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    SS383 Build - 33 Hot Rod #1134

    Ready to start the adventure.
    - 33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen
    - Full fenders and top
    - A/C P/S P/W
    - 383 Chevy w/ Tremec 5sp
    - Moser 3 Link
    - Wilwood Brakes all around
    - Other fun stuff to be determined.
    Garage all ready
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    Delivery Time from the big Red Truck (thanks Jim)
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    Ready for Inventory
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    Good choice for power. Have fun.
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    Enjoy and have fun!
    33' Hot Rod Coupe/Roadster, Fendered, Ford 302, 350hp, EFI, AOD, 4-Link, Double Adjustable Koni Coilovers, Split Rear Exhaust, Electric Power Steering, AC/Heat/Defrost, Moser 8.8"-3.55, Willwood Front/Rear Brakes, 18" x 8" Fronts/20" x 10" Rears, Ordered: 1.26.17, Arrived: 3.29.17, First Start: 7.2.18, Go Cart: 11.4.18 Paint/Body: 2.23.19; View More Pics @ https://starmobileone.com/

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    Welcome to the party Peter! I look forward to following your build, its going to be even more fun than the one we did at build school. Going for a Blueprint engine?
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    Welcome Fellow Dark Side Guy!

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    CONGRATS!!! Other than good luck the first piece of advice I can give you is to get the body, doors, trunk, hood all fit up and aligned with each other (you will need to fit up the rad with the front grill as well) first before you get into all the other fun stuff!! This will not only test your patience but it will get you way ahead when it comes to the rest as that portion can go very quickly and the least amount of dust on it the better. This is a lesson I learned the hard way and now understand this is the way the other "full time builders" do it as well as at FFR. Doing body and fitment early on also lets you ensure good alignment for the rest of the components afterwards.

    Oh and most of all HAVE FUN!!!
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    that's great advice! I am in the process of doing exactly that and have 10 - 15 hours in trying to hang the first door and it still isn't quite done. I am so glad to be getting this part of the build over with (while it is still cool in the shop). The rest will be a walk in the park.

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    I’m thinking about that process. I’m trying to find a post about the entire grind/sand/smooth process. I read a post but can’t find it again. It’s a bit overwhelming to decide where to start.
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    Yup. Blueprint just makes it easier. Hope to order it this month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterh226 View Post
    Yup. Blueprint just makes it easier. Hope to order it this month.
    If you are going to be running an HEI Distributor then consider purchasing this little gem of a Rev-Limiter from MSD:

    https://youtu.be/3C-IwoadX7Q

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8727ct

    I've got this unit on my car and really works well and adjusts with the twist of two dials in 100 RPM increments.
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    Thanks, I'll add it to my research list!
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    Hi Folks - Delivery Video
    I'm working on having an automatic Video capture of the build. I'll explain in another set of posts, but here's a link to my first video. This one has a wider variety than what will be coming, but is still fun!
    https://youtu.be/VQLDDTPj6TI
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    Body Mounting

    Measured and marked the firewall. Determined pattern on the pieces for 1/4-20 button heads later on.
    Trimmed the body at edges of lower firewall so it did not contact anything once the sides were attached.
    Installed rear mountings. Was really even.
    Used it the Greenlee drill/taps on the door sills to install 8-32 screws to hold them in the right place.
    Bottom is essentially level with the frame and all looks square.
    Hereís the spacing after trimming
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    And the measurements and screws for the sills
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    - Peter

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    Firewall mounting

    Centered and marked firewall for the pattern I wanted. Will be using button heads for final install.
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    - Peter

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    You build Looks good. I see you got your door hinges. Im jealous, I’m still waiting on all my hinges . I called F 5 again today they said they expect them to ship with my floor parts this week.

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    and just when you hope all the powder coating is done, you find a few more parts that need it.... Starting to get into it Peter!
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    Painting

    I want to get everything at least in primer before I start assembly. Created a spray booth out of an old shelving unit.
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    Lots of parts out for powder coat and a bunch of stuff on the POL. So, Iíll start some basic body work to slowly work my way into this stuff. Iím in no hurry, so enjoying the ride!
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    SS383 Badges

    A little Solidworks modeling, 3D printing, and paint and I've got a logo for the car. Planning on badges on either side of the Cowl post and maybe on the rear. Sorry Ford guys, my car is what I want it to be!
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    Next one will ge primed with SlickSand to smooth it out a but. Order of color is a bit tricky as well.
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    Warped Door and Striker pin mount issue.

    Got a chance to work on the doors this weekend. Drivers door has been giving me fits so I decided to give the passenger side a try.
    I was able to get it to fit up quite easily. Still a bit more to do, but it's pretty close.
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    On the passenger side...
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    It's a big twist and I have no idea how to get it out.

    At the front, the bracket for the Latch does not touch the door frame at the to hold the striker pin in place. I've got a gap of ~1/2 inch. Looks like I'll have the same on the other side. Maybe Gen 2 needs a different bracket.
    bracket to body gap at striker pin.jpg
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    Iíve had similar struggles. My pass door went together fairly well but I also ended up with the same gap youíre showing. I ended up adding shim washers to cover the gap. I also had to cut down the collar of my door striker as it was too long and would not allow the door to close.

    Drivers door has been a different story altogether, it kicked my butt. I have it close but can see that it would take quite a bit of glass work to get it 100%. I called and sent note to FF and have had great response from them, think Iíll end up trying a replacement door.
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    They sent me a replacement drivers door, it was a little better than the original. I still needed shims to make it align with the body.
    The top front of the door is off a bit where it meets the body, I'll need to do some grinding and glass work to make the fit look OK.
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    Thanks Jim, I'll give them a call...
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    Here's what will need some work on to make it look decent.
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    The other issue with both doors is the rear lower corner, it hits the body before the door closes, maybe some door seals will keep the inside of the door off the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLev View Post
    Here's what will need some work on to make it look decent.
    Dscn3322.jpg

    The other issue with both doors is the rear lower corner, it hits the body before the door closes, maybe some door seals will keep the inside of the door off the body.
    I had the same issue and unfortunately ground too much away from the door side and the bond let go between the two skins, so I had to add more fiberglass mat on the inside of the door in that area. I laid three layers of 1.5oz mat on that face lapping onto the top of the door where the window slot would go. I could have added to the body, however I was hesitant to do so as it has multiple layers of cloth and would be harder to get the same strength back due to the strength to thickness ratio of the cloth and resin. Regardless it seemed to work well and will only need to modify the window seal for the power windows.
    20181223_104805.jpg You can see the crack in this pic before I corrected it.
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    Thanks for the pic and info AJT. Last night I ordered resin and mat. Think I'll do some glassing before the sanding.
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    Blueprint Engine Specs for my build

    WooHoo!! We're gonna have fun with this...
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    Sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterh226 View Post
    WooHoo!! We're gonna have fun with this...
    383_Dyno.jpg
    Really Nice!
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    Body progress - Radiator mounting

    Got the passenger door fitted pretty well a couple of contact points when opening, but at least itís close. After my fight (and loss) with the drivers door this is pretty good.

    The radiator assembly is ok. The pieces didnít line up too great but I got it all together. The tolerance difference between the radiator and the grill are a little more than Iíd like and I will review some more before any final assembly. The condenser brackets also were pretty tight and I needed to grind some clearance on the grill. Definitely some bending to fit on all of this stuff.
    The spacers you use with the a/c change some of the clearance as well, so more things to review. Iíll post some more details soon.
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    Looking forward to getting a bunch done next weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterh226 View Post
    WooHoo!! We're gonna have fun with this...
    383_Dyno.jpg
    Yes You Will!

    Tire shredding will be surprisingly easy.

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    Radiator assembly

    Got all of the parts trimmed and drilled. Condenser was not even with the face of the grill so I filed a bit away. Not sure why there is a difference, but it all looks ok. I put a spacer in for the upper mounts to better hold in place an not bend the brackets. Also got a couple of ordinary M16-2 nuts for temporary assembly purposes.
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    Looks like any serious suspension maintenance is going to require the radiator to be removed along with a bunch of stuff. Not worth obsessing about!
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    Now to fit the hood
    - Peter

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    Looks great, Peter.
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    Looks good Peter. Interesting you had a bit of a clearance issue with the grill. Although the manual mentioned that the grill needed to be cut for the condenser, I found that it was already notched out and the clearance was great.

    On Gen 2 do the engine side panels still rest on the lower extensions from the main body? If they do, I'm told that position of the body relative to the firewall, the engine side panels, and the hood should all be fitted at the same time as there is interaction between them all...

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    Nose cone and Engine Sides

    Got the hood fitted. The gaps are a bit larger than I would have liked, but I think I will still do. Need to mount the hinge to see how motion affects the clearance.
    Hood sides and Nose cone were not too bad to fit, but don't really align as I'd like.
    - The Nose cose is OK on one side and short on the other. I measured the grill and it is the same distance from various points on the firewall to mounting locations on the grill. So I think the positioning of the Grill is reasonable. It's mounted pretty far back as well.
    IMG_1318.jpg IMG_1319.jpg
    At the front I guess I'm supposed to remove the Vertical flange and glass over the joint so it becomes one piece. I guess I can extend the one side at the same time.

    The Sides fit up pretty well. Top mount to the grill is a little small as I needed to remove most of the flange to get it to line up with the grill.

    However, as noted by others the top of the sides is a bit too high. The Half round from the hood will not line up.
    IMG_1320.jpg IMG_1321.jpg

    Options:
    - see if there is some way to lower the nose cone so the sides are lower.
    - try to pie cut the side panels and then glass them back together.
    - Trim the hood and lose some of the half-round to the Hood/Side panel joint. The top would like up OK anyway.

    I'm glad to be doing this now without any of the other mechanical parts getting in the way or dusty or damaged.

    At least the Fenders and Running boards look pretty straightforward.
    July4_frontB.jpg

    Jason seems to be in the same Pickle. https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/show...od-Texas/page2 #45 shows about the same thing.
    - Peter

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    Question on the nose cone/under grill lip: Is yours two pieces or one? Mine was one piece and was long on each side and not trimmed back, I actually removed a good 2" when I setup mine. I find it very strange that it's now 2 pieces and you would need to laminate it together???? I would drop a note to Tony at FFR as I dont think this is right, I would be very surprised that they don't replace it. Here is a picture of mine, as you can sort of see (excuse the picture quality, lots of dust from sanding and cutting) that i needed to cut and trim it to that point and more.
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    Looks like they went to 2 pieces with the Gen 2. @Michael101 is seeing the same issues I am. Time for a chat with FF.
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    You’re nose cone looks very similar to mine. Ok on one side and short on the other. Also, the two sides are not equal length when measured horizontally from the rear where they mount to the body to the suspension notches. They’re off by 1/4 to 3/8”. Not a big deal really, I’m just obsessing over minor details ��*♂️
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    You’re nose cone looks very similar to mine. Ok on one side and short on the other. Also, the two sides are not equal length when measured horizontally from the rear where they mount to the body to the suspension notches. They’re off by 1/4 to 3/8”. Not a big deal really, I’m just obsessing over minor details ��*♂️
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    Very strange. Just looked at this part earlier in the week after everyone was chatting about how critical the grill angle is. Like Andreas, my gen 1 part appears to have lots of length available for trimming. I believe I had read in some build threads that to get the piece to sit right they ended up cutting it down the middle to remove some material. I've yet to get to that level of fussing with it but if this is true perhaps that is why FFR went to a 2 piece solution. Anyway, looks like Peter is going to call FFR and find out what's up. 1 piece or 2 they need to be close to the same and definitely long enough...
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