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    I'm Still Here

    So, I've almost finalized my move to Texas. Unfortunately, in all the chaos, I haven't really had any time to work on my build. I'll be able to get back to it soon though.

    In the meantime, I had the chance to stop by the Circuit of the Americas today. I live about 30 miles from it. It's pretty cool. I'm looking forward to watching the Formula 1 race there in November.



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    Stalling

    I took my car out this morning for a drive around the block, which only takes about 30 seconds, but as soon as I circled back around to my house, the car stalled.

    I let it stand there for a few minutes and it would start again, but then immediately stall. I did this a few times and it kept stalling. I'm thinking the engine is getting flooded, maybe the fuel/air mixture is off?

    Also, when I turn the key to "start" I would usually hear the fuel pump humming for a few seconds and then stop. However, now when I turn the key to the, "start" position, the fuel pump keeps humming and doesn't stop. Could it be possible that I don't have enough fuel in the tank? (FYI I have about 5 gallons in there, although I still haven't been able to get the fuel gauge to work yet)

    I have a Holley Sniper EFI. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    Thanks,

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    When mine acts like that I run through the "Set Up Wizard" from the beginning and she starts behaving.
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    Stalling part 2

    So I added another 1.5 gallons of gas to my fuel tank and things worked fine. The engine started and sounded great. I'm not sure about this situation as I had nearly 5 gallons of fuel in there when it was stalling, yet when I get the tank to about 6.5 gallons, things work fine.

    Anyone with any thoughts on this?
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    I think that you were actually much lower on fuel than you thought... Just my guess... With all the little starts and revs and such that you do, you burn more than you think. The reason your pump continued to run I would guess is that it was starving for fuel and not able to bring the system up to pressure. But if you know for fact there was 5 gal in there, then you may have another problem. But that doesn't sound like the case due to the addition of 1.5 gal and things worked fine.

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    Trans Cover and Papa Motivated

    I decided to cover the transmission tunnel with leather and a French stitch on the edges. I think it turned out pretty good. It has some padding on it, which will hopefully add a little comfort when resting my elbow on it.



    I'm not sure if everyone has seen the pictures of Papa's paint job, but seeing that really motivated me for some reason. Hopefully I can get to that stage soon.

    I'm working on taking the body off this weekend and start buttoning up some things as well as look into why the fuel gauge isn't working. Hopefully I can make some head way.
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    Thanks for the props, Pat. Keep on chipping away at it ... one bite at a time!

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    Great job on the build thus far, keep up the good work!

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    Steering Shaft Wiggle

    So, I've got another question for the forum.

    I've noticed that my steering wheel as a little bit of wiggle in it. When I turn my steering wheel, the wheel (and hub..red arrow below) seems to turn a few millimeters before the hub feels like it "catches" the steering shaft.



    I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and if so, what are some good fixes?

    I'm worried about this wiggle eventually causing the edges of the shaft to become, "rounded" and thus the hub not really gripping the shaft at all, at which point the steering wheel would just spin on the shaft.

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    Hey Pat,
    Just to confirm, the hub has two flat sides as does the steering shaft. (remember when I should you how the 16mm wrench was the perfect size to use to turn the shaft) When you are ready to do your "final" install of the hub, you will be tightening down on the bolt (with hard washer) in the center of the hub. As you do that, it will pull the hub down on to the shaft and the fit between the shaft and hub should/will get very tight. But, I would not tighten it down all the way until you are really 100% sure you want to as it will/could be difficult to pull back off without a puller. Once you tighten it down, the slight play you speak of should be gone.

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    Fuel Level

    I'm still workin on the car..I promise. I've been MIA from the build thread for a while for several different reasons, but suffice it to say that I've officially made my return and hopefully can get this thing finished.

    I'm still working on my fuel level issue.

    To recap, when I calibrate my Fuel gauge on the dash, the gauge reads "E" even though I had gas in the tank. I follow the gauge calibration process exactly.

    I took my fuel level unit out of the tank to inspect it.

    Is this what everyones looks like? And I'm assuming this is what it looks like when the tank is empty.




    I'm assuming this is what it looks like when the tank is full.



    Is it just me or does it seem like the black floating bobber wouldn't reach the bottom of the tank when the gas level is really low? It seems like the depth of the tank is greater than the reach of the black float?

    Any advice is welcome.
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    Pat,

    Rather than struggle with where the float might be in the tank, get your multimeter out and check the resistance at the empty and full positions. They should read close to 16 and 158 Ohms respectively. If they don't, then the sender could be bad.

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    Dave, I don't know what it is, but I'm starting to think that you and BadAsp427 are somehow my lucky charms. It seems like whenever you two chime in, things magically start working.

    So, I went to the garage to test the Ohms like you recommended. I turned on the power to the car and bam! the fuel gauge started reading the proper fuel level. I didn't really do anything different, it just started working.

    I'm gonna chalk this up to the Cobra Gods. But again, thank you for the advice. It's always appreciated. FYI your car looks awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat427 View Post
    Dave, I don't know what it is, but I'm starting to think that you and BadAsp427 are somehow my lucky charms. It seems like whenever you two chime in, things magically start working.

    So, I went to the garage to test the Ohms like you recommended. I turned on the power to the car and bam! the fuel gauge started reading the proper fuel level. I didn't really do anything different, it just started working.

    I'm gonna chalk this up to the Cobra Gods. But again, thank you for the advice. It's always appreciated. FYI your car looks awesome.
    No problem. My guess is it was stuck and by removing it and moving it through it's full range, you fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    Hey, just thought... if you want to make the drive to Summerville, I'd be happy to let you use my Chassis dolly and body buck. Dolly has a 21" lift.

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    those are awesome! what patterns did you use to create those? looks perfect!
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    That chassis dolly was made by Carl, aka BadAsp427. He's been integral in my success to this point. Touch base with him, I'm sure he can shed some light on those dolly plans.
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    Rookie Question

    Silly little issue, but I can't seem to figure this out:

    How do I get this knob to stay in? It just keeps pulling out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by toadster View Post
    those are awesome! what patterns did you use to create those? looks perfect!

    I built the dolly that you refer to. Here is my thread link for it... there is a link to the plans also in there. NOTE: I added a 4x4 for height and I used 6" lag bolts and Gorilla Wood glue as I assembled it. IMO Very important.
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    That headlight switch shaft/knob should click into place when pushed in. Normally not a problem. Maybe wiggle it a little. Also maybe try pushing/wiggling the release button on the underside of the switch. Normally the shaft is long enough. I'm assuming your dash isn't extra thick and the retaining nut is screwed in adequately. Did by any chance you try to put it in before installing in the dash, e.g. with the retaining nut most of the way in? In the end, possible you have a defective switch. If so, on a new kit Factory Five may give you a new one. Or buy a genuine ACDelco D1588 replacement. About $20 on Amazon and perhaps elsewhere. IMO the branded ACDelco switch is better quality than the reproduction switch in the kit.
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    Congratulations, good luck, and enjoy.

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    edwardb,
    I don't think my dash is particularly thick, but then again, I don't really have a good point of reference. I have a layer of closed cellulose foam and then leather covering.
    I tried all the things you mentioned in your post, but no luck. I'm thinking of purchasing one off Amazon. Thank you for the part number. I'll keep ya'll posted.
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    My FFR supplied headlight switch is a bear to remove or install the knob/shaft. It seems I stumbled upon getting it to latch in, by turning the knob all the way to activate the interior lights, while pushing in. If that does not do it, try pressing the removal button on the switch, while doing the same. good luck,
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    I received a new headlight switch from Amazon today. The knob clicked into place and does not pull out. Like edwardb mentioned, the AC Delco part feels high quality.
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    Another win. Nice. They all add up.

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    Body Liner

    I spent the day applying a protective liner to the underside of the body. I used a product called Herculiner. I got it off Amazon.



    Word to the wise: if you use this product, wear gloves.


    This is the finished product.



    I applied a heavy coat around the wheel wells to hopefully add some protection from pebbles flying around down there.
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    Who are you planning to use for body and paint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg K View Post
    Who are you planning to use for body and paint?
    Greg,

    Not sure yet. I'm leaning towards Kleiner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat427 View Post

    ...I'm leaning towards Kleiner.
    Be happy to do it for you but just be forewarned that I'll read you the riot act for painting that $hi+ all the way out to the edge of the wheelwells It is diabolical to get through and remove and will double the time it takes to finish out the wheel openings.

    Word to anyone else---do your painters a favor and keep the bed liner/undercoat/whatever at least a couple inches back from all openings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner View Post
    Be happy to do it for you but just be forewarned that I'll read you the riot act for painting that $hi+ all the way out to the edge of the wheelwells It is diabolical to get through and remove and will double the time it takes to finish out the wheel openings.

    Word to anyone else---do your painters a favor and keep the bed liner/undercoat/whatever at least a couple inches back from all openings.

    Jeff
    *palm-to-forehead*

    I apologize Jeff. Is there anything I can do in the meantime to make life easier on a painter (who will possibly be you)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat427 View Post
    *palm-to-forehead*

    I apologize Jeff. Is there anything I can do in the meantime to make life easier on a painter (who will possibly be you)?
    Call me sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner View Post
    Call me sometime.

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    Progress

    I have a couple days off work, so I had some solid time in the garage today. I made a little bit of progress, which was nice.

    First, I took apart the Breeze radiator shroud and my hood hinges in order to have those parts powder coated. I was always going to be bothered by those parts not being powder coated, so I decided to remedy the issue. I was able get them coated to match the previously powder coated parts.




    Looks much better IMO.







    Also, I installed the Russ Thompson throttle pedal. Like everything else I purchased from Russ, I'm very pleased with the quality of his products.

    I'll be working on the cosmetics of the footbox later.


    I also started on carpeting the trunk today, but ran out of adhesive. Pics to come.
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    Part Identification

    Can anyone help me identify these parts? I assume they're part of the door frame.
    Perhaps someone has a picture of them installed?



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    Pat,

    Those fill the gap along the bottom of the door sills once the body is in it's final position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    Pat,

    Those fill the gap along the bottom of the door sills once the body is in it's final position.



    Dave
    Perfect! Thank you Dave.
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    Pat, regarding that picture you posted of the gas pedal area, I used the same Thermo Tec and carpeted everything like you did, but recently cut the carpet and Thermo Tec away from where my foot rubs the foot box wall. The thing is, the the panel on the engine side angles in toward your foot and that can cause some annoying interference with the carpet on pedal application. I have small feet and found this to be an issue, so you might think about it. It turns out bare metal is the answer for me and you can’t see it unless you look for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTBradley View Post
    Pat, regarding that picture you posted of the gas pedal area, I used the same Thermo Tec and carpeted everything like you did, but recently cut the carpet and Thermo Tec away from where my foot rubs the foot box wall. The thing is, the the panel on the engine side angles in toward your foot and that can cause some annoying interference with the carpet on pedal application. I have small feet and found this to be an issue, so you might think about it. It turns out bare metal is the answer for me and you can’t see it unless you look for it.
    In that case, do you have issues with heat on your foot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat427 View Post
    Trans Cover and Papa Motivated

    I decided to cover the transmission tunnel with leather and a French stitch on the edges. I think it turned out pretty good. It has some padding on it, which will hopefully add a little comfort when resting my elbow on it.



    I'm not sure if everyone has seen the pictures of Papa's paint job, but seeing that really motivated me for some reason. Hopefully I can get to that stage soon.

    I'm working on taking the body off this weekend and start buttoning up some things as well as look into why the fuel gauge isn't working. Hopefully I can make some head way.

    That turned out really nice, did you do the stitching and if so can you expound on how you did it a little?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick7405 View Post
    That turned out really nice, did you do the stitching and if so can you expound on how you did it a little?
    nik7405,

    Although I do a lot of stitching at my job, I can't take credit for this. I had this done professionally at a local automotive upholstery shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat427 View Post
    In that case, do you have issues with heat on your foot?
    No, but I haven’t driven any miles in warm weather yet. If I do notice any any heat I plan to put insulation on the engine side opposite the foot area. I doubt that’ll be an issue though as the area is small.
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