Saw this linked from the other forum. It came from a HotRod article. Is this the new 33 PICKUP?!?
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/sneak...ect-cars-2017/
The article says this will be at SEMA this year. It has a STEEL BED!
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Saw this linked from the other forum. It came from a HotRod article. Is this the new 33 PICKUP?!?
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/sneak...ect-cars-2017/
The article says this will be at SEMA this year. It has a STEEL BED!
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Yikes! This would be my first choice for a build. I'm barely half way through my 818. How do I convince the boss I "need" this truck?
Did FFR add a bit more room in the frame and firewall for a Coyote plus A/C and a heater?
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That looks like the loft where they do the fiberglass at FF and it's the 33 frame. Dave said he might do a truck and the 33 needed a refresh soon.
I'm already registered for SEMA so it will be fun to see this in person along with the rest of the body parts that were still in design for the steel
33 coupe they had there last year. I like the grille shell design better too.
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I grabbed and flipped an image from factoryfive.com.
Looks like the door length is roughly the same on top... But the overall legroom is reduced or the same?
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Like! Been looking at an old pickup for a while. I guess I will wait a bit longer.
Kyle
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Looks to me like the door is just cut straight down and not slightly angled forward. The front body line is still angled. If so, legroom would be the same once in it but you'd have less opening down there than current shape.
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YAY! Dave listened to me when I asked for a pickup something like 5 yrs ago!
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It does look like there's a big change in the frame. Looks like the passenger space was shortened to make the the truck look right. Making a more upright seating position that was mentioned nessasary .
I think it would be tough to keep the tall perimeter frame too. Combine that with the shorter door it will make getting in and out a bit tight. Wonder where the gas tank will go? Maybe low and behind the axle like the roadster?
This is sweet! I still wish they made a version of the hot rod with a '32 front end.
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Wasn't the '33 Pickup more vertical? more like a '32 Coupe?
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It likely has the 8.8 IRS since that's where the FF builds are moving to. The roll cage could have decent headroom in this one and the down bars coming out
through the back of that cab and into the bed just adds to the look IMO. The doors wrap all the way around the glass so it should seal up nicely as far as
wind noise etc. The way the cab ends looking forward is shaped just like the new steel 33 coupe so I'm thinking it uses the same chin pieces they are stamping
now. That gives me hope that the new hood and grille shell will become standard on the coupe as well. Can't wait to see it in person at SEMA this year.
Dale
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A vette donor would be perfect for the truck if you can stand a chevy powerplant . The 33 coupe Glenn did had a C5/6? drivetrain.
The torque tube had to be shortened but I don't recall by how much. Anyone have Glenn Sommers contact still ?
The truck WB is 7" longer than the FF coupe Glenn used so it may be a better fit now. The plus was the torque tube is much smaller than a
bellhousing so you gain a lot of footroom/pedal box width. On the coupe, the down side was the transaxle put the TC right at the drivers
elbow so HEAT and space was an issue at the back of the pass box instead of the front. The truck cab rear wall is actually 4" forward on
the chassis so the TC should be outside of the passenger compartment if it works out the way I think it would. Go get em Dad.
Dale
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The gas tank is moved all the way back and yes the back half tubing is different. At this point it's a longer 3 link with the springs moved forward of the axle.
A roll cage should be much easier because of all the new headroom. Rear meat has lots of room, maybe even enough for a BIG Hemi (cough) without a carb .
Seeing the truck this week really got me pumped and thinking about building another FF when the Hemi coupe is done.
Dale
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Will it come only as a coupe or will a roadster version be avail. with a hardtop option?
Yes it does,
but "at this point" is a good thing to remember because "it will evolve a bit from the beta to production if it moves to that"
The lower control arms are 7" longer than the coupe version and they have spring perches just in front of the axle housing.
I hope it will eventually have an IRS option but the new rear stub on the chassis is mostly to carry the truck bed and protect
and support the rear mounted fuel tank. That rear stub design would have to be changed a bit to be able to mount the IRS.
Dale
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I felt very fortunate to be at FF at the right time to see this concept and be allowed into the skunkworks area.
Jim S. was very patient with all my questions and spent a lot of time showing me what changes were needed to
make the 33 chassis work with the truck body. I didn't take any pictures and I didn't even ask because of SEMA.
After I returned home I sent a thanks to Jim for his time and asked if there was anything that could be shared
in advance or if they wanted to keep it all secret until the reveal. Jim said that feedback is what helps move
a concept forward so starting a buzz now is fine with him.
One other tidbit and one correction;
The truck doors will be hinged at the front so the hinge mount structure will move to that location on the chassis.
I mentioned a 4 link prior but IIRC the truck is currently a 3 link with a panhard <> I'm not 100% on that but
I do recall the extra length there was making the live axle swing in a bit different arc and that changed the
anti dive anti squat forces a bit.
Dale
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We didn't talk about kit options because it's still too much in flux to say where it will all evolve to,
and is the kind of thing that will be sorted out later IF/When it gets the green light for production.
What I saw was a few truck cab bodies that all looked like the same mold.
The doors do have a full frame around the window glass IIRC.
We did talk about a roll cage for the truck but it was still just a twinkle in Jim's eye at this point
so it will be fun to see how he approaches that when the truck gets to SEMA.
A hot rod truck with a soft top would be a kickass option if it all moves forward.
Dale
By bigger HEMI you must mean John Kaase heads on a real ford? Needs the rack moved forward a little for the big blocks... I hope the back half is robust enough for a trailer hitch. I would consider a Vicki or Panel version. Changing the doors could lead to a MKIIHR. I guess I could always convert the tailgate to FARGO and put Dodge Fenders on it. Narrowed dually rear maybe. hmmm hope they do this in steel also. With taller cab the blower doesn't affect visibility as much. Maybe we'll see a 4BT cummins in an FFR? Of course I would go with a 3-53T Detroit just to make noise.
I've been dreaming about a 33 HR build "some day." This new model is exactly what I want: a small truck with great body styling and FF design. Plus, I get to build it! I'm looking forward to hearing about pricing and availability.
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Jim and I actually discussed that this week. The new rear clip surrounds the fuel tank but the bigger tube is at the top across the back
and the lower tube is much smaller. We talked about how to add a couple diag braces to the center bottom so a hitch could be added.
Dually meat on the truck would be very cool. The body is all glass except for the inside of the bed, that will be metal on the concept truck
but it will still evolve some from the beta unit. The rack needs flipped to front steer so there is room for other big blocks to fit.
At this point IIRC it won't have fenders so tire choices will be wide open.
I will keep pushing for the panel vice the Vicky because that would allow a very robust 6 point cage without hurting useable space.
AND it fits the more than 2 passengers that customers have been begging Dave to do for years.
Dale
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Since we're making suggestions, the ability to "bag" it. Love to be able to adjust ride height.
David
I am in that camp too. Those options would be a second phase in my mind once the basic kit and body is in production.
I know he has a lot to do before SEMA so I don't know if he is reading this now or will follow up after the show to add these comments to the feedback.
How would you guys feel about a rollbar and down bars behind the cab vs the hoop in the cab and only the downbars showing in the bed.
I say this because the back of the cab is 4" forward of where the coupe roll bar normally lands.
Dale
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I hope that FF throws away the box on the next project, and whether it's 33 based or not it needs to haul more than 2 people.
In the interim the HR truck is a very cool peek out of the box for now. I think the final version will have a lot more changes to
the 33 chassis when design and fabrication time is not an issue.
I told Jim about your project with the early Hemi and slightly wider Mopar front end and that it would give more width up front.
I'm not sure how involved it would be to change to front steer but that would change a lot of space issues for motor size and
hopefully move the bellhousing forward enough to gain footroom with any engine combo.
I would be surprised to see anything come from FF with bags so that part may fall on the buyer to do, but the number of
owners with mad fabrication skills is growing every day.
A trailer hitch on a hot rod ? What kind of a redneck would do such a thing.
Dale
You're going to make me go measure the 460 BBF aren't you! I briefly looked at relocating the rack early in my project when I was considering a blown stroker 392. Sobered up on Sunday and scratched that idea. But, there is 1" to gain by flipping the rack brace forward of the tube behind the coil overs. It requires an angle cut above the lower control arm bushings so you can put the mount forward, flip it, and weld it back in. Something NAZ would do in less than 1/2 hour minus the paint drying. Not sure how it would affect geometry to the spindle, Ackerman, and bump steer, but, once you go BBF I doubt you need more than 4 degrees caster, so maybe the math works out. Next problem is the top of the Ford bellhousing hitting the firewall tubing. This is where my 130 tooth Mopar bell won the tunnel race. I do have a lot of set back and found foot room with shorter clutch fork mod. keeps the left quad in shape.
I would like to see a little more robust bracketry in the front and lose that FFR radiator mount attached to the upper control arm. Getting a wider, taller radiator and bumper would go along with the truck theme.
No trailer Hitch on a truck is like no turbo on an 818!! Something's gotta pull the R chassis!