The race is on - Namrups 65 Daytona Coupe build

[Namrups]

Continuing to prepare

Brought the drill press up from the basement.


Also added small shelving across the back wall.


The list of things to get ready and things to order is getting smaller. Now if I can just keep from adding to it!!

[Skuzzy]

The list never ends. You just have to accept that. I get worried when I feel like I do not need anything for the garage.

[Namrups]

The list never ends. You just have to accept that. I get worried when I feel like I do not need anything for the garage.

Ya I was afraid of that.

[Skuzzy]

Ya I was afraid of that.

Then again, I am of the mindset, "if it seem difficult to do, then you do not have the right tool." I gave up second guessing myself, on tools, a long time ago. If it makes the job easier, then I am buying it. I may not need again for 10 years, but I feel good knowing I am covered.

[Namrups]

Then again, I am of the mindset, "if it seem difficult to do, then you do not have the right tool." I gave up second guessing myself, on tools, a long time ago. If it makes the job easier, then I am buying it. I may not need again for 10 years, but I feel good knowing I am covered.

I am of a similar mindset. This will be my only build. I am not buying special tools to be used a second time. There won't be a second time for me. I'm buying to make the job of building this one the easiest and best I can do.

[Namrups]

More Parts

My friendly neighborhood delivery truck stopped today with a few items:

Moog Tie Rod Ends


Energy Suspension Tie Rod End Dust Boots


Howe Racing Ball Joints


Energy Suspension Ball Joint Dust Boots (in red!!)


Walbro Electric In Tank Fuel Pump

[Namrups]

POR15 first try

I have never used POR15 before. I had received my Moog tie rod ends so I figured I would try the POR15 on them to see how it works. I did all four step recommended. Step one Degreaser, step two Metal Prep, step three Base coat and step four Top Coat. My build plan is to paint the car Black with silver strips edged with a red stripe to match my Challenger. Where most paint suspension parts with black POR15 I am going to use Safety Red POR15. Safety Red is only available as a top coat so I decided to use the Gray as a base coat. I had thought about spraying the POR15 but figured I try these using a cheap throwaway paint brush. If it didn't look good enough I could always recoat it.

Tie rods as bought
They look greasy to me.


Tie rods after first step degreasing
Don't look much different.


Tie rods after second step metal prep
Now they look different. Dulled due to being etched for 10 mins.


Tie rods after step three first coat of gray base coat
I was surprised at how thin this material is. I was expecting a thicker fluid. Because it is as thin as it is it needs a second coat for good coverage.


Tie rods after step three second coat of gray base coat
Much better looking.


Tie rod ends after step four first coat of red top coat
Again was surprised at the thinness of this material. It is thicker than the base coat. Again it will need two coats.


As the photo below shows a second coat is needed.

[Namrups]

Tie rod ends after step four second coat of red top coat
Looking good!!


Summary: I am very pleased with the looks of this material. I am also very pleased that it does not have to be sprayed to look good even using cheap throwaway brushes. It's a lot of steps but well worth it. The rest of the suspension parts should really pop!

All responses welcomed.

[Skuzzy]

Both POR-15 and KBS Coatings products flow out really well. They do like to run if you are too generous with the application.

[Namrups]

Preparations Continue

Going over a couple of build threads for the NRG removable steering wheel mod I knew I was going to need some more items to be able to complete it when the time arrives. I have been documenting all of my purchases with part numbers and costs not only for my use and review but also for anyone else that is trying to find a part number or item cost. They are all in the "Special Tools, Custom Parts, misc supplies" album here: https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?&u=32036

I went to McMaster-Carr for all of the following:

18-8 Stainless Steel Hex Drive Flat Head Screws M5 x 0.8 mm thread 14 mm long
These will be used mount the steering wheel to the NRG unit. I chose the 18-8 stainless as it has good strength (~80,000 pounds tensile) and is corrosion resistant. If it had been an exterior application I would have goon with the 316 stainless. The A286 stainless has a much higher tensile strength (over 100,000 pounds) but I didn't feel it was required in this application. They come in a package of 50 so I will have a few extras.


4.2 mm Carbide-Tipped Drill Bit
I decided when I started to collect the tools I needed for this build that I would just buy the drills/taps/dies that I needed instead of buying sets that would have parts that I would never use. The 4.2 mm drill is used to drill the required hole for the M5 tap that is used with the M5 screws. I chose the carbide tipped drill as it is longer lasting than either the high speed or cobalt bits and is not as brittle as a full carbide bit.


M5 x 0.8 mm Thread Titanium Nitride Coated High-Speed Steel Plug Chamfered 7/8" thread length General Purpose Tap
Chose the titanium nitride coated tap as it longer lasting and should hold its edge better.


3" Long Sliding T-Handle Tap Wrench
Self explanatory.


Titanium Nitride Coated High-Speed Steel 90 degree 3 Fluted Countersink
The 90 degree countersink is for metric screws. I again went with the Titanium Nitride coated countersink for longevity. I went with 3 flutes as it will cut a smoother edge than a single flute.


The Titanium Nitride coated parts are a little more expensive than straight high-speed steel or cobalt but if I can get buy with paying a little extra but buying a part once I will take that chance.

[Namrups]

As long as I was on the McMaster site I also purchased two additional items:

Titanium Nitride Coated High-Speed Steel 82 degree 3 Fluted Countersink
The 82 degree countersink is for inch screws.


Titanium Nitride Coated High-Speed Steel 100 degree 3 Fluted Countersink
The 100 degree countersink is for rivets.

[Namrups]

Tried to order the Walbro fuel pump installation kit from Amazon. It never got shipped. Finally was able to cancel the order and reordered it from Walmart. Received today.

[Namrups]

I believe I need a windshield washer for the NY safety inspection. Ordered one from Walmart. Not planning on using it much so I didn't splurge on the price. Received it today. Opened the box to check it out. Looks like all the parts are there but no installation instructions! Hell, how hard can it be? Should be able to find a utube vid if I need one. Expecting more parts and pieces throughout the week.

[Bluemont]

Haven't had a chance to catch up on this site other than trying to quickly post a build update. Finally got to read some of the other threads some and this is a great one. I'm sorry to read about the craziness with insurance, etc. I've dealt with some of that with my family and it is really mind-boggling. But I'm really enjoying this thread. It is fun reading about the garage build leading up to the car build. I'll be back...

[Namrups]

Haven't had a chance to catch up on this site other than trying to quickly post a build update. Finally got to read some of the other threads some and this is a great one. I'm sorry to read about the craziness with insurance, etc. I've dealt with some of that with my family and it is really mind-boggling. But I'm really enjoying this thread. It is fun reading about the garage build leading up to the car build. I'll be back...

I had multiple goals when I started this thread. First was to join the "family" of owners/builders of Factory Five cars by introducing myself and explaining a little about myself and why I started down this path of building my dream car. Second was to document for myself just what is involved with this journey from start to finish. Third was to make it detailed enough for anyone else on this journey, no matter their ability, to follow along and understand/learn what it takes. Fourth was to make this build a wide open book for all of the experienced builders to follow along with and hopefully help keep me from going down too many rabbit holes. And lastly was to make it interesting enough to keep readers coming back for the next installment. I'm glad that you have enjoyed it!

[Jeff Kleiner]

I had multiple goals when I started this thread…

Please keep it up. Yours is an interesting story!

Jeff

[Namrups]

Please keep it up. Yours is an interesting story!

Jeff

Everyone's support means so much to me. Thanks Jeff!

Scott

[Skuzzy]

I am enjoying your build thread as well. After getting some negative comments in my build thread, before it really got started, I decided not to bother with it and just do my build book. When I get my personal web site up and running I will post a PDF of it.

You also figured out how to do inline pics. Something I just could not get to work. Kudos!

[Joel Hauser]

Hi Scott,
I'm pretty sure you don't need a windshield washer here in NY. I don't have one and I passed the inspection. As for wipers, I used a single, hand operated wiper (Sea-Dog 412601-1 Manual Windshield Wiper) which was fine for inspection purposes. It probably won't work on the coupe, unless you're willing to drill a hole through the glass . Here is the list of equipment required for passenger vehicles published by DMV. https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv529.pdf
Don't forget, you're welcome to borrow my engine hoist and stand when the time comes. Their just sitting in my basement, keeping the house from floating away.
Joel

[Namrups]

Hi Scott,
I'm pretty sure you don't need a windshield washer here in NY. I don't have one and I passed the inspection. As for wipers, I used a single, hand operated wiper (Sea-Dog 412601-1 Manual Windshield Wiper) which was fine for inspection purposes. It probably won't work on the coupe, unless you're willing to drill a hole through the glass . Here is the list of equipment required for passenger vehicles published by DMV. https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv529.pdf
Don't forget, you're welcome to borrow my engine hoist and stand when the time comes. Their just sitting in my basement, keeping the house from floating away.
Joel

Thanks for the DMV info. I will take you up on the hoist and stand when the time comes. My daughter still talks about her ride in your roadster. I really hope to finish mine before she graduates. I plan on teaching her how to drive it (as it will be hers in the not to distant future!) and would love to see the reaction when I pick her up from school and she gets in the drivers seat and drives away.

[Namrups]

I am enjoying your build thread as well. After getting some negative comments in my build thread, before it really got started, I decided not to bother with it and just do my build book. When I get my personal web site up and running I will post a PDF of it.

You also figured out how to do inline pics. Something I just could not get to work. Kudos!

Looking forward to your build book. It took me a few tries to figure out the pic thing.

[Namrups]

In conjunction with the last couple of posts, if anyone that is reading this thread has any suggestions on how I can improve it (more pics, less pics, more detail, less detail, etc.) please don't hesitate to make any comments.

[Namrups]

Fuel Pump & Hanger Assembly

I received the PRO-M High Flow Fuel Pump Hanger for 1986 - 1997 Mustangs.


This assembly is a duplicate of what Paul (EdwardB) used in his coupe build. Before I attempt to assemble these parts I do have a few questions.

I also purchased the separate installation kit which has duplicated some parts.


When I first saw the hanger I noticed the electrical wires already had slip on connections.


I thought "Great I don't have to splice wires!" WRONG! After taking a closer look I noticed the connections were not the same size. One was smaller than the other. When looking at the pump I could see the connections were the same size.


The first question I have is with the hose clamps. The hanger has two crimp style clamps where the installation kit has two screw style clamps. Is one better than the other in this application or is it a toss up?

[Namrups]

My last question is with the filters. Does anyone see a difference that would make one better than the other? The one on the left came with the hanger.

[Ltngdrvr]

The problem with the regular screw clamps is that they tear up the outer layer of the hose, can tear the reinforcing in the hose, weakening it.
Hose clamps for fuel injection hose are smooth, like those crimp clamps, but still use a screwdriver to tighten them.
Those are the best IMO. Most parts stores have them, Fuel Injection Hose Clamps.
Like this one...
smp-hk9329_xl.jpg

[Namrups]

The problem with the regular screw clamps is that they tear up the outer layer of the hose, can tear the reinforcing in the hose, weakening it.
Hose clamps for fuel injection hose are smooth, like those crimp clamps, but still use a screwdriver to tighten them.
Those are the best IMO. Most parts stores have them, Fuel Injection Hose Clamps.
Like this one...
smp-hk9329_xl.jpg

Thanks for the info. I will check them out.

[Namrups]

Also received today was an ABN Wheel Stud Installer. I know I could use hardened washers to do the same thing but I figured by the time I got dressed, paid for gas and for hardened washers I might be better off buying a "tool" that was made specifically for the job from my couch in my PJ's!

[Namrups]

The problem with the regular screw clamps is that they tear up the outer layer of the hose, can tear the reinforcing in the hose, weakening it.
Hose clamps for fuel injection hose are smooth, like those crimp clamps, but still use a screwdriver to tighten them.
Those are the best IMO. Most parts stores have them, Fuel Injection Hose Clamps.
Like this one...
smp-hk9329_xl.jpg

Picked these up at O'Reilly's today.

[Ltngdrvr]

Picked these up at O'Reilly's today.

Well, there you go, you're set for the proper hose clamps!

[Namrups]

Yes Sir! Thank you for your input. Really appreciated.

[Namrups]

Today I received the last item I recently ordered from Walmart. A MICUTU Terminal Removal Tool Kit.


I don't know if I will ever use it or not but for less than $15.00 I'd rather have it here ready to use than having to stop what I'm doing to order it or worse yet trying to do without and screwing something up.

[Namrups]

Tool Issue

Over the years I have accumulated a lot of general tools. Wrenches, screw drivers, sockets, saws, etc. My biggest problem is I can never find the tool I need, when I need it! I have never been good at returning my tools back to where they belong. This might be due to the fact that I have never had a location to keep my tools. When I started this journey I new that would have to change. I didn't want to be spending most of my time looking for the tool I needed instead of actually doing the work.

After the garage was completed and I started to organize the bench work/table I went around my whole house and collected my tools and brought them all out to the garage and laid them out on the table. This allowed me to see what tools I might have to purchase going forward.


Now that I had them collected I needed to do something with them. My thought was to purchase a rolling tool chest. A Snap-On chest was my dream but totally out of my price range. If I was young and would really use it for the next 30-40 years than maybe. At 69 I just need something to keep things organized for whatever time I have left. Having decided that, I saw that Harbor Freight had a sale on a rolling 9 drawer tool chest this weekend. This will suit my purpose perfectly. My neighbor and I picked this one up.


My initial thought was to fill it with my tools and to be able to roll it around to where ever I was working. The pro is it would keep my tools within easy reach at all times. The con is I feel that the chest could easily tip over if I got absent minded and opened too many drawers at a time. After discussing this with my buddy and as I will be working on this project by myself most of the time we both agreed that I need to put it in a spot and leave it there. I also decided to actually attach it to the wall so that it cannot tip even with all of the drawers open. I split the two benches I have and put the chest between them.


I then cut two small clips out of a piece of aluminum angle I had and attached the chest to the vertical garage members.


I also remembered I had a piece of peg board laying in the basement so I put that to good use also.

[Namrups]

I love it when a plan comes together!

[Skuzzy]

Nicely organized. Well done.

[rhk118]

I love it when a plan comes together!

Looks great Namrups...Queue the A-Team theme song. Clean setup!

[cgundermann]

Very nice, coming together!

Chris

[Namrups]

Skuzzy, rhk118, cgundermann, thanks for the encouragement! I really appreciate it.

[Blitzboy54]

In conjunction with the last couple of posts, if anyone that is reading this thread has any suggestions on how I can improve it (more pics, less pics, more detail, less detail, etc.) please don't hesitate to make any comments.

You do you. This is your thread and your build. The last thing you should worry about is what other people think. I like it, so far so good.


POR 15 when applied properly is amazing. It really pops. I love little accented details like that.

[Namrups]

Thanks Jesse. You need to stop by and check out the digs.

[Blitzboy54]

Thanks Jesse. You need to stop by and check out the digs.

I will definitely come check it out