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    "Thinking about an angled cover that I can put over the top of the panel in the event of moisture getting in or the MCs leaking so that it drains away but haven't fabricated anything yet."

    I was thinking about making something like that, too if I decide to keep my fuseblock in the standard location. I like GoDadGo's approach (Passenger-side), but I also have the heater box and haven't checked all the fitment issues yet. Then there's a small possibility to mount in a central location since I'm going to make a glovebox/cubby like John Ibele

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    I played around trying to make a cover over the fuse panel a couple builds ago. It's a busy place and gave up after I decided my solution likely wouldn't help if one of the MC's decided to leak. Getting it actually sealed wasn't successful and decided even deflecting would eventually find the fuse panel. Brake fluid is just plain evil... Maybe you're more creative (or patient) than me. Fortunately, multiple builds with the MC's above the fuse panel and no brake fluid leaks to date. Now water infiltration from the windshield posts hitting the fuse panel? I was a slow learner on that one. Two failed turn signal flashers later decided I needed to seal around the posts. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    I Now water infiltration from the windshield posts hitting the fuse panel? I was a slow learner on that one. Two failed turn signal flashers later decided I needed to seal around the posts. Problem solved.
    Thanks Paul. Didn’t think about that one. I’ll give it a go and see what evolves.
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    Too hot to work down there or what?!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgybulin View Post
    Too hot to work down there or what?!!
    I'm up to 2 clothes changes a day in the garage. When I get to 3, then I know I'm into the true Summer.
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    Fuel Lines

    I've had these run for a bit but just haven't updated. I still have the short feed line to filter to complete for fuel, but the long runs are done. I used 8AN hoses and fittings and found that all PTFE hoses are not created equal. The ones that I received from Hot Rod Hoses looked great, but they were extremely stiff and a bit harder to wield when navigating corners. I bought some from ANPlumbing.com and wow what a difference. They use the PTFE Pro Plus hoses from XRP, and they are super flexible. Bought them in the XM Monofilament so that they fit the blacked out look I'm going for. I used SS single and double Helix line clamps from Summit (HLT-12469 and HLI-12470). Pricey, but look great and well made. My lines were about 1.5" longer than I actually needed, so had to get creative but wasn't that big of a deal.

    Running from the regulator:


    Along the 4" tube:


    Up the Side:


    Up the Side:


    Filter and Return:
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    Rear Brake Lines

    Again, have had these done for some time. I like to use the pre-flared lengths from Advance Auto. They have the 3/16" Poly Armor that are steel lines with a protective coatings over them. Look great and easy to bend. One has to be creative when working with the fixed lengths as one miscalculation in length, and it's time for another $10 line.

    Rears:
    From the box:


    Down the box:


    Along the 4" Tube


    Up the frame:


    Across the Rear:
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    Front Brake Lines

    Again, used the 3/16" pre-made lines. The front is a little more challenging in this regard as there are more curves, but with a little planning, can be done. I won't be winning any awards, but I think it came out nicely and functional.

    From the box:


    Along the Frame:


    Around the Front:


    Along the X-Member:


    And to the End:
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    Carbon Fiber Dash

    Ah, one of my favorite parts, the carbon fiber dash. Another one mistake and shell out the $$$ activity! The drill press really earned its purchase price with the one. I was able to get every bit of the dash underneath when cutting with the 6 different sizes of hole saws. As others have said, the fine CF dust can get everywhere, including your lungs, so I did use a respirator and also cleaned up with my shop vac after each cut. Bought my drill press off Facebook marketplace for $150 new. What a deal!

    I bought custom gauges from Speedhut. I worked directly with one of their designers. The service is free and they are very patient to give you exactly what you want. After about 4 proofs, we were good to go. I'm going for a red/black Roush theme for the car, and Speedhut did not disappoint. I also went with oversized gauges instead of the standard FFR. That would be 4.5" gauges for the Speedo and Tach, as well as 2 5/8" gauges for the others. Shout out to Michael Craven (aka Hacksaw) for that idea.

    In order to get my holes right, I ordered some metal discs off of Etsy in the exact sizes of the gauges faces and had a 1/8" hole put into the middle of each disk. Covered the dash in blue tape, aligned the discs the way that I wanted them and dotted the mid-point. Used that as my starting point with the hole saws and came out great. I buffered out 3/4" from the top of the dash to give me plenty of room after the initial fitting to the hoop. The larger gauges need some planning.

    Not a lot of info out there yet for the CF dash, so winging it a little based on what I could find. When level, the dash is a little uneven to the hoop, especially on the far sides. I started by aligning the middle of the dash with the middle top of the hoop. The right side aligned about 3/16" under the tube, but the driver side was higher when the dash was level. I drew a line on the back of the dash where it exceeded the top of the hoop and measured 3/4" from that line which is where my gauges on that side started. Then I trimmed a little off the top right to level it out a bit. Came out nicely. Bottom of the dash was ~38.5" from the floor, side to side and the glove box butts up against the support, so can't go any further to the driver's side. That makes it really close to a vertical alignment with the trans tunnel. I think with every carbon fiber dash, there is a spot mid drivers side that doesn't align with the hoop like the rest of the dash. Seems to be the same for most everyone.

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    I also notched out a small area on the passenger side as it conflicted with the door hinge:



    Test fit the gauges and am loving the look! Still need to powder coat the key bezels and add the turn signal mod, which I decided to get from Frank at i.e.427. I will have to say that the ignition key bezel that I received from FFR was a bit disappointing. I upgraded with one from Ron Francis. Once the bezel is powder coated black, RF includes a colored trim ring, which in this case will be red. All in the details!

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    Roush 427R Engine

    Engine has been here for a couple of months and decided to de-crate it to save some room in the garage. My cherry picker legs could not get around the pallet, so had to sawzall the corners off to make some room. Engine is a beauty! I'll be powder coating the Roush logo'd area of the air cleaner and valve covers red. The valve covers are a two piece design, where the decorative areas unscrew from the valve cover, so I don't need to take the entire thing off when I send it out for PC. Very cool!









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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    I up to 2 clothes changes a day in the garage. When I get to 3, then I know I'm into the true Summer.
    "Sweating like a gypsy with a mortgage"
    Mk.4 FFR supplied Right hand drive
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    Intatrim Seats

    Seats did show up! Yay! But they had headrests.. Don't get me wrong, the headrests are a work of art, but they don't go with my build and one rollbar. So, reached out to Rob at Intatrim and he's making me a new set. Honest mix up and he's making it right.

    I do have these and am helping him sell, so if anyone is interested, just hit me up! They are really nice marine upholstery with Cobra logo in the headrests. Black and Red diamond stitching. First picture is of the seat and second/third of the actual headrests. All still in shrinkwrap in the box.







    All I've got for now. I do need to revise a couple of things. One, the brake lines at the front of the car need 90 degree fittings. I had already purchased these but forgot to put them in place and the tires will rub, so I'll need to install and re-bleed the front end. Speaking of which, I'm using this vacuum bleeder from Harbor Freight. Best $99 I've spent in a long time. 5 minute bleed on each corner with no mess. In case anyone is interested:

    https://www.harborfreight.com/pneuma...kit-57057.html

    I am also fitting my wheels and it turns out that the studs I had pressed in at the local machine shop, one of the hubs has a flaw and the stud is not completely straight. Wish I had known this before as I'm going to have to tear down the rear passenger side and pull the hub.
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    Those gauges are sick.
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    It’s funny you were just ahead of me the first time and now seem to be right about the same place the second time. I went with gloss black in the engine bay in my first one. I was pleasantly surprised how it held up. You know how hard a dark car is to keep clean. It obviously gets dusty but all the road grime blends in.

    Lookin good man. Between you and me your first car had more design influence on my build than any other I followed. Maybe by a lot.

    Your build is looking really clean so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzboy54 View Post
    It’s funny you were just ahead of me the first time and now seem to be right about the same place the second time. I went with gloss black in the engine bay in my first one. I was pleasantly surprised how it held up. You know how hard a dark car is to keep clean. It obviously gets dusty but all the road grime blends in.

    Lookin good man. Between you and me your first car had more design influence on my build than any other I followed. Maybe by a lot.

    Your build is looking really clean so far.
    Thanks man! I'm sure I've looked at your build thread many times as well. Trying to step this one up another notch. I thought about doing a hammered look but settled back on the gloss. Just have to be extra careful not to scratch it! Glad to see that you are venturing out again. I look forward to watching your build as well. I just have to get better at updating this thread.
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    Did you get to a final decsion on the power rack tie rods? I see someone else is asking about shorting the inners on a replacement they got from FF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    Completed the pedal box with no issues. I was going to use straight fittings instead of the 90 degree elbows with the MCs, but as I bent the brake lines, they seem to extend a bit far to the rear of the box and wasn't sure if I was going to have any clearance issues with the harness, as I like to run up the left side of the box instead of the right, so I went back to the 90 degree ones. The concern was rotating those around to the right position without overtightening. I think I'm good to go.

    I cut 5/8" off of the MC rods and they fit perfectly. I also cut 3 separate holes for into the front of the box for the hoses. Drilling through that plate is NOT a great time. I also scored some grommets from McMaster car that were suited for 1/4" material thickness. Trying to get the grommet between the plate and sheet metal is difficult when all buttoned up. These fit perfectly. I used part #9307K63. The larger orange grommets are the only ones I could find that were high temp. Seemed like the Mac Truck grommet I found last time has a temperature issue, as it was always gooey during the build after a run. I had to take one of these out as the harness has its own grommet.





    When I partially assembled the driver's foot box, I put the sound deadener in before hand. Last time I cut the patterns and put in after the fact, but its a small space, so makes it easier this way. I might have to go back and seal up a couple of spots when I do the 'light' test for heat leaks. I used the 80 mil Kil Mat this time around instead of the ThermoTec. It's a bit cheaper and also comes in smaller sheets so its easier to use for smaller panels and I don't seem to have as much waste. Function and material seems to be the same.

    I received my Russ Thompson pedal from TJ at Mountain Metalworks. He's done a great job carrying on Russ' legacy with these pieces. They are identical to his design and function. That will be hooked up to Forte's throttle assembly once installed. Can't recall why I have those big washers under the cap screws that hold the pedal box, but I'll be replacing that hardware.



    While I was at it, I also completed the passenger side footbox. I buttoned this up with black oversized headed rivets and more Kil Mat. I tucked all of my joining tabs inside the box for a smooth look top to bottom. Came out really nice.

    You'll also notice the Aeromotive X1 Series fuel regulator (13304) that I installed for my carb'd setup. Very versatile if I want to swap out to FI later. What a top-quality piece! I also added the Marshal Instruments Fuel Pressure Gauge as it was the only one I could find in black. You can find that here:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



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    Loving the build so far!! I have a quick question, as far as the sound deadening is concerned, are you only using the Killmat for this build or do you plan on using an additional layer of another material for the footboxes? I am concerned about the heat transfer from the exhaust headers and would like to use one material if possible. It seems that the Killmat is a sound deadening material, but it does offer some heat protection as it seems very similar to other products used by other builders like Fatmat and other similar butyl rubber products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jespinosa View Post
    Loving the build so far!! I have a quick question, as far as the sound deadening is concerned, are you only using the Killmat for this build or do you plan on using an additional layer of another material for the footboxes? I am concerned about the heat transfer from the exhaust headers and would like to use one material if possible. It seems that the Killmat is a sound deadening material, but it does offer some heat protection as it seems very similar to other products used by other builders like Fatmat and other similar butyl rubber products.
    I used two different materials on the footboxes on my last build. I'm not sure how much the extra layer actually provided, but my footboxes were never hot. Others haven't used anything other than sound deadening with no crazy temps. What did get hot was the lower area by the driver's side door from the side pipes. I've insulated this build in that area with this stuff:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I've cut some for the front of the footboxes but haven't decided if I'm going to use or not. The gloss black is too pretty to cover up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    Seats did show up! Yay! But they had headrests.. Don't get me wrong, the headrests are a work of art, but they don't go with my build and one rollbar. So, reached out to Rob at Intatrim and he's making me a new set. Honest mix up and he's making it right.

    I do have these and am helping him sell, so if anyone is interested, just hit me up! They are really nice marine upholstery with Cobra logo in the headrests. Black and Red diamond stitching. First picture is of the seat and second/third of the actual headrests. All still in shrinkwrap in the box.







    All I've got for now. I do need to revise a couple of things. One, the brake lines at the front of the car need 90 degree fittings. I had already purchased these but forgot to put them in place and the tires will rub, so I'll need to install and re-bleed the front end. Speaking of which, I'm using this vacuum bleeder from Harbor Freight. Best $99 I've spent in a long time. 5 minute bleed on each corner with no mess. In case anyone is interested:

    https://www.harborfreight.com/pneuma...kit-57057.html

    I am also fitting my wheels and it turns out that the studs I had pressed in at the local machine shop, one of the hubs has a flaw and the stud is not completely straight. Wish I had known this before as I'm going to have to tear down the rear passenger side and pull the hub.
    Tried to pm you but your box is full…

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    Quote Originally Posted by danmas View Post
    Tried to pm you but your box is full…

    Seats still available?
    I cleared it out. Thanks for the heads up. Seats were sold.
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    Build is really looking good so far.. The gloss black panels are sharp....

    Mk4 20th Anniversary #8690 (#8 of 20) Purchased 8/18/18----Build Started 8/19/18
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAsp427 View Post
    Build is really looking good so far.. The gloss black panels are sharp....
    Thanks Carl. Hope all is well Bud!
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    Fuel Line Routing - Take 2

    Ok, so I haven't posted in a while, but lots going on. Good news is that its starting to cool off a bit and I can spend more time in the garage. Although a Mr. Cool garage mini split wall unit has been looking good lately. Not sure if anyone has put one of these in, but I always say I'm going to put one in, procrastinate, then the heat goes away and I forget about it until I'm sweating bullets the next summer. Rinse and Repeat! Thinking of something like this:



    In the meantime, lots to report, but not as much as I'd like. First off, I had to redo my fuel lines. Wasn't happy about that at all. I had to change out the black monofilament to the stainless for durability. Wish they had mentioned that during the initial purchase, but live and learn. On the positive side, the second routing I think was a lot tighter as I was able to reduce the length by 2" and looks a little better overall.

    I did learn that the stainless steel helix clamps need to be widened a bit in the vice before installing or they squeeze the tubing too tightly. I mixed and matched the singles and doubles for the best look throughout the length to get it straight. No one will ever see it, but didn't want any slop, especially with respect to road debris, etc.











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    Brake Bleeding

    Once done here I circled back and bled my brakes. I used two bleeders. For the main bleed I used the Harbor Freight Pneumatic bleeder. Hooked it up to my pancake air compressor and I literally did each side in about 5 minutes. I have the Wilwood brakes, which makes bleeding a BREEZE compared to the old mustang brakes on the last build. Banjo fittings are for the birds! Just hold the rubber nipple of the bleeder on the bleeder fitting, open the bleeder valve on the tank for suction, open the bleeder screw 1/4 turn and BAM, you are in business. Lots of reviews say that air gets in at the fitting and causes a lot of bubbles, which is true, but it's still bleeding the system. Just close the bleeder screw before you close the valve on the tank so it keeps sucking. When you do this it sucks any remaining brake fluid around the fitting and makes for a very clean, drip free exercise. I did not use the autofill tank. Just have to refill the reservoir after each wheel. Here's the unit:

    https://www.harborfreight.com/pneuma...kit-57057.html

    I then came back and double checked my work with a simple one-man bleeder from Autozone to ensure that there were no bubbles in the line. Rock Hard pedal every time and zero leaks. Nice!!

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    Charcoal Filter

    I debated whether to put a charcoal filter on but decided to go for it. I didn't use the PVC route this time but used an 8AN fuel filter Kit with nipple. Simply unscrew the end, cut some scotch brite pads up and place at the bottom inlet to keep the charcoal in place and ventilate. Fill with charcoal and replace the top. I bought an 8AN nipple for the top hose and it even came with a mounting bracket. I did place on the driver's side of the car in the rear as the passenger side is just too congested with the fuel and brake line hangers. Here's the cannister, fitting and charcoal I used:

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    It's a thing of beauty that no one will see. The clamp on this makes it really easy to remove if the need arises in the future. It really wasn't far off in price from the PVC version. Vent tubing runs along the backside of the tank to the Big Bore fitting. I'll secure it with clamps after I install the drop trunk for the final time.







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    Wilwood Brake Bias Adjuster

    Swung back to the brakes for a second and installed the Wilwood brake bias controller. I didn't have this the last time around, and wasn't sure how much it would get used, but thought it was a cool feature when trying to adjust the braking bias the first time out. I never felt that the brakes on my last build were 100%. Good enough, but not perfect. I think it was due to the brake bias that was kind of a pain to adjust after the fact.

    Anyhow, made a custom template out of cardboard, cut out of scrap metal and then it perfectly placed right underneath the master cylinders/mechanical linkage. Definitely a fitment that you have to fiddle with to ensure that there is no interference anywhere, but worth the add I think. Works like it should. Everything is tapped or rivnut. I'm trying to stay away from rivets where I can to keep everything accessible. I normally would have looped my rear brake line coming out of the MC, but glad I didn't or this would have been a little harder to accommodate.

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    Bell, Clutch and Fly

    I've been trying to get to the engine and trans, but I've been routing a lot of time to other things. The first thing up was the flywheel and backplate. Roush has a universal plate on their engines that wasn't up to snuff for the Quicktime bellhousing, so had to swap it out. Roush was telling me that any other backplate might interfere with the oil pan lip. Took off the flywheel, slapped it on and no interference. YAY! You can see the differences and clearance below:

    No block plate (Roush 427R)


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    Oil Pan Lip Clearance (About 3/16")


    Dowel pins were installed using Green 620 loctite in the holes and a brass hammer to avoid any mushrooming. They went in without much effort but they do need a good whacking. Hard to source a brass hammer anywhere these days, even at the big box stores, so ordered from Amazon. Had it here in a day. Here's the hammer that I used:

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    Flywheel went on using ARP Flywheel Bolts. Nothing but the best! I used ARP 200-2802 PRO series. These babies torque up to 85 ft/lbs with ARP's Ultralube under the bolt head and used blue loctite on the threads, just as they instruct. ARP informed me that the HP 100-2801 series that I used last time have been discontinued, and the Pro series is all that will be produced. There's a 10 ft/lb torque difference between the two, so make sure you have the right ones as Summit is sending out 200-2802 series bolts with a 100-2801 sticker. Not sure why they are doing that. Flywheel is the McLeod steel 463100. If you look closely at the pic, you'll also see the OTC flywheel stop that I used to keep it from turning while torquing down the bolts. Simple but really effective vs. a screwdriver or something like that. I always try to use the right tool for the job. You can get that here:

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    Next up was aligning the QT bellhousing. This was a real PITA and not something I really want to do again. I have to take the blame (LOL) as I got my dial indicator from Harbor Freight. That was OK when I just had the stock aluminum bell that you really can't adjust, but not with the QT. I didn't want to spend a ton of money, but after quite a bit of frustration with very random readings time after time, I ponied up for the Noga DG1033 base with Mitutoyo 24165 dial indicator. WOW, what a difference. The base alone was incredibly stable and rotated much easier than the HF junk. Do yourself a favor and don't do what I did. You can find them here:

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    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Anyhow, finally produced some very repeatable readings and my QT bell was just outside of the .005 tolerance. So now it was time to get some offset dowels. Before install, I needed to take the old ones out. That's not a fun job even when I had access to the back of the pin. I tried tapping it out from the rear, pulling with plyers and a host of other creative methods, and none of them worked. There is a tool for everything, and I found a dowel pin puller., the Cal Van Tools, Model #95400. After the tool was setup, I had each dowel out in about 2 minutes with zero collateral damage. You can find it here:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Afterwards, I bought the RobbMC .007 offset dowel kit (Item #1014) right from his website. High quality pieces. I coated with Green 620 Loctite (made for cylinders), installed them at the correct angle (which happened to be between 25-26 degrees), and tightened down the set screw to 50 in/lbs. I highly recommend allowing the green Loctite to cure before reinstalling the bellhousing. If the dowels move you may have to start all over again BUT can avoid that if you record the angle of your dowels when you first set them in place with an angle finder. With offset dowels in place, we got to a very happy place with readings. Repeated 3 times and moved on. Don't forget a very thin coat of grease on the dowels or they will surface rust.



    Lots of clutches to choose from and I selected the CenterForce Dual Friction 10.5" Clutch Kit #DF161830. I had a CenterForce the last time and loved it. This model will give you performance up to 600 ft/lbs of torque while having good street manners. Perfect for my setup. Used ARP bolts once again, ARP #150-2202. These 8mm pressure plate bolts come with washers, so I did the same as with the flywheel bolts. ARP Ultra lube under the bolt head and washer with blue Loctite on the threads. Torque to 25 ft/lbs as per ARP instructions.

    I don't recommend the plastic clutch disc alignment tool. I already had the RAM billet steel version 03-048 but used the plastic one when I knew better. Clutch disc was not aligned correctly with the plastic tool even as I held the disc up a bit while tightening the screws. I pulled it off and used the RAM alignment tool and it was perfect. Didn't have to hold or monitor anything. It's $50 of peace of mind as the trans is already a bit of a struggle to insert, so why make it more complicated? Final product is right on the money.

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    Great update! I guess you have been busy! I will be down in a few weeks and be by to lay eyes on this beast if we can work it out. Keep on thrashing!
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    Awesome updates. Looks really good.

    I figured the heat was slowing you down. I did in fact put a mini split kit in my house like you showed (4 units). My house has radiators and no ducts so it was the only real option. I can say with confidence if you can build one of these mini splits are a piece of cake.

    Build looks amazing and I am 100% going to steal you charcoal can idea.
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    Slippery Pete!

    The QT bellhousing uses an adjustable pivot ball. Mike Forte agreed that he prefers the fixed pivot ball over the adjustable, and so do I, so he sent one out and it arrived today! Look at that beast! For the price one pays for a QT Bellhousing, they need to get with the program! Based on some other posts and where many of the adjustable pivot balls landed in terms of height, from the bottom of the bolt head to the bottom of the adjustable nut it was 1.293". I haven't tested this yet, but ironically, what Mike sent to me after doing his calculations it was just about identical with the added locking washer he included. Mike knows his stuff! The real difference is the thread engagement of the bolts, which is much greater on the fixed bolt. Anxious to get it all hooked up this weekend.



    While I was thinking about the trans, and getting this puppy on the ground soon for the engine install, I almost forgot to fill the rear differential. Again, the forum provides and I got the good stuff. Motorcraft SAE 75W-85 with the XL3 Friction Modifier. My IRS was new from FFR and was filled maybe 2/3'rds of the way with fluid. I drained that and used 2 full quarts of product and was able to feel it at the top of the fill hole. I also used the Slippery Pete Quart sized fluid pump. Not a drop spilled and works in those awkward angles like the IRS fill hole.

    I did make the mistake of cleaning out my Slipper Pete pump in the kitchen sink. The wife and kids came in and literally started gagging. I had no idea that smell would stay in the sink that long. LOL. Here's a couple of pics and you can buy the Slipper Pete pump here:

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    Forte Throttle Linkage

    You say you want a buttery smooth throttle experience? No build is complete without Mike Forte's mechanical throttle linkage. I had one in the last build and added one this time too. Some say the cost is prohibitive but there really aren't too many mods more effective than this one. Although I have the thicker firewall from FFMetals, I still installed the linkage into the upper half of the 2" tubing. I know some want the measurements of the brackets. Measured from the inner wall of the footbox, the first bracket was drilled at 1-5/8" and the second furthest one out drilled at 9-1/2". Mileage will vary here depending on your setup and where you drill your harness holes but should give someone a good point of reference.

    Drilling the holes in the side of the footbox is a little challenging as it's on an angle, but if you have the brackets in place first then insert your rod and mark, it should make things easier. I finished the hole off with a rubber grommet. You just have to be sure that the rod can spin freely with zero friction and be certain that the arms don't hit on the inside of the footbox cover or any of the cables coming through the firewall. Once the engine is in, I'll pin the arms, secure the cables coming through the firewall a little better and finish up the linkage inside the box.

    Those two red cylinders in the pic are my USB ports which are right next to the cutoff switch in the cockpit.



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    Footbox and Floor Insulation

    I extended the Kill Mat into the floorboards and tunnel, but because my dash 'workstation' is sitting on top of that, I don't have any pics right now. However, I did remember that the one place I used to get heat from in the last build was right at the door where the side pipes ran. The heat didn't blow in, but the radiant heat was certainly noticeable on hot days. I decided to insulate that part of the door on both sides. I used a 10 mil black tunnel heat shielding from Design Engineering. It's rated to 1,750 degrees. I may put some on the front of my footboxes but haven't decided yet. It's pretty stout but cuts fairly easily. I bought it here:

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    Engine Bay Electrical

    Well, I've gotten into the middle of wiring and I'm adding so many additional buttons and what not, it really takes some time to figure out what I'm doing. Thanks to everyone on the forum for looking at my diagrams and ensuring my car isn't a dumpster fire one day.

    Engine bay was first and the 4-post cutoff switch was new territory for me. Again, something I'll use as somewhat of a theft deterrent, but in fairness, it looks cool too. I bought the Joe's Racing version:

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/joe-46216

    I probably should have just gone with the 2-post, but it was already here so hooked it up. Again, with the help of the forum I was able to get this all sorted out. Diagram explains everything but the cable going down the driver side with mega fuse is the amplifier from the trunk area. I have it running straight to the battery instead of the distribution block. The water temp, oil temp and oil pressure gauge wires are also running down that stretch and pop out where I'll have plenty of slack to hook up once the engine is in. I didn't use any of the harness connections for these with the new Speedhut gauges. Everything is still loose and not completely locked down. I'll do that once I've got my proper lengths cut on the starter/battery/alternator wiring and additional terminals made and booted. Engine mounts are just hanging for now. I thought it came out pretty clean. Here's the diagram and pics. Hopefully it helps someone else.











    Speaking of engine mounts, if you have a DART block and the mounts run interference with the webbing on the block, if you don't want to grind your mounts or block, Mike Forte to the rescue. For a very reasonable charge, Mike will cut these and reweld them so that the fit right up to the block. He did this for me on the last build as well.

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    Dash Electrical

    I started out with the dash in the house to wire up the gauges. That went pretty smooth. The new Speedhut gauges no longer use the daisy chain method, but they still hook all in sequence to three main WAGO connectors supplied by Russ Francis and terminate into the pigtail harness. Once completed there I had to move the operation out to the super cool garage to finish up with some permanent connections. Made a makeshift box workbench inside the car and went to work.

    I'm using the buttons from Billet Automotive out of Australia. Super nice buttons in black aluminum with LED halos of your color choice. Nelson the owner is very responsive, and orders are sent within a week to the states. They do add some complexity to the dash in terms of wiring when compared to what FFR supplies, so took me some time to figure it all out. It's actually quite simple once you get rolling. Here are some wiring diagrams for what I'm assembling.









    And here's my current wiring situation. Permaseal Connectors...There is no substitute. We'll get there.



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    I used the billet buttons, they are very nice pieces. You can order them without the pigtails, they'll send you the connectors loose so you don't end up splicing a bunch of wires.

    Here's a tip if you're using these, wire the switch lights to be on all the time. I have pushbuttons for my headlights and high beams and it's nice to be able to easily see it when it's dark to turn the headlights on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Bray View Post
    I used the billet buttons, they are very nice pieces. You can order them without the pigtails, they'll send you the connectors loose so you don't end up splicing a bunch of wires.

    Here's a tip if you're using these, wire the switch lights to be on all the time. I have pushbuttons for my headlights and high beams and it's nice to be able to easily see it when it's dark to turn the headlights on.
    Thanks Mike. I opted for the pigtails. I think the only two wires I don't use are the two middle white ones, except for the start switch. I was deciding which way to run the LED. My lights will be a pull switch and the high beams will be on the column (ie 427 turn signal). I'm running billet buttons for start, fan, hazards, auxiliary and cockpit lighting. Would look cool at night when illuminated and wouldn't eat up space on the IGN/ACC switch connector. I think I will just run all to my distribution block. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    Thanks Mike. I opted for the pigtails. I think the only two wires I don't use are the two middle white ones, except for the start switch. I was deciding which way to run the LED. My lights will be a pull switch and the high beams will be on the column (ie 427 turn signal). I'm running billet buttons for start, fan, hazards, auxiliary and cockpit lighting. Would look cool at night when illuminated and wouldn't eat up space on the IGN/ACC switch connector. I think I will just run all to my distribution block. Thanks!
    What are you doing for the horn? I ended up using the button on my RT turn signal and I'm glad I did.

    I can attest the Billet Buttons look very cool lit up at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Bray View Post
    What are you doing for the horn? I ended up using the button on my RT turn signal and I'm glad I did.

    I can attest the Billet Buttons look very cool lit up at night.
    On the ie. 427 turn signal Frank has it wired where you just pull back on the turn signal stalk for the horn. Pretty cool setup and easy to grab similar to the RT version. I had the dash button for a horn on the last build and it was useless as I never could find it in time when I needed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2065 View Post
    On the ie. 427 turn signal Frank has it wired where you just pull back on the turn signal stalk for the horn. Pretty cool setup and easy to grab similar to the RT version. I had the dash button for a horn on the last build and it was useless as I never could find it in time when I needed it.
    I’m going with Franks setup as well. Really excited about it. Used buttons on my last build. Really glad to have a stalk this time.
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    Bellhousing Install

    I fitted and installed the bellhousing with the TOB and fork tonight. I've got hurricane Milton knocking on the garage door all night, but makes for cool working in the garage!

    Mike Forte sent me a 2" pivot ball with lock washer and thick washer. I initially used the lock washer and only had about 1/2" of clearance from the fork to the lip of the bellhousing. I sent Mike a note and he said that it looked OK, but could probably do better, so I removed the bell, removed the lock washer and reinstalled. Now I have 3/4" of space between the fork and lip of the bellhousing when the TOB is just touching the fingers of the PP. Might get a fraction more once I button it all up. I think it's pretty much right where it needs to be unless someone sees otherwise. In fact, I looked back on an old thread from Karlos back in 2015. He had a similar setup to mine. Ironically, Karlos measured his adjustable pivot ball length threads and its exactly the same as I have in the fixed pivot ball at 1.293". the fork is also parallel and just slightly angled towards the trans as shown in the Centerforce diagram. If anyone has a 351W, the 2" pivot ball from Forte might just do the trick and take the guessing out of it.

    By the way, every time you pull the BH off, you risk moving your dowel pins. I coated the pins and mounting holes lightly with grease and it went on and came off easily each time.



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