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Thread: Living the Dream - MKIV Coyote/IRS Build - LCS and Power Wiring

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    You are making great progress and it's evident you are enjoying the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruzzz View Post
    Its been a busy last two weeks including ordering several items (aka spending money) from supporting vendors, drilling holes, painting and starting assembly.

    I completed the front suspension including trimming down the UCA adjusting sleeves mentioned by Fixit and others. There is no way you would even be close to the initial alignment measurements given in the manual without doing this. Highly recommend completing this during assembly. I also attempted to use the provided upper ball joints (even with some removal of powder coating on the threads) to no avail. Ordered the Moog K772 ball joints recommended by Edwardb and the went in no problem. Funny part is on top of the ball join is stamped "Problem Solver".

    Please let me know if you see anything out of place.







    Also installed the power steering rack using the solid offsets sold by Mike Everson. Ordered the Moog ES2150R tied rod ends while I was at it following Edwardb's lead again.



    In the midst of assembly went ahead and ordered the following. As mentioned before doing my part to help the economy.:

    ReplicaParts.com (Mike Everson)
    - 2" roll bar studs (thanks for milling these for me Mike!)
    - Russ Thompson turn signal grommet
    - Front license plate bracket (inexpensive piece to help with Illinois inspection)
    - Set of Weather Pack connectors
    - Seat belt trim plates

    Breeze Automotive
    - Front battery mount
    - Seat bases
    - Radiator fan shroud
    - Hinged radiator mounting kit
    - Lower radiator support kit
    - Power steering rack offsets

    Tangent Technologies:
    - Hidden roll bar fasteners for 2" roll bar

    Russ Thompson
    - Turn signal system
    - Drop trunk kit

    Last but not least...

    Mike Forte Performance Parts:
    - Coyote Engine
    - TKO600 Transmission
    - Hydraulic Clutch
    - Installation package (all the stuff not provided in the FFR Coyote install package)
    - Cobra seat heaters
    - Triple CNC Reservoirs (FYI...if you want a set of these better order soon Mike mentioned it is a family business and they are likely closing this Spring)
    You might want to go ahead and cut those rear upper control arm while you have the suspension hanging. With the power steering you'll need to cut them to get the 8 degrees of caster recommended. As others have indicated I took mine back to the flat spot on tube...about 3/8" off each end.

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    More progress the last two weeks with brake lines, radiator, gas tank and fuel lines.

    I wasn’t happy with the look of the stock brake lines, took what I had done out and picked up some premade sections of Nicopp. I was able to do all the brake lines with 3 - 51”, 1 - 72”, and 1 - 40” sections. Thought it turned out great.







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    Brake lines continued...



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    Next worked on the fuel tank. My fuel system is a combination of items from FFR and Mike Forte. As much as I like the look of the Nicopp lines the ease of the quick connect fuel lines from Forte won out. Not to mention I don’t think anyone but me will probably ever see the under side of my car.





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    Radiator Install

    A few posts back I showed prepping the frame to use the Breeze upper radiator mount. I’m also using the Breeze fan shroud and lower radiator mount. Great combination that appears will provide just enough give versus the more rigid mount directly to the frame per the standard install.

    Can you spot my supervisor in the pictures below?







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    You must be doing a good job, supervisor looks relaxed.
    On my Coyote harness the fan feed ran down the upper right side of the frame, if you want to confirm and clock your fan. I have a 66 2+2, not nearly the level of yours, but a nice car. I got the roll bar drilled and fitted, thanks.

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    Railroad - Glad the roll bar worked out! I'm still going with dual roll bars but opted for the larger diameter used on the MKIII. Thanks for the heads up on the fan feed to wire harness. It will be coming back of when I install the engine so I'll flip it around then.
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    Been a little while since my last update but moving along. Over the last couple weeks I finished up all the brake system including getting the rear calipers the were on back order mounted. With the rear calipers together I could get the e-brake installed leveraging the two pulley method of running the cables many others have done. I also used the Lokar clevis instead of the supplied parts. Hardest part was drilling the hole for the bolt the pulleys went on. Tight space to get a drill and bit into.



    I had grand plans of starting on electrical this weekend but ran into a couple problems when I started setting up my Russ Thompson steering system. I had previously installed the Coyote gas pedal and the new FFR bracket that sets it up even with the other pedals. The most recent instructions tell you to do some trimming including trimming everything flush on the right side. The problems comes when you try to slide the steering shaft into place. It doesn’t clear the upper pedal mounting ear. After taking the assembly back out and trimming the pedal down to the exact shape of the new FFR mount everything had sufficient clearance.



    After all of this was remedied I slide the up shaft back in and noticed the piece that should slide in was a very tight fit and the pillow block wouldn’t slide past the first 5-6” that has a slight taper. Not sure what to do with this. Should I call FFR to get a new shaft or larger pillow block?
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    Clutch Safety Switch and Gas Tank Vent

    While focusing around the drivers side foot box and preparing to start wiring I wanted to get the clutch safety switch done. I used the same method Fixit designed. This was pretty straight forward and made good use of the supplied laser cut brackets.







    The gas tank was installed a while ago but I have been considering how I wanted to do the vent and decided to use the supplied brake reservoir that was otherwise going unused. Looks nice although no one will ever see it. Stuffed an aquarium carbon filter (30 gallons size I think) inside to help with any potential gas odors.



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    Looks good... (I'm glad my instructions were written well enough for someone else to translate into action).

    The conflict with the steering shaft needs clarification... the "male" end won't slide into the female, or the female won't go into the pillow block?
    (In either case, make sure there are no boogers/nicks/dents on the shafts. it's a precise fit and the slightest flaw will hang up. Dress off any nicks with a few swipes of a fine file).
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    Update on the upper steering shaft and pillow block binding. Here is a picture of all the farther I could originally get it to slide on (it is removed from the bracket).



    After ~15 min of sanding it slide on freely and it looks like we are a go to get the Russ Thompson steering system installed tomorrow!

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    Differential Vent, Rear Wiring, Brakes Bled

    With all my brakes and lines installed I leveraged Mrs. Cruzzz's help bleeding the brakes. Took about 30 minutes and all the air was bled out. Bonus...no leaks! I'm using the standard brake setup from FFR with Hawk brake pads. Should stop pretty well. With our '65 Mustang also having manual brakes we are comfortable with the feel and knowing you may need to press a little harder.

    My goal for the weekend was to wrap up the back half of the car including running the rear wiring harness, an extra HAAT wire for a trunk light, and a +12 volt switch wire through the transmission for a back up light. Adding these to the rear harness was pretty easy and then fastened the harness in place using 5/8" rubber lined clamps from the HD.

    I also installed the differential vent. This is the same stock Ford vent Edwardb used.



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    Finalizing Rear Wire Harness, Jeff Kleiner Quick Jack Mod, and Rear Tins

    After getting the rear harness run through the transmission tunnel I had to guide everything to the passenger side to make room for the drop trunk. There is plenty of length to do this without putting pressure on anything. You will actually end up with a couple feet of the main rear harness and the fuel pump branch to tie up.







    You can see above how I tied the loose loom up and ran the DS and PS tail light branches. The following shows where I brought the license plate light and trunk light wires into the trunk just behind the PS roll bar stub.



    With everything rear of the cockpit complete I felt safe permanently installing all the trunk tins.



    I also added the Kleiner mod for the quick jack mounts.
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    Russ Thompson Turn Signal

    Brief post on the Russ Thompson Turn Signal. In an earlier post I shared the trouble I was having getting the pillow block to slide onto the upper shaft. With that resolved it was straight forward using the included instructions and a quick read of Fixit's build thread. Looks and feels like a great addition. Time to get moving on the rest of the wiring.....



    (the steering boss if just slightly installed for now until I get the wiring and dash done.)
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    Dash Alignment Questions

    Working on all things wiring lately including prepping the blank dash. After cutting the gauge holes and adjusting the steering column opening to work with the Russ Thompson Turn Signal system I mocked the dash up on the frame. I read in a few places to leave 1/8” in the center between the top of the dash and the top of the frame hoop. I started by centering the steering column on the steering column hole, leveled the dash from the bottom edge and clamped everything down with 1/8” at the top as suggested.



    This left the top edge of the dash approximately 3/16” above the frame hoop on the PS and DS.



    Does this look right?
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    Sending Unit Wiring Harness Quesion

    Quick question...I plan to run this through the firewall with the Coyote harness but noticed there are three ground wires. Do the need to be hook to the sensors on the engine or should the be grounded to the frame? If they are to be grounded to the frame can I just take them out of the loom and ground them behind the dash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruzzz View Post
    Quick question...I plan to run this through the firewall with the Coyote harness but noticed there are three ground wires. Do the need to be hook to the sensors on the engine or should the be grounded to the frame? If they are to be grounded to the frame can I just take them out of the loom and ground them behind the dash?
    Those ground wires are intended to be used for your gauge sending unit grounds. They don't need to be grounded to the chassis. Your harness is already grounded via the large ground lug to the chassis by the fuse panel.
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    LCS and Power Wiring

    Looking forward to a road trip to Ohio this weekend for the London Cobra Show. Excited to see everyone’s finished cars and shamelessly steal more ideas for my build. Also hoping to meet up with Mr. Kleiner for our first in person intro as I’ve only had the privilege over the phone or through the forum. I actually called him out of the blue to get on the ‘waitlist’ before my kit had even arrived. What can I say...his work is impressive and I’m sure will be worth the wait.

    I also had the opportunity to meet forum member dpariso this weekend at a local car show and checked out his MKIII. Great to meet another FFR fan and roadster owner nearby. He has added several nice touches recently including polished aluminum strips along the sides of the trans tunnel and lighting behind the side vents.

    It is wiring central in my garage these days and I recently focused on getting all the power wiring buttoned up in the engine bay. Most of the layout is based on Edwardb’s design. I also used a master disconnect switch but wanted a certain orientation on the cockpit side so that necessitated a slightly different wire routing between the disconnect and main fuse.





    Note: Positive terminal is capped and wrapped in electrical tape under the connector for now.


    The red and blue wires coming out of the convolute on the 4” round tube are the power and start sense wires for the starter.
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