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    I used the mount supplied by FFR, made a few mods to it and added spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACMAN View Post
    Be sure to set your drive line angle before you do any cutting on the exhaust. I used a GM transmission mount from Summit and had to shim it about 1 1/4 inches (aluminum 1/4" shims) to achieve the proper angle.
    Yes I just checked and the angle is the wrong way (UP). So you have the mounting plate that attaches to the frame in the "U" position. Then added the inch and a quarter of shims?

    My mounting plate is in the "n" position and I know I need to change it.

    What is the distance between the floor and the bottom of the transmission tail shaft? I need a good reference. Thanks for your suggestion.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colsen23153 View Post
    Yes I just checked and the angle is the wrong way (UP). So you have the mounting plate that attaches to the frame in the "U" position. Then added the inch and a quarter of shims?

    My mounting plate is in the "n" position and I know I need to change it.

    What is the distance between the floor and the bottom of the transmission tail shaft? I need a good reference. Thanks for your suggestion.
    All of that is covered up now but here are some pictures I found.IMG_1328.JPGIMG_1329.JPGIMG_1146.JPGIMG_1148.JPG
    33 Hot Rod Stage 1 delivered on 4/27/2017, Stage 2 delivered on 9/21/2018
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    I had a piece of aluminum block cut to the correct height and size and installed it between the transmission and the bracket supplied by FFR to shim it up to where it was needed, I also used longer bolts as well.
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    There's an easier, known fix.... Use FSB motor/trans mounts and that Windsor will slide right in! Sorry - a little F vs. Ch ribbing....

    Man it sucks you're stuggling, but between the guys on this forum and F5 you should be able to get this to work. Maybe it's an unknown Gen2 chassis issue because they changed the floor structure? Are you stuck with the 700R4?

    Good luck! Don't get discouraged!
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    Last edited by Mrallsport32; 07-16-2019 at 05:42 PM.
    Gen 2 chassis #1121 delivered 2-10-19. SBC 400 with FI Tech dual quad, 700R4 trans and IRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxMike64 View Post
    There's an easier, known fix.... Use FSB motor/trans mounts and that Windsor will slide right in! Sorry - a little F vs. Ch ribbing....

    Man it sucks you're stuggling, but between the guys on this forum and F5 you should be able to get this to work. Maybe it's an unknown Gen2 chassis issue because they changed the floor structure? Are you stuck with the 700R4?

    Good luck! Don't get discouraged!
    Yes I am stuck with the 700 R4. I bought the 383 and trans from BluePrint. It's a TCI trans and I understand it's a great transmission for a hot rod.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrallsport32 View Post
    Yes. Thank you for your pictures. I see the Ford Trans mount with spacers then the black adapter plate. I like the height of the trans tail shaft.

    UPDATE: Today I got a call from Factory Five. I sent them the pictures I have here and explained what I have tried and what got the exhaust on but the drive shaft won't go on, and other issues. They took that all to engineering and I was told they are going to make a adaptor for me to use to fix my problem. I should be able to bolt up the exhaust and have clearance for the drive shaft. I should have it in a few days or a week. Apparently they monitor the forum and can see the problems I am encountering. Since many of you have chimed in with what you have had to do and with the pie cuts that they are looking into it. So that is on hold and I'm moving on to the body portion of the build. Fingers crossed.
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    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrallsport32 View Post
    I set my trans mount as you have it. The driveshaft universal joint clears the floor ok. I like it this way and it is going to stay this way. The motor is almost level with just a tad down in the back. Much better then before.

    UPDATE: I got some POLs today that I have been waiting a long time for. BUT the steering wheel is set up for an adapter with 9 mounting holes. The one on the car has 6. The center opening goes around the adapter. I sent pictures to FFR Tech. No response as of tonight.
    I'm still waiting for my correct drive shaft and the exhaust fix that they said they were making. Priorities!
    I'm going to the beach tomorrow for a week for a needed rest from all this drama. I have made up my mind that when I come back I will work thru these issues and get that car on the road next month. We shall see.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    I received the correct steering wheel from FFR. They want the other back. Turns out it was for the truck.
    The exhaust fix is not ready. they said it will go after the header connection. We shall see. I asked them if the fix would replace the shorty pipes so I could cut them up and make something that will work. They said to keep them.

    Just came back from the beach today and already working on the car this afternoon. We will see what comes up this week as I have a lot of Dr. Appointments to go to.

    Body has to come off again. Still not flush at the sides. I'm working on the seat brackets. With the body off I'll go kart it to adjust the brakes. The neighbors might not like it without the mufflers.
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    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    I was trying to install the heater A/C unit. The instruction are wrong as far as where to mount the unit and the center to center distance of the line fitting holes. The problem is that the evaporator is too far to the right. When you drill the holes for the line fittings in the fire wall the ones for the A/C hit the fan. There isn't much room for the heater hose either. I gave up tonight but tomorrow I'll tackle it with a fresh start and see what will make it work.

    I'm also working with my son on some brackets for the seats. I'm using a suggestion from some one on Facebook. Should work fine.
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    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Are you using the Vintage Air AC/Heater?
    I didn't have any problems mounting it where my manual showed.
    The 4 bulkhead fitting go down below the Vintage Air in the footwell area.
    Maybe you have a Gen 2? Don't think that part of the chassis would have changed.
    Can you post a pic?
    '33 Hotrod, #1047, delivered on 2/27/18, go cart on 9/24/18.
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    I think FFR has changed to a different Vintage Air unit for the gen 2. There are new instructions on their web site. I haven't encountered any problems with the older unit yet either.
    Gen 1 '33 Hot Rod #1104
    347 with Holley Sniper & Hyperspark, TKO600, hydraulic clutch, IRS, Foose 18" Wheels, 245 & 315 BF Goodrich G-Force Rival S tires, DRL, power windows, roadster & hard top, Digital Guard Dog Ignition

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    I just looked at the same link I used when I installed mine, there is a different unit shown now, page 32. It looks smaller that the one that came with my car.
    The bulkhead connections are up top on the firewall now.
    You could put those connections anywhere you want, just need to use longer hoses, or move the heater box over more to the center.
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    '33 Hotrod, #1047, delivered on 2/27/18, go cart on 9/24/18.
    LS3 w/4L65e, Lokar shifter, Electric PS, Vintage AC/Heat/Def, 8.8" 3.55
    TorqThrust II Wheels w/Toyo Proxy T1 Sport Tires, F 245/45ZR17 R 295/35ZR18

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    I don't know if I have a Vintage Air AC/Heater. Nothing on it says that. It says Siroco? I have already drilled the fire wall where the instructions said not down below. Here are some pictures I took explaining to FFR Tec what the problem was. 100_2313.JPG 100_2314.JPG 100_2315.JPG 100_2316.JPG 100_2319.JPG

    You can see that the fitting for the AC is blocked by the fan housing. Does the unit for the gen 1 say Vintage Air?

    Tec was no help. They called the evaporator the condenser and vice versa.

    I will run the car without heat and A/C until if moving the evaporator over left fixes it or I can get some good answers.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Yes, the unit I got is clearly identified as a Vintage Air. This unit...
    https://www.vintageair.com/builder-s...%20II%20Compac

    Maybe they've changed away from Vintage. I was just looking at the instructions page of the FFR web site and noticed that the file name for the A/C installation instructions say it's for the truck. Maybe there is a different set for the 33? Perhaps you keep the bulkhead/firewall fittings in the same location as done in gen1?
    Gen 1 '33 Hot Rod #1104
    347 with Holley Sniper & Hyperspark, TKO600, hydraulic clutch, IRS, Foose 18" Wheels, 245 & 315 BF Goodrich G-Force Rival S tires, DRL, power windows, roadster & hard top, Digital Guard Dog Ignition

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF33rod View Post
    Yes, the unit I got is clearly identified as a Vintage Air. This unit...
    https://www.vintageair.com/builder-s...%20II%20Compac

    Maybe they've changed away from Vintage. I was just looking at the instructions page of the FFR web site and noticed that the file name for the A/C installation instructions say it's for the truck. Maybe there is a different set for the 33? Perhaps you keep the bulkhead/firewall fittings in the same location as done in gen1?
    I already drilled the holes in the fire wall. I think the instructions are for the hot rod also. I'm going to move the unit over for clearance and order different fittings for the heater hoses.

    FFR Trch confirmed they did change the unit. Possibly that is why the dimensions don't match up with the new unit.
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    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    I received my correct drive shaft from FFR mentioned way back. It finally came in and is the correct length. The fix for the exhaust hasn't come in yet. I can't wait so I bought some ball and socket pipes that I will use with some flex pipe until FFR comes through with the fix. I should be able to go kart in the next week and get the rest of my build on track. I have to put in the gas peddle in and the transmission mount.
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    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    I was notified by FFR that the exhaust fix has been cut and will be on it's way tomorrow. I sent the whole day trying to install temporary exhaust. Drivers side went in but couldn't get the proper bend in the header extension for the passenger side. I'll take it all out waiting for the parts to come in.

    I installed the accelerator pedal. What have you done to shorten the cable? I cut most of it out and ran both ends inside a vacuum hose or fuel hose. Looks good but you have to be very careful with everything in that area of the car. The fuse panel, steering wiring. It's hard to find a safe place.

    I might put the evaporator back in moved over while I wait for the exhaust fix to come in.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Wow, FFR actually told you ahead of time that something was going to come? Any time they sent me something on the POL all I got was the fedex notification that something was on the way. I had no idea what it was going to be until it showed up....
    Gen 1 '33 Hot Rod #1104
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    You can just call them anytime and check. They have always been friendly about answering POL questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF33rod View Post
    Wow, FFR actually told you ahead of time that something was going to come? Any time they sent me something on the POL all I got was the fedex notification that something was on the way. I had no idea what it was going to be until it showed up....
    FFR has been working with me for a while now on the exhaust problem. I have tried everything they have asked and then some. They said some time ago that they would work up a "fix" in engineering. This is what they are sending not items on my POL.( I think they have sent everything on my POL now). When this comes in I hope it fixes the exhaust problem.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colsen23153 View Post
    FFR has been working with me for a while now on the exhaust problem. I have tried everything they have asked and then some. They said some time ago that they would work up a "fix" in engineering. This is what they are sending not items on my POL.( I think they have sent everything on my POL now). When this comes in I hope it fixes the exhaust problem.
    Good luck. I had the same issues on the drivers side of my LS install. I finally modified the shorty pipe myself.
    33 Hot Rod Stage 1 delivered on 4/27/2017, Stage 2 delivered on 9/21/2018
    LS3 376/480, 4L70E, Electric PS, Classic Auto Air, Lokar electronic sport shifter,
    Ford 8.8 w 3.73 w 4 link, Billet Specialty Legend Series MAG wheels and Mickey Thompson
    Sportsman S/R 26x8x18 front and 29x18x20 rear tires

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    I got the "fix" from FFR today. It was nothing more them another set of 3 bolt flanges that go on the header. They were not tapered as I thought. Their idea was to get the shorty pipes lower. It did help the drivers side but not the passenger side. The small block Chevrolet has to be mounted 1/2" towards the back for clearance of the crank pulley and the steering rack. That automatically puts the right header almost blocked by a tube from the frame. By putting a spacer there it only makes matters worst. With everything bolted as tight as I could I still had an exhaust leak there.

    I should have done this next thing a month and a half ago. Tomorrow I am taking that spacer out of the passenger side and put a pie cut to angle the pipe towards the motor and another cut to angle it down to meet the S pipe. I'll make one cut in the drivers side just to angle it down. I found some one to tig weld it back together. Hope to have it done by Monday night.

    8/17
    100_2328.JPG 100_2329.JPG

    Now to get them cleaned up and welded.

    8/19
    Went to the welder. He tacked them and suggested I trial fit them. Passenger side was off a bit. fixed that. The drivers side, which was the best, was the worst. Had to redo it two times. They are at the welder to be finished.

    8/21
    Welded pipes are back. I am using the spacers given by FFR as the fix on both sides. The passenger side is good. The driver side hangs the muffler too low. My fault for trying to make it perfect and went too far. My son said he can heat them up and bend them the rest of the way. That's for tomorrow. I'm also going to look up a A/C company that will crimp the hoses and try to get some fittings that will work with this new model A/C unit. The directions don't work with the equipment given. New supplier and the unit is bigger. Thanks FFR.
    Last edited by colsen23153; 08-21-2019 at 06:49 PM.
    '33 Hot Rod Chassis # F5R100 1118, Gen 2, hard top, bike fenders, AC, electric steering ordered 1/23/2019 Delivered 4/29/2019. BluePrint Engines Chevy 383 Fuel Injected 430HP with the 700R4 transmission ordered 1/24/2019 arrived 3/29/2019. 3 link 8.8" rear 3.55 Wheels and tires from Summit. American Racing VN405 Custom Torq-Thrust II Polished Wheels 18 X 8 front and 18 X 11 rear. The tires are BFGoodrich g-Force Rival S 1.5 Tires 245/40-18 front 315/30-18 rear.

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