Does anyone have a source for a FE style surge tank that would fit a 302?
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Does anyone have a source for a FE style surge tank that would fit a 302?
Hope This Link Helps:
http://dovemanufacturing.com/water_tanks.html
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I know this doesn't directly answer the question but you don't need one. A recirculating cap and a overflow can will allow for system expansion. I have been driving my car this winter in texas and has not required additional coolant and hasn't been hotter than 180 degrees according to the gauges. Good luck with your build.
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I just like the style. The problem is FE outlet bolts are 90 degrees off the pattern of the 302 which makes the FE part incompatible without mods that are beyond my skill-set... I'll probably stay with the in-line filler. Unless someone has a mirror image of the FE tank.
This pic shows the right side exit but the flange is 90 degrees off:
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Last edited by CNIdog; 02-19-2019 at 11:33 AM. Reason: insert pic
I found this a while back on the other forum.
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/160-mod...all-block.html
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you also need to have the water return line that connects from the water pump out to the block. So the FE will only work if you're into cut and weld.
BUT I did find one company that was making the old Ford Galaxie FE engine expansion tank into a small block expansion tank.
http://classicfordradiator.com/63-66...sion-tank.aspx
I have not purchased one from them but so far they are the only company that I have found that offers one without having to do the cut up of parts to "make it fit".
There is also a company called Campion Cooling - a Matt Dawson - that is considering creating one for a small block.
They have already done a FE engine one - not like the original Galaxie tanks all aluminum.
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
Here is another option;
https://vintagewheelsus.com/index.ph...products_id=52
Just google fe expansion tank
FYI: Superformance supplies a tank with their SBF installs, it's much like the Vintage unit previously mentioned. It was available in stainless or black paint. Kirkham has or had one, a friend bought one, expensive but very cool machined aluminum. In many ways the tanks are a PITA, often multiple gaskets, twisted hoses and it always seemed to be in the way. But then, nice to work with once installed properly.
I have a fab'd aluminum unit from Olthoff Racing that I'll rework to form better, i.e. less complex, connections but I'm also looking at off-engine mounted alternates. I do kinda like this one though, it's sand blasted, coated with high temp clear over dirty fingerprints, suits me well.
Jim
Later,
Chris
"There are no more monsters to fear, and so, we have to build our own."
Mk3.1 #7074
Oh, I forgot my tank, thanks Chris, I copied what you did.
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Pics of mine in both big block and small block dress. The big block look was accomplished with adapters for the valve covers.
Later,
Chris
"There are no more monsters to fear, and so, we have to build our own."
Mk3.1 #7074
Dang! Mine was something like 35 bucks on ebay..... but that was 10 years ago, I guess
Later,
Chris
"There are no more monsters to fear, and so, we have to build our own."
Mk3.1 #7074
Yep, bought mine at a swap meet for about $40. I still have 2 that could still be converted and used.
I really don't think I'll need them. I'll dig them up and post a picture
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
I took an old FE surge tank and had a bracket cut, then modified the tank and welded the tank to the bracket. Still have an extra tank and bracket!3C4E58E2-5F52-4DD9-AE17-E91B029F7074.jpeg935F4412-5D46-459F-9ED1-4B0B98EDBB5E.jpg
Here is what they built for me as a FE style surge tank but to be used on a 5.0L engine
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All nicely done BUT for me I'll need to move my alternator lower on the passenger side of the motor.
I have power steering on the driver side of the motor so to "balance out" the engine I placed the alternator on the passenger side - also so I could use a serpentine belt not a V belt.
They also put in place a threaded hole in the bottom of the tank for the electric fan switch.
So I can't install it yet till I get some brackets to move my alternator lower.
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
Looks great! Just what I'm hoping to get. How much did it cost?
sent you a PM
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
Here is mine with and without expansion tank. Tank from Superformance. Stupid expensive.
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Thats the same alternator bracket I used.
just the two bolts through the thermostat housing!
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
I have the speed dr low alternator mount on my car. It's a great piece, but it is a PITA to go under the car to tighten the belt if you need to.
Ralph...have you mounted the tank in the car with the distributor in place? I had that tank back when ********** was selling them. Manufactured by the same people you bought it from. It wouldn't fit with the larger size EFI distributor in my car and I couldn't find a small cap version of the efi distributor available, so I returned it. I wound up modifying an original tank (and then had to replace it after a while with another modified tank because the seam split on the first one).
But it'd definitely a cool look.
With the dual carbs I had to go with a small diameter distributor. Took some searching but I found a 1976 Bronco 5.0L distributor that was wired for a duraspark ignition system which is what I'm using. It took a lot of searching but found the information on a Bronco forum! Seems a lot of the people rebuilding 1985 mustangs are also using this distributor for the spark advance. Once I found the right distributor wouldn't ya know amazon would carry it! I also have a Pertronix small cap distributor that if needed I was going to rewire for. So yes I noticed that the large cap EFI distributors were going to also have issues with the surge tank! Good point to bring up for others considering it.
Ralph Button
FFR 1436 (PROUD Owner of an Original Mark I)
400,013 miles as of 11/1/2009
417,840 miles as of 8/12/2010
435,021 miles as of 12/19/2011
Now a well broken in 347 engine
523,145 miles as of 7/29/2014
601,165 miles as of 6/1/2018
615,215 miles as of 4/23/2022
"It's not about the destination, it's the about the journey. And where is your journey taking you?"
"... Not all who wander are lost!... --J.R.R. Tolkien
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Here is my first mock-up and fit, not sure if it will go black or gold. Have to finish the hose fit as NAPA hose was not quite a fit
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Tony Nadalin
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2015 SCCA Oregon Region VP3 Champion
2012 ICSCC ITE Class Champion
FFR MkII Challenge Car, Spec Racer, Street Legal, SCCA, ICSCC and NASA Racing
818R Build in progress
Any news on this for 2023?
I am looking to put one of these on my new 347 stroked that is a ford sb 302.
Anyone now making one? No luck searching…
Got mine here: Classic Radiator 516-293-2175.
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I used Speed Doctors alternator bracket to lower my alternator. I had to make a spacer out of aluminum stock so the tank would clear the distributor.
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Thanks, I will call them tomorrow.