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    The MAF is under the hatch hinge not on the bend, it has the right amount of straight spacing and worked perfect. I don't see his set up having the right amount of spacing.

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    Jame, I thought that was infinity box, I just did not see all the wires connected so was not sure what it was driving.

    Do you have 3 out and one input?

    How do you do side mirrors?

    How much power does it draw when ignition is off? have heard is really bad.

    I sort of have my own system, I think is is better, I have have only one relay so far and that is for my power steering, and not real fuse box, expect the crate ECU stuff.

    A lots of stuff to get working though.

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    I have 2 power supply lines to each Power Cell (front & back) and have use all the front power cell, on the back one you can see the wires I have six outputs so I did not use all the connections on the back power cell (at least not yet) and as to power draw, well it does draw some power for sure.

    Not sure how long it will take to drain the battery enough so it won't start as I have been disconnection it while working on GTM. I have a battery cut off switch installed in the front that will turn the Infinity Box system off (the ECU for the create motor remain powered) so in this state it acts like any other car and the battery stay up for some time. I will have to check it out with the Infinity Box system on to see how long it takes to drain the battery enough so it won't start.

    Yes I am going to have power adjusting side mirrors when done. I have not done anything with the circuit for them yet, and intend to build my own system to power the mirrors.

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    Thanks Rodger, I will check it out and plan on adding a flow straightener.

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    I saw a picture you had that has lot of stuff and relays and Radar and so on, how to you get to these after you put the dash on? I am having enough dealing with radios and wires to them.

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    If Infinitybox hasn't made any significant changes in the past 10 years or so, the Infinitybox system will drain the battery down to below 12V in about 2-3 days....which realistically takes the battery down to about 50%. I'm the one who convinced them to come up with the inReserve system to cut power to the system to prevent this. With the inReserve installed, the car can literally sit for months without issue....with only power wired direct to the stereo memory and ECU "hot" wire.

    As for the power mirrors, if you are using a conventional power mirror switch to control them, there's really no need for any complicated electronics to control them as the power mirror switch already does everything you need.....all you need is power and ground to the switch.
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    Thanks for the information as I really did not know how long it would last if connected to the Infinity Box system. I should look into getting the inReserve and installing it as I am sure I will not remember to manually shut it down every time. As mentioned I have the system on a battery cut off switch now but would have to remember to turn on and off all the time. I have done the same thing with the head unit (stereo, GPS & Nav.) and the hot wire to ECU are all on constant power separate from the Infinity Box system. I ca in fact start the engine and drive it with the Infinity Box system off line. The Dakota Digital fan controller is on two separate relays as is the create engine with its own ECU. I installed a Digital Dawg RFID keyless system that operates as a stand alone system with the exception of the safety switch (clutch switch) that is the only interface with the Infinity Box system and if needed I can fool it to get the car started and running. With the Digital Dawg RFID system I have Acc. 1 power (no ignition power on) Acc. 2 (ignition power on) then start, worked out good for LED lights, radio and items I might want to have running for car show etc. with the Infinity Box system offline.

    I was planning on controlling the mirrors as you mentioned above they will not be tied into the Infinity Box system.

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    Mostafa,

    I relocated all the modules from the fist location under the dash in my early pictures to down on the kick boards. I can access them all (Dakota Digital dash controller, GPS, fan controller and the Escort 9500ci controller even with the dash on from inside the cockpit. The are hidden under the lighter color covers you can see on the kick boards on each side of the cockpit under the dash.

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    Headed down to the shop, got a long way to go to finish but wanted to ask the forum has anyone ever fabricated an X-pipe system (other than the Kooks exhaust) for the GTM using the J-pipes supplied by FFR? Looking at different ways to route the exhaust and still have them exit the same location as the H-pipe system.

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    If I was doing a custom exhaust, it would stay below the rear frame X-bars and exit lower in the bumper or even the diffuser. That would allow room for a shallow "trunk" above the X-bars.
    I'm actually thinking about having a shop do a shorty exhaust for me that exits through the hatch just after the headers for track days like the 918. It would be LOUD.
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    James,
    I used BBK shorty headers, FFR J pipes, fabbed the rest, Bought an X pipe on the forum, thru 8" bullets, then exits under the body and diffuser
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    I used the Kooks exhaust set up for my GTM. On my current build (SLC) I am using the LS7 stock headers from a C6 Z06. Here is a link as to what has been done by other builders.

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    The LS7 headers can be sourced from eBay fairly cheep. They are stainless and SS tubing bends are available.
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    I am a big fan of stock headers as they tend to not leak when installed properly. It is getting hard to find the LS3 center dump headers these days, but the LS7 ones are still on ebay. If you are doing anything but an LS7 the center dump LS3 headers are easier to work with since they have a round output as opposed to the LS7 oval. I have personally built over 600 HP using stock LS3 intake and exhaust manifolds. There is nothing wrong with either. If you don't mind moving coils around you can also flip the manifolds upside down and swap side to side and then the exhaust does not go down by the transaxle/axles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash View Post
    ...If you are doing anything but an LS7 the center dump LS3 headers are easier to work with since they have a round output as opposed to the LS7 oval...
    Good point Crash.
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    wow, 2 3 day is really bad for Infinitybox , I just hate having to enable and disable this all the time, should at least last few weeks or may be a month or so. these car for most part in weekend cars.

    I hope to get my stuff under 50ma, but seems hard right now, with all the dash, radio and controls and remotes, that should last 20 day to about %50 battery.

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    I am using BBK direct replacement headers for Corvette on my LS3 (585 HP when tested after build on stand), they are more or less center dump like the stock headers. Thanks for the information it is interesting to see your configuration as I can see how this might work better. I am still looking at how to route the exhaust and will make final decision since the body is on now and I can see what I have to work with. It is so tight using the J-pipes and H-pipe furnished by FFR since I have transmission from 996 G2 and the transition place done by Kennedy Engineered Products is much larger than the one furnished by FFR for the G-50 transmission. Will check out several ideas and pick one.

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    Thanks Rodger, knew there had to be some different options and still looking at what I want to do. Looks a lot different now the body is on and I can see what available options there are for routing the exhaust.

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    Rodger

    Awhile back you had a sway bar for sale do you still have it? Would like to add them to my GTM but cannot fit the one build by Ted on the front as I have to much in the way to get it through where it is located and am not going to move everything to fit it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfr58 View Post
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    Awhile back you had a sway bar for sale do you still have it? Would like to add them to my GTM but cannot fit the one build by Ted on the front as I have to much in the way to get it through where it is located and am not going to move everything to fit it in.
    James. No, nothing for sale. I only made the one unit for my car. I can post some pics if you would like to see what I did. Let me know.
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    BTW- If you are looking for a combination crossover and muffler in a very compact package you can see what I run on the race cars here...

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    Thanks for the information Crash, I will definitely take a look

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    Rodger thanks for the reply and yes I would like to see what you built for your car. Still looking for options in the sway bar department so any information you are willing to share would be greatly appreciated.

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    Here's a couple of pics of the finished product in the GTM. I left it so we could use the rear facing intake or the front facing, which is what we currently run.

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    Here is my solution to the taillights I wanted to use in the GTM. Had to build all the pieces to make the lights work and flush mount as I had envisioned. The lights are 4” Round Mirage Double Vision Red Clear LED lights. They however did not have any mounting holes of standoff to screw to and were meant to be mounted using a rubber grommet with/with out a large chrome trim ring. Well nothing fit the application need to mount in the GTM. So, after a lot a scratching and a trip to the local farm and ranch store where I carried one of the lights looking for some inspiration, I finally stumble across some 4” PVS fitting that I decided would work when cut down. Below are the two pieces I started with:

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    Here is what the light looks like when on, was testing the wiring and as you can see it has the large rubber grommet on the light. This is the brake light on:

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    I needed the clean-out hub to slide the light into, they will mount from the back and slide into the smaller part of the hub until they hit the step-up ring on the light. The 4” coupling was turned down a little to fit the opening on the GTM and then slid the hub into the coupling. The fabricated ” thick rings will slide into GTM taillight hole and the light will slide from the back side of the ring to the sops on the lights. Will fabricate a bracket for the back side as all I need to do now is hold the lights in the rings.

    I needed the clean-out hub to slide the light into, they will mount from the back and slide into the smaller part of the hub until they hit the step-up ring on the light. The 4” coupling was turned down a little to fit the opening on the GTM and then slid the hub into the coupling. The fabricated ” thick rings will slide into GTM taillight hole and the light will slide from the back side of the ring to the sops on the lights. Will fabricate a bracket for the back side as all I need to do now is hold the lights in the rings.

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    The rings are now glassed into he back of the GTM and I will build the brackets later this weekend. Here is what they will look like installed, they are sitting in the rings as they came out flush mounted. I don’t plan to have any trim ring, will finish them and paint the whole fixture then install the lights when painted. Should look good when done.

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    Should look good when done.
    Looks great already.
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    Thanks for the pictures Crash, it opens up possibilities for sure....

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    Finished up the taillights today, below is the bracket made to hold them in from backside:

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    This is the bracket as it will be installed, I plan to use panel adhesive to attach the bracket to the GTM and will long step-down piece will be bolted to the bracket standoffs:

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    I used the above for template and made some out of heavier 1/8" material.

    Here are the lights installed and powered up as we checked out the wiring. I tried to get picture of the Mirage Double Vision lights you can see how they are designed but look much better in real life.

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    Here is a video of the lights in operation, it will give you an idea of what they look like working:


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    Off subject, but thought I would share, did not get to work on the GTM Saturday as I participated in a car show in Gillette Wyoming for their Summer Fest Days. It was small they are trying to grow the event so one of the sponsors ask if I would bring my 1932 Little Duce Coupe over with another friend of mine who was bring a 1933 Ford. They have been trying to get it going and trying to draw more hot rods and custom cars. Drove it from Newcastle WY to Gillette about 100 miles one way and was luck as it did not rain or storm, it has no wipers and no side window so it really is a fair weather car. We drive it around the Black Hills in the summer it really is a blast and we get a lot of looks.

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    Can't wait to get the GTM done and take it for a tour around the Black Hills, Newcastle WY is on the west side of the Black Hills and about 50 mile to Mount Rushmore.

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    Here is a view at the show in down town Gillette, the 33 nest to my yellow 32 nose is my friend and a really nice car.

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    Jame,
    Looks nice.
    What do the lights look like for backup? it is hard to seed colors with video. so Yellow and red Led with clear lens?

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    BTW, the yellow car is crazy, hope noting hit the button of that car, it is better than top of my car.

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    The lights are red and I am adding backup lights lower down in the body they will be separate LED lights. I have had them hooked up and know they do work when transmission in put into reverse. Just have to decide where they are going to go, and will more than likely wait until I have the diffuser installed to get a good look at the rear end when complete.

    Thanks for the compliment, it really is a fun little car to play with. The bottom hold up really well and the way it is designed it is not real easy to get something to bounce under the car when driving. I have been driving it around now since 2106 (but only in the summer good weather) and it does not have any chips on bottom yet anyway. Got it driving in 2016 then got my GTM (next car project) in October 2016, that way had something to do through the long winters we get here.

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    Guess I should have answered the question better, they are red with clear lens and mirrored so you cannot se into the lights unless they are lighted up.

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    You are much better craftsman than I can ever be.

    I am doing all light in tail so no lower backup light, almost there as they are a bit complex in lighting


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    Finished mounting taillights here is the finished bracket in place:

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    Moving on to fit up the back hatch, have it fit and hinges on it move up and down within the designated space but there is definitely some body work to do the make seems even and flow from hatch through to fenders. Here is the hatch attached and sitting in place:

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    Filmed a very short video of the hatch opening as it should, it pulls up and away from the body as it is raised:



    Slowly getting it together but still have a mountain of body work to complete...

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    Got down tot he shop again today, have to leave for a week on Sunday and then again in September so trying to get a few thing done. I built the wire harness for the tail lights, go to attach it to the body and add a 3 way waterproof connection to connect to the power cell. Will be able to unplug then at the power cell and leave the lights in place to lift the body off:

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    Still working on the rear end section making the cutout needed to assemble the GTM, got to the wing today and have it mounted through the body and in place:

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    You can see the hatch clears the wing to you can open the engine compartment without removing the wing:

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    Have to give a shout to Shane at VRaptor for the weld in wing mounts, they worked perfectly and allow for a small hole to be cut in the body to get the wing mounted directly to the frame and not the body. you can see from the pictures it does not take much to get them through the body and the wing mounted:

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    You're making some great progress! Lookin' good!!
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