been working on the dash board. To start off, I have the vinyl padded dash that came pre cut for the gauges. The only holes that I had to cut were for the turn & high beam indicator lights, the Turn & Hazard toggle switches and a hole for the Heater/Defroster control knob. I decided that I was not going to use the hidden fastener option and also had to drill the holes for the fasteners across the top of the dash into the dash hoop. Much like drilling into a completed paint job, it was a bit nerve racking to drill into this dash as there really isn't any easy fix for a mess up that can be covered so there was a lot of measuring and then just before I drilled, I measured a few more times. I guess the biggest thing about the dash is a lot of planning needs to go into this as there is a lot going on. Things like where the wiring harness is laying inside the firewall and where the connectors are at. Remember, that harness is not the most flexible and the less you have to bend it/them around the better and cleaner the area will look. (if there is such a thing as clean looking in there.) Also, the heater/defroster control cable is pretty stiff so I have not actually installed it just yet as I want to know exactly where my heater hoses and engine connections are going to be so I'm holding off on drilling into my firewall until my engine is here and I can either measure it or actually have it in place. But, all the wiring is ready.

    Blank Dash and Gauges as delivered:
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    So to start my dash, I actually took a bunch of pictures of each indicator light that I mounted into a piece of black plastic. (in my case it was some of my glove box modification left over plastic) I would use these photos in "Paint" to create a photo of what I would want my dash to look like in final set up. I do not have photo shop, that would have been much easier, but I made due and it actually came out pretty good.

    This is the photo that I created by first taking a photo of the new dash with only the gauges installed in my desired location. And then using Paint, I inserted photos of all the other items. (note: I used text box to add the names, I will not be actually putting names on the finished dash)
    Dash Board Mock Up-v1.jpg
    My final version looks very similar, I only made a couple changes to this. I decided to mount my wiper switch under the dash (do not hope to use it very often) and I also decided against the idiot red light in the middle of the gauges. Here is the final actual dash photo. Only thing missing is the heater control knob, but the hole is drilled. (more on that below)
    Actual Dash Board Final Look.jpg

    So let's talk about a couple items in this install that has cause me some grief, perhaps this will help you avoid the same grief.

    First thing, at some point you will put your dash up on the dash hoop to "test fit" it. When you do this, be sure to mark the bottom of the hoop on the back of your dash so that you know where you can or better stated, can not put things. You will be surprised at just how far from the top of the dash back that you can not mount things. Now, I did NOT do that and paid the price in a couple small ways and got real lucky on a couple others.

    The first problem actually was not my doing. With the dash in position, as described in the build manual, my tachometer (furthest large gauge to the left) actually has zero clearance to the bottom of the dash hoop with my fasteners are installed. I had to lower my nutsert to the very bottom of the hoop. Fortunately I had only drilled a single 1/8" hole before I discovered this issue so all was good in the end. But even with that 1/8" move, I have to have the gauge mounting color turned just right so that the little grip bumps do not hit the hoop. Whew, glad this worked out as I had all ready drilled my mounting hold through the dash front.

    The second problem that I created for myself was that I mounted (epoxied) the small inverter for the gauge lights to the back of the dash board to help create a controlled/clean install. Well, when I did this, I put it on in an area that was "well below" the top of the dash. Actually, it was about 1/32nd of an inch too high and I have actually had to pry it off of the dash in order to mount it. But as it turned out, that is a good thing... (more on the in a minute)
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    Ok, those where the two ahhh S#@$ moments...

    One of the minor modifications I've had to make was for the hole that the heater/defroster knob is going to go through. This is a combo, turn switch with four positions, off-low-med-high fan speeds. And it is a push in and out for heat adjustment. This is a very stiff solid cable that will open and close the water valve to be attached later to the heater hose from the engine. So, on the vinyl dash it isn't the most conducive to this switch/cable combo. So I had to beef it up a little on the back. First thing to know is that the turning of the knob is actually pretty stiff between indents so they have a anti twist design with one edge of the attachment point flat. Ever drill a hole with a flat edge?
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    To prepare for the mounting of this, I drilled the hole in the dash a little smaller than what my final size would be. Then I fabricated a backing plate out of aluminum that I epoxied onto the back of the dash. I then used my drimel tool to open the vinyl dash up to match. My hope is the combination of the dash and the aluminum will hold it all in place. Now, for whatever reason, the threaded area on the switch is only about 3/8" deep so it made it difficult to get a bite with the nut on the front side, but I got it to bite and was able to compress the dash padding and tighten it down. I think this will work ok and I'll have to mound a dash to fire wall support just under the switch location to prevent the dash from moving in and out as the heat is adjusted. In the photo, I had all ready used a razor blade to remove the excess epoxy that had "squeezed" out the holes I drilled for that purpose. The switch has a large flat body that those bumps interfered with. And another, I got lucky moment. I had not put the head light switch in before I measured and drilled the hole hole for the heater switch. I was very luck, it had room as the headlight switch is rather large. My saving grace was that I had just measure the distance between the factory holes for the horn, ignition and headlight switch and kept that distance the same between the headlight switch and my heater switch hole.
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    So onto the wiring. Back in 2015 when this kit was originally ordered, the version of the Ron Francis Harness was not designed for the new style gauges and did not have the correct plugins. So I had to install connectors on each of my gauge sending unit wires a connector that would allow me to connect to the RF harness. Not a difficult task, just a bit time consuming as I did solder each of those connections as well as put heat shrink tubing on every one. Once my engine is here, I will get to do a similar task for each of the sending units. Here is what that wiring completed and zip tied/cleaned up looks like.
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    Ok... so I eluded to a problem earlier in this post with the location of the gauge lighting inverter box that I had to remove to clear the dash hoop. After I had completed the task of actually hanging my dash in place, installing all the braces, fasteners and admiring my work from a distance, I put battery power to the RF wiring harness. (simulating connection to the starter and ground.) Great... no sparks... or smoke... I turned the key on and every thing looked good. The GPS Spedo acquired satellite, the volt gauge went up to correct voltage and the rest of the gauges made there little start up bump movement. All looks great. Then I pulled out the headlight switch to turn on the gauge lights. They came on, and looked great... Here is where I ran into a problem. When I tried to adjust the brightness of the gauges with the gauge control knob, they did not dim. They did nothing... but they sure looked good.
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    When I fiddled with the wiring going to the back of the Potentiometer I found there was a bad factory connection internally. I found that if I held my left foot in one direction and put my finger in my right ear, the knob would then properly dim and control the lights. Bottom line, Speedhut is sending me a complete new harness assembly for my gauges. The bad news, I get to take the back of my dash / wiring apart and re-due it with the new harness... the good news, I get a second chance to epoxy the inverter to the back of my dash in a location that is about 1/8" lower then I had it in the first place....

    Final installed photo:
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    I'm so glad that this part of the build is 85% completed and out of the way. I actually enjoyed it, but I guess part of my problem was that I was a bit tired both days that I was working on it so I had a bit of a hard time wrapping my head around some aspects. Once I got to work on it with a fresh / clear, non fatigued brain, it wasn't that bad. I hope something in this post can help someone in the future...

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    I'd advise against making the inverter installation too permanent by means of epoxy, etc. As you've already found out they are prone to failure and this may not be the only one you'll have to replace (this is the voice of 3 bad ones speaking).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    This is the photo that I created by first taking a photo of the new dash with only the gauges installed in my desired location. And then using Paint, I inserted photos of all the other items. (note: I used text box to add the names, I will not be actually putting names on the finished dash)
    Dash Board Mock Up-v1.jpg
    My final version looks very similar, I only made a couple changes to this. I decided to mount my wiper switch under the dash (do not hope to use it very often) and I also decided against the idiot red light in the middle of the gauges. Here is the final actual dash photo. Only thing missing is the heater control knob, but the hole is drilled. (more on that below)
    Actual Dash Board Final Look.jpg
    In the spirit of learning from others, I have my turn switch mounted on the left side as well and I'm going to move it over to the center at some point.
    The gymnastics involved with steering with the left hand and shifting with the right hand becomes unsafe when you have to switch steering hands to flip the signal switch. Keeping the left hand dedicated to the steering wheel is my advice.

    Also, the left hand side of that dash gets very small and angled/tucked up under the body/door. You might consider dropping the body on to see how it fits over there.

    Looking good!

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    It's time for Lizard Skin Prep....

    Went out to the garage tonight and started looking to see what the next step is going to be... Came back inside and ordered Lizard Skin. Read two full post from EdwardB on the stuff and ordered 2 gal of both the sound and the heat shields and the spray gun... It was about $75 less via Amazon vs Lizard Skin's site and free shipping... So I guess the next week will be spent buttoning up all the sheet metal panels, taking out all my dash and wire harness' and scuffing up aluminum panels to get it ready... I could possibly shoot the Lizard Skin in about 10 day... ie next weekend. I can't believe that only 6 weeks into the build and I'm all ready getting ready to spray this stuff... My BluePrint Engine is expected to ship on 10/1 as well.

    I need to post updates on the Trunk Drop box, The Trunk battery Box install, foot mounted dimmer switch (Thanks Papa) and some other minor changes that I've made. I'll get those updates soon.

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    E-Brake Cable and Handle Install

    Spent this afternoon working on the E-Brake system. I wanted to see how FF wanted it to be installed and ran the cable under the 4" frame tube. When it is run that way, not only does it look like a complete after thought, but it would cause the cables to rub drastically against a the very sharp edge of a large frame gusset that is there. I would guess it would not take more than 10-15 pulls on the E-brake handle to wear right through the outer plastic on the cable. I really do not understand why FF would expect any builder of one of these awesome cars to do that. I will be doing the rerouting mod that I know several have done. I'm following EdwardB's lead (CLICK HERE) and have ordered the Lokar Clevis from Summit and will install the pulley. Everything else on the E-brake is installed, just need to get that clevis and fit it all up.

    As far as preparing the E-Brake handle, I did a few things to "improve" on it...

    The first one is a slight modification that I have not seen anyplace else. I have seen comments that the ratchet teeth are soft and prone to wear down. Or at least I've seen several people caution about that. So I thought I would try and harden those teeth. I'm not a metallurgist, but I have hardened 16 penny nails to use as center punches and I've watched Forged in Steel on TV and I think I even stayed at a holiday in express once or twice.... either way, I heated the teeth area to red hot and held it there for about 10 minutes and then quenched it in Automatic Trans Fluid. I learned that that will quench at a slower rate than water... I don't know, but I did it and I'm certain the teeth are now harder than before. Then I cleaned all the bare metal parts with lacquer thinner and put 3 coats of dark metal rustoleum on them and put it all together.

    As EdwardB showed in his thread, I replaced the plastic bushing with the bronze ones from my Hood Hinges. I did a bit of research in the build manual and it states that the hood hinges use 8 of those bushings, and as luck would have it, my hood hinge hardware had 10 in the bag. SCORE!!! A couple minutes on the grinder and the bronze bushings were just as thin as the plastic ones. Cleaned them up a bit with sandpaper and wire wheel and put a dab of white grease on the pivot bolt as I put the handle together.

    The rest of the handle assembly went exactly as the build manual stated.
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    Just caught up on your build, great detail.

    I would second not setting that inverter on the back of the dash in epoxy. I used a similar sized component for the automatic cancel turn signal and just used double sided tape and secured it to the frame under the dash, just in case in needed to be replaced I could remove it easily.

    You may reconsider your speedo and tach position, it is much easier to see the tach on the right side if you really need to see it while going through the gears...high RPM. The speedo on the left doesn't let my wife see it.....

    That's the best e-brake mod I've seen but I did it a little different and so far it works good.

    Keep up the great details!

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    Charcoal Fuel Vent Canister

    Ok, so ever sence I started reading the Roadster build threads I've seen different mods for the Charcoal Fuel Vent Canisters. Most of them involve PVC tubing. I've been waiting to put my twist on this. But to do that I have to explain that about 3 years ago, my 2006 Ford Focus started having troubles with fueling it and I could only get a small amount (and only when done very slow) of fuel to go into the tank. It would take me 30 minutes to fill it up from 1/2 tank. My Focus had been totaled and it sat for about 8 months before I started to re-build it. What had happened is that the Charcoal Canister on it had clogged up with a mold type of growth. So I took it apart and dumped out all the charcoal and then chipped out the moldy part... then put the old, non contaminated charcoal back in, buttoned it all up and it's been great ever since. So I tell you this so you understand my thought on this little mod. First off, I will say that the charcoal in the focus was large pellets, not small grains as you find in most pet store fish filter set ups. Also the large pellet charcoal has very little dust. I did find the large pellet charcoal at a local pet store and grabbed it... You will see it in the photos.

    So here goes my mod. I wanted to have a large volume/area for the air/fumes to pass through. I did not want a narrow 1" diameter tubing. So what I came up with is based on 3" PVC pipe fittings and a floor drain cap...
    Here is a photo of 95% of the parts used to build my canister. (Note: I was planning to use the large hose clamp to mount it, that plan changed)
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    The next thing I did was to drill out the cap, just in the middle of the square pipe wrench head to mount in the right angle barb fitting. This required a 5/8" hole so I took about 3 or 4 steps up to that size. Hint, mount the pvc cap in a vice as when the drill bit bites, it bites... One thing I also did is that I drilled out the brass fitting from both directions to make it as large as possible to allow for the best air flow possible.
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    After getting the fitting threaded in to the pvc cap, I used it like a tap/die and it created some nice threads in the PVC. I then removed the brass fitting to be installed again later after paint...

    Next I marked and cut out the scotch-brite pad to fit both the inside of the floor drain and the square in the screw in pvc cap. FYI, I put two layers of scotch-brite in both locations. Most likely over kill, but wanted to keep the charcoal inside.

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    After all the pieces were pre-fit, I took it all apart and only put the pvc parts together, scuff sanded all of it and took the whole unit out to my "paint booth" ie my utility box trailer and put several coats of dark gray metallic paint on the unit. After the paint dried, brought it all back in and assembled with the charcoal in place. Also put two small brass screws through the pvc into the floor drain so that they would stay together, but still be able to dissemble in the event I need to clean it up someday. I did not use any pvc cement on this mod. Also, here is a good look at the large pellet charcoal.
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    Next, I made a mounting bracket out of an extra dash board bracket that I had laying around, it could have been made from scratch. I used two self tapping screws to mount the bracket to the PVC and in my case, I mounted the unit to the side of my FFMetal battery box. I also had looked at mounting it to the square tube that the fuel tank straps attach to. I mounted it so that the top of the unit (floor drain side) would be about 1" below the upper trunk floor. I wanted it it up away from any debris that could be flying around in there from the tires. Then I simply attached the rubber hose from the top of the tank vent to the canister and that is my take on this modification... All so that I do not smell gas fumes when I'm filling up the tank... The things we do...
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    Note: I did not put a hose clamp on the rubber hose to the canister on purpose. This is a very tight barb fit and very low pressure. I did not want to create any more work for myself in the future than necessary.

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    It needs a sticker on it... "Mr. Fusion" thumbsup.gif
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    Cubby Hole - Carl's Version...

    I've had my idea of what I want my cubby hole to be like and I came pretty close. I wasn't wanting one that went the full width of the car as I really did not like the idea of things getting lost in there and having to reach my whole arm in to find it... But I wanted a good amount of space for those things that you need space for. I think that the majority of women's purses can fit I think as well... not that I carry a purse or currently have a woman in my life, I want to be prepared...

    So this is by far the largest sheet metal fabrication project that I have every taken on. And in fact with the exception of the dimmer switch bracket, it is my only sheet metal fabrication project that I can remember ever doing.

    I started with making the decision as to the shape and location of the opening into the cockpit. I decided that I want to have a basic opening. I have still not decided on a door style or if I will even put one on. I'm thinking of just a black trim material to start with. I began the box with a cardboard template for the sides and then ended with a one piece top and back. I used the normal rivet hole separation just as all the other 83,008 rivets that the roadster has in the sheet metal uses. I will most likely permanently rivet all of the trunk and the cockpit in place tomorrow as I'm hoping to spray Lizard Skin next weekend.

    I'll just post the photos as I think they are pretty self explanatory.. In photo #5 I have the side panels with the rivets set up to be on the outside of the cubby, in the trunk... I changed my mind midstream and swapped them so that the rivets will be on the inside of the cubby.

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    I think that the majority of women's purses can fit I think as well...
    That'd be the whole trunk good sir...
    Looks good! Nice job on the bending without a brake.
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    Nice work! Way, way back when I built my car I made one very similar but not quite as deep. I put a charging port inside and a door with a simple lock. Pretty handy to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidW View Post
    Just caught up on your build, great detail.

    I would second not setting that inverter on the back of the dash in epoxy. I used a similar sized component for the automatic cancel turn signal and just used double sided tape and secured it to the frame under the dash, just in case in needed to be replaced I could remove it easily.

    You may reconsider your speedo and tach position, it is much easier to see the tach on the right side if you really need to see it while going through the gears...high RPM. The speedo on the left doesn't let my wife see it.....

    That's the best e-brake mod I've seen but I did it a little different and so far it works good.

    Keep up the great details!
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    347ci 427 ft/lbs... BluePrint Engine Numbers

    My engine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow... 10/2/18...

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    Until then, check out the torque on this thing...
    I can't even imagine the pull this thing is going to have in the 2300 Lb roadster...
    I'm grinning ear to ear...
    LOL, I was so hoping for 427 HP or 427 Torque... just so I can call it a 427... but I guess 424 ft/lb peak torque is close enough to call it 427.. Perhaps the BluePrint dyno needs a bit of calibration... He He....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    My engine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow... 10/2/18...

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    Until then, check out the torque on this thing...
    I can't even imagine the pull this thing is going to have in the 2300 Lb roadster...
    I'm grinning ear to ear...
    LOL, I was so hoping for 427 HP or 427 Torque... just so I can call it a 427... but I guess 424 ft/lb peak torque is close enough to call it 427.. Perhaps the BluePrint dyno needs a bit of calibration... He He....
    Be careful with that thing and don't forget, the go-cart is even lighter!

    RU excited, or what?


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    Maybe on the next one you can go with the 427.lol but for now, this thing is going to be awesome! !!! thanks again for the shoutout! and anything we can do going forward let us know!

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    A VERY exciting day for me

    So most people get that exciting delivery of the Factory 5 Semi pulling up in their front drive to unload their roadster, giving them their first peek at the fun they are going to have. Well, I went a different route and bought my roadster 2nd hand and so I had to drive and pick it up, load it in my trailer and drive back with it... Not quite as exciting as waiting on the FF Semi. But today, I got mine... My 347ci beast from BluePrint engines showed up via the FedEx Freight Semi. Same concept, just a bit smaller in size... 831 lbs of box... I live in a quite, rural area where most people have dirt drives up to the house. I'm not the exception so the challenge was to get the beast to my garage, about 75 yards across the dirt/grass of my yard. The driver told me he could not do it and wanted to leave it next to the road in the dirt. I asked him to please at least try to use his pallet dolly to get it over to my garage area. He said he would go until it sank and if it was in the middle of the drive, it was on me. I said lets go. He turned it around and started pulling and myself and one other started pushing... We pushed it all the way to the garage area where it sank into the dirt...

    So, now how do I get it into the garage... Simple I lift the entire crate up with the engine crane and set it in the bed of my pickup, then back my pick up up to the door of the garage and lift it off of the truck with the same crane... Except no, the crane has to be under the crate or it will tip forward and the ceiling will not allow me to lift it high enough. Bottom line, worked it out and did just as I said, but in baby steps... It is now in the garage, crate top off and on two sets of furniture dollies. I can move it around anywhere I need. And I just needed to take the photo of the engine with the chassis behind it and the body up and behind that...


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    and the money shot!!!
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    Also want to give a shout out to Dave ( DadOfThree) for allowing me to borrow his engine hoist for my build.... Had the chance to drive down to his cobra cave and pick it up this past weekend and spent a little time looking over his Mk3.

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    Applying the Lizard Skin

    So I find myself with about an hour or so with nothing that I can do on the build... I just sprayed the first coat of Lizard Skin Sound Control (SC) and per the instructions I need to allow it to dry for a bit over an hour or so until I can put on the second coat. Here are some photos of my prep. While I do not think it was required, I scuffed up all of the surfaces that I was putting the Lizard Skin on to. The Powder Coated foot box and fire wall as well as all of the aluminum panels. I'm hoping to give the LS the best possible surface to adhere to. I then created a "paint booth" of sorts and following the LS instructions, sprayed my first coat. I used about 3 quarts of LS. Set my air pressure at 60 PSI and turned the nozzle out 2 turns exactly as the instructions suggested... I thought that was the perfect setting to splatter the coating on. Splatter is "Spray" in Lizard Skin speak!

    I also followed the lead of EdwardB in his lizard skin application thread and put on a second layer of tape so that I could pull off one layer before it hardens up completely and still leave the second layer there for spraying the ceramic heat control layer in about 36 hours. You can see the second layer of tape as it is the Light Blue tape...

    Here are photos of all that I described above.

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    Looks Great!!
    Points to you for re-purposing the 27 trees worth of kraft paper packaging for masking material!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixit View Post
    Looks Great!!
    Points to you for re-purposing the 27 trees worth of kraft paper packaging for masking material!
    Yes, I only have 7,238 feet of paper left...

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    Lizard Skin Complete - What a Difference

    Ok the Lizard Skin job is complete. All the tape and paper removed and the "Paint Booth" is down. Now it's time to get back to it.

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    Lets have some meat for the BBQ

    Today I received my tires and of course they went straight to the shop to have them mounted. That's a lot of meat... and they don't give them a lot of room between the tire and the springs... When all was done, I put them next to the BluePrint 347 in hopes that they would learn to get along... :-)

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    56 Days Completed, time for the Power Train

    It's time... I have not posted a lot over the past few days, but the work has been continuing. After the Lizard Skin, I of course had to remove all the tape and paper. I received the new wire harness for my dash board from Speedhut and was able to get that installed. I've completed the riveting of the back trunk side pannels, Installed wiring for my 3rd brake lights that I installed in the top of both roll bars. Also pre-drilled the mounting holes for the roll bars so that I would not be drilling with the wires in place. Now its just a couple of quick connects and the wires will all be inside the bars, completely hidden. I picked up some really bright red LED clearance lights from a Flying J truck stop. (you can find a lot of cool things at the truck stops). I have also completed wiring for the Heater and the Wiper. Connected power and EVERYTHING Electrical is working as it should.

    I also have been waiting for my engine to arrive before I cut holes in my firewall for engine wiring. So that is all completed as well.

    I also applied Shark Hide on all the bare aluminum panels, not very many, but figured now is a good time and they will stay nice and shinny for awhile.

    SO on to today's project. I'm going to rearrange my garage setup a little so that I can get the car down off the dolly and in roller configuration. That just means I'm going to move the body around and rather than going side to side in my garage, the car will be more angled toward the door. This will give me the room for the engine hoist and the BluePrint engine and trans. If all goes well I'll have the car all set up, rear end up in the air and ready to fit the power-train in place later this afternoon. I'm not in a rush, but dam I want it in there... LOL



    Here are some photos I took around the car today 10/13/18 (56 days into my build) to show the progress up to this point.

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    I like the idea of third brake light connection inside of the roll bar tube, less chance of a snagged wire in trunk.

    You may have a problem with the wires I think are for the high beam switch. Looks like the wires are in one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancaster Lad View Post

    You may have a problem with the wires I think are for the high beam switch. Looks like the wires are in one
    of the holes for the windshield bolts.
    Cool, thanks for letting me know... that is a VERY simple fix... just three quick disconnects... Thanks again.

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    Officially a ROLLER!!!

    The garage is all rearranged and the car is off the dolly and on the ground... Whooooo HOOOOOO!!!!
    And I also filled the Trans with fluid so that it is done and I don't forget it...

    Kinda funny looking as the ride height has not been set, looks like it is ready to off road!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    Cool, thanks for letting me know... that is a VERY simple fix... just three quick disconnects... Thanks again.
    But that bolt between the two holes will interfere with the windshield arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner View Post
    But that bolt between the two holes will interfere with the windshield arm.

    Jeff
    Another easy fix... that is my ground wire bolt... I can move it easily... thanks Jeff... I guess you never know what one thing will interfere with another... Uhggg!

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    Well..... One thing led to another and there it was....

    Honestly, All I was planning to do today was to get the motor up out of the crate and do some prep work. Put on the motor mounts, fill the transmission, look at other things like water line connections, remote oil filter mounting, etc... and then next thing I knew I was done installing the drive train...


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    Congratulations. Looks good in its new home.
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    Looks great! Did you have the rear end up at all for install? Still trying to figure out if there will be enough room in the back to drill for the Forte mechanical linkage mounts after the engine is in....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    Looks great! Did you have the rear end up at all for install? Still trying to figure out if there will be enough room in the back to drill for the Forte mechanical linkage mounts after the engine is in....
    I just went out and took these two photos for you. I don't know exactly where the Forte Linkage goes, but I would say there should be room. I would guess you would need a right angle drill and perhaps a short drill bit. My hand is in the photo for size comparison. Also, both my firewall and the foot box side are in the FF position, no modifications to them.

    And yes, I had the rear end up, supported by two jack stands 14" tall under the very rear of the 4" frame tube. Also had the front tires ea on a 2x6 (1 1/2" lift) so that the engine hoist could fit under the front of the car. I did this 100% alone so it was just slow and steady and I'm proud to say, not a single nick or bump on any of the car... The balance bar from HF was a huge help. I was able to put it in like a baby's foot into a grown ups shoe... (where did that come from)

    Hope this helps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    I just went out and took these two photos for you. I don't know exactly where the Forte Linkage goes, but I would say there should be room. I would guess you would need a right angle drill and perhaps a short drill bit. My hand is in the photo for size comparison. Also, both my firewall and the foot box side are in the FF position, no modifications to them.

    And yes, I had the rear end up, supported by two jack stands 14" tall under the very rear of the 4" frame tube. Also had the front tires ea on a 2x6 (1 1/2" lift) so that the engine hoist could fit under the front of the car. I did this 100% alone so it was just slow and steady and I'm proud to say, not a single nick or bump on any of the car... The balance bar from HF was a huge help. I was able to put it in like a baby's foot into a grown ups shoe... (where did that come from)

    Hope this helps...
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    Thanks for the pics Carl! Looks like a valve cover might need to come off. It's a variable bracket, so may just try and get it in before the engine comes. Again, nice work on the install. That's a big milestone. Look forward to your Go Kart start! Guess that will be what...tomorrow or Tuesday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    Thanks for the pics Carl! Looks like a valve cover might need to come off. It's a variable bracket, so may just try and get it in before the engine comes. Again, nice work on the install. That's a big milestone. Look forward to your Go Kart start! Guess that will be what...tomorrow or Tuesday?
    Perhaps next weekend....

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