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Last edited by wooward; 10-30-2011 at 11:20 PM. Reason: Specs added
Targa
Last edited by wooward; 10-30-2011 at 11:19 PM.
I'm a huge fan of this project and have been following it since the announcement. I am so confident in this project that I have already purchased my donor car in preparation. With that being said I was a little disappointed with the 4 designs chosen. I would still build any of them, but none of them set my hair on fire as they sit. This design however does. It has everything that I am looking for in this car. It is clean, beautiful, unique, exotic, and functional. I know Dave is looking for feedback, and my advice is to consider this design. I haven't seen anything negative about this design, unlike the 4 other designs. I understand that you guys are in the short hairs with this project, but I really feel that this design is leaps and bounds above the other ones. Either way I fully support whatever you decide.
This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Last edited by GUNS; 10-25-2011 at 08:13 PM.
This seems to be a great cohesive design the profile is awesome. I think with a little tweaking this would be an excellent choice. I would like to see a side exit exhaust on this like the 918 porsche. Also the front opening im not sure about. Its missing something.
I think it's a great design. Better than the other four IMHO.
I still like the Olmos design much more, but I like this better than the other 3. This nose is too large and it's too 'smooth' fro my taste. But I can see why others would like this.
The more I look at it the more I wonder if the angles just make the nose look large. If you look at the top view there isn't actually much in front of the wheels. It just rounds out towards the middle. I also think it doesn't help that the front quarter view looks like it was rendered with a wide angle lens, which is the same problem that the other four 1/4 scale model pictures suffer from.
Its a toy.
George; Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects
1977 Porsche 911 Targa, 2.7L CIS Silver/Black, owned since 2003
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up Truck 4x4 4.3L V6 Black with front and rear spoilers
1989 Scat II HP hovercraft with Cuyuna two stroke ULII-02, 35 hp with experimental skirt and sound control
This one is really nice. I llike much more than the other four.
I like this one better than the four winning designs..
Mel
Love this design! if it got made for me it would be Xabiers then this... LOVE THE SHAPE
I like the simple lines. It reminds me of the Lotus 211 that the 818 was supposed to emulate. The nose does need to be shortened and the shape reworked but this could be a winner.
I can do anything with enough time and money.
High MPG car, sure. But not a rocket ship. It doesn't hit me in the face. It doesn't scream FAST or SCARY.
Sure it's pretty. But it doesn't make me want to take it off of the shelf and play with it...
400WTQ WRX engine waiting for a new home...
It reminds me of:
Last edited by Flashburn; 10-26-2011 at 01:20 AM.
I agree this is a stunning design.
I have been following the 818 project for some months and sat down on Saturday in excitment for the great unveiling and to be honest was a bit disappointed. Don't get me wrong I would build any of the top 3 cars (particulary the Olmos). This however, would set my hair on fire.
Very nice design and functional to boot. The rear is sexy as hell and so is the side profile. I think the nose could benefit from some shrinking side to side. Looks a bit too bulbous to me? Other than that great design. Either Xabier's or this one make me drool.
For me I love this one, the beauty is in it's simplicity and clean lines.
Wasn't there 'politics' as to why this wasn't submitted?
EDIT: Yes, I think this might have something to do with it....
http://www.facebook.com/people/Shawn...one/1336038966
Last edited by Benji; 10-26-2011 at 06:50 AM.
No, I really mean it is a toy for children, an adult could not possibly fit in it. An adult dwarf maybe, but it would be tight.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...cpZZ8QQtppZZ20
George; Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects
1977 Porsche 911 Targa, 2.7L CIS Silver/Black, owned since 2003
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up Truck 4x4 4.3L V6 Black with front and rear spoilers
1989 Scat II HP hovercraft with Cuyuna two stroke ULII-02, 35 hp with experimental skirt and sound control
Kach, how tall is the GTM? Surely it's lower than 4'. At least it looks like it is. How about if the seat bracket were taken off and FF had two rails built onto the floor? That would gain about another 4". Not a huge number, but every bit helps.
http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/specs.html
Typically a race seat shell (padded) bolted to the floor, they can be made adjustable.Overall height 42.5”
http://www.gtmbuild.com/parts.htm
parts.3.jpg
http://www.priceofhistoys.com/page/46/These bracket allow you to install adjustable seat track brackets in your GTM allowing the seat to stay flat on the floor allowing for maximum headroom. They are made of 6061 Aluminum and CNC cut and tumbled for a nice satin finish. (seat tracks not included, but available from FFR or Jegs)
yellow-ffr-gtm-6.jpg
I'm just posting this information for arguments sake and to answer a question, I'm not proposing the 818 have GTM style seating. People who have tried resulted in having the back of the drivers head inside of the firewall, with the steel cross bars going through the seat. There is just too short of a wheelbase in the 818 for a GTM seating arrangement.
George; Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects
1977 Porsche 911 Targa, 2.7L CIS Silver/Black, owned since 2003
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up Truck 4x4 4.3L V6 Black with front and rear spoilers
1989 Scat II HP hovercraft with Cuyuna two stroke ULII-02, 35 hp with experimental skirt and sound control
No offense Kach. but maybe for the sake of HoF, changes to the template might have to be a consideration. ... move the gas tank, and since the motor is flat, lower the motor and gearbox to the centerline of the rear axle, and then shorten the gearbox to a realistic length ... and the radiator .... well use your imagination. To achieve HoF may require some wholesale changes is all I'm saying. There is alot of Hof in the design submissions ... flexibility is the key to implementation ... all aspects of the design should be considered
If at first you don't succeed ... get a bigger hammer.
In my honest opinion this should have been the winning design. Sleek, elegant, fast, modern. It looks like a real global car, not a US hotweels toy like some of the others.
Where the front fenders get pinched, giving it a "bulldog cheek" look, i don't quite care for. Beyond that, I adore it. There is zero denying that it was at least influenced by the 458 italia. The problem is the final car can't end up too close to that design or then Factory Five will have trouble putting it out as a fresh "original". I imagine with all their history in being the best of the best, they've learned a thing or two about copywriting. Pity, because the Italia is easily one of the sexiest cars ever built.
Last edited by onyx_riddle; 10-26-2011 at 09:42 AM.
I could be wrong, but I think the stock gas tank is being modified to sit tall, behind the seats. That is what I would do given the circumstances. The rest of your ideas could be given to working if enough money was thrown at them, again sweet and simple and reusing as much donor parts seems to be the goal here.
George; Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects
1977 Porsche 911 Targa, 2.7L CIS Silver/Black, owned since 2003
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up Truck 4x4 4.3L V6 Black with front and rear spoilers
1989 Scat II HP hovercraft with Cuyuna two stroke ULII-02, 35 hp with experimental skirt and sound control
So if you get rid of the oem seat rails, maybe move out the pedal assembly a little, I think it could work without the head being in the firewall. And I mean this for all entries, not just this one.
Last edited by 305mouse; 10-26-2011 at 09:31 AM.
05 Outback XT - DD
94 Integra GSR - Track Car
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03 Silverado 2500HD Duramax - Tow Rig
97 Integra GS - Future Track Car
I am very impressed with the Whetstone design, but if kach22i is correct, and you can't an 818 under it's skin, then it's irrelevant. It would be like buying your wife a super sexy neglige, but it's size 2 and your wife is size 10. Well, she's gonna be sleeping in sweat pants, and you going to be sleeping on the couch. If you want to bring up favorites, here are some of mine.
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This car is turning out to be awesome. I can't wait
Shawn's design was submitted and voted on, no politics as the voters never even met or talked to each other. Grassroots supplied the designs to the judges with only the renderings and judges name, no other background info. I remember it as I had voted for it as my second choice behind Xabier's design.
Jim Schenck
Factory Five Racing
Its OK...thats about it for me.
FFR Daytona Type 65 Coupe
67 427 Cobra
57' Belair
72 Pinto Wagon ,306" 1/4 miler
34 5 window coupe Ford
2003 Mustang GT
99' ZX9
85 Goldwing
All toys still in the Scuderia!
Every Saint has a past..................every sinner a future
Don't take yourself so seriously........no one else does.
You never see a motorcycle parked outside a Psychiatrists office.
lol , could call it the 370 italia,,, but really not as good as others
I think the message here to FF5 is that there is some positive consensus for the following attributes: defined high rounded fenders, Coke bottle waist, and short overhangs front and rear. To me, these trump vents ,louvers and other points of interest in car design. This approach was used by the D-type Jaguar to good effect and it was reasonably aerodynamic.
It looks like an 08 ecliipse with a redesigned nose.
FFR Daytona Type 65 Coupe
67 427 Cobra
57' Belair
72 Pinto Wagon ,306" 1/4 miler
34 5 window coupe Ford
2003 Mustang GT
99' ZX9
85 Goldwing
All toys still in the Scuderia!
Every Saint has a past..................every sinner a future
Don't take yourself so seriously........no one else does.
You never see a motorcycle parked outside a Psychiatrists office.
I wonder if this toy fits "THE TEMPLATE" ...
Last edited by slopoke; 10-26-2011 at 02:24 PM.
If at first you don't succeed ... get a bigger hammer.