Orlando FL registration

[bartock]

If anyone has done a recent registration in FL please feel free to chime in. I have read the many threads and the changes from replica to assembled from parts back to replica. I went to the DMV, and everything was going smoothly...until it wasnt. They agreed that the replica title was appropriate but wanted everything on the forms to match the certificate of origin. When trying to input the make and model, they were able to find factory five for the make but couldnt select the model. A support ticket was submitted to the state but they said it could take a few hours to a few days to resolve. I did not know if anyone else was successful lately with this and if so what did the dmv put in the fields?

Cant wait to drive legally!

[bartock]

Here is an update on my epic DMV journey so far.
DMV 1: Told me to leave and come back once I get an odometer statement on the back of the COO. Insisted I didnt need one since it there was no engine or odometer and since its a 1965 can be exempt. Refused to let me talk to a supervisor and insisted I leave.

DMV2: Spent 2 hours waiting, one of which was waiting on confirmation from Tallahassee that I could register as a replica, which they did! Factory Five showed up in their drop down but then they couldnt find the model, then said their computer went down and would probably take a while and best to make another appointment. At least I got confirmation the main office said Replica was good to go. First available time I could get back was in a week.

DMV3: Co located with the FL NHTSB field office that handles assembled from parts. Clerk refused to even let me start explaining, took my paperwork back to the field office and told me to go there. They said had to be ASPT as they cant do replicas. I said I was aware and why I went to the DMV outside. They agreed should be a replica and meets the requirements. The DMV clerk said "wasnt comfortable doing that" and didnt try.

Will try a 3rd party tag office tomorrow and if that fails I will go back to DMV2 that was actually helpful. If all that fails I will go the ASPT route.

I feel at this point the clerks at the dmv just dont want to do anything they aren't familiar with and instead of helping just push it off to someone else. The next available ASPT inspection is Feb 11th so hopefully I will get someone who will actually try instead of just refusing.

May the odds be in your favor with the FL DMV!

[Mike.Bray]

Here's a thought, look for an attorney that handles lost and bonded titles. They're out there, I used one here in Texas to handle my paperwork for me. These people are used to dealing with the DMV and usually know a lot of people there. Might be able to help get it over the edge.

[bartock]

Thanks I may end up trying that. I am just a bit baffled that people working in an essential service department can just refuse to help because they dont want to. smh

[Kbl7td]

They still don’t have the coupe on here. Cobra yes. Maybe you can show them this…

https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/manuf.../details/21481

[bartock]

I did. Brought the TL 48, sunbiz and that along with everything else. The 3rd dmv location wouldnt even let me start explaining what I was trying to do and sent me back to the office that handles assembled from parts. I showed them my stuff and they said I was right and to go back out to the main dmv. The same lady sent me packing without being able to explain anything. The gist I got from the FLHTSB was "we work in the same building but cant make them do their jobs" Said if they dont do it then come back in Feb for an inspection and they could handle the TL41 process for aspt. The Orange County dmv workers are borderline hostile.

[cv2065]

The Orange County dmv workers are borderline hostile.

LOL. Which location did you go to that entertained the 'replica' title. I originally went to the West Colonial branch.

[bartock]

Lee Vista. After an hr call with Tallahassee they agreed to do as replica but then they couldn't find the model in the drop down and said their computer crashed. Clarcona has the fl regional field office and they pretty much wouldn't even look at it.

[MB750]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://1dollarmontana.com/

[bartock]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://1dollarmontana.com/

what was the turn around time on that? and how did they title it, as from parts or replica? The next orange county inspection isnt until Feb 11th so I am waiting either way probably.

[bartock]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office. The clerk wasnt sure how to proceed, but with the printed out TL-48 he actually read it! The other clerks at the dmv pretty much ignored it. Between him and his supervisor making sure everything was in order they processed it at a Replica Titled 1965 Cobra. It took about 30 minutes for them to figure it all out, but I walked away with an antique plate and registration.

Hopefully this helps anyone in the Orlando area. Now that the have done mine it shouldnt be hard for them to do again.

[bartock]

Oh and if anyone needs to know, OATA will handle other counties, not just Orange county. They just cant give you a printed title right there if out of county, but will do an electronic title that you can request printed from the dmv later.

[MB750]

what was the turn around time on that? and how did they title it, as from parts or replica? The next orange county inspection isnt until Feb 11th so I am waiting either way probably.

Titled as a 1965 Factory Five Racing Roadster. Took about 5 weeks, but mostly because I dragged my feet on two of them.

I tried the 3rd party thing here and drew nothing but questions. I'm curious what does the "Make/Manufacturer" say on your title?

[bartock]

mine says 1965/COBR and body says RD. I asked why the letters were cut off but they said the form limits to 4 letters. They went off the NHTSB replica info that it was a 1965 Cobra Replica. I had the thought that the make should say Factory Five, but they put that info into internal comments on the title application. On the title it does have the field filled in that says Brands: FL-Replica. They went with the 950lbs on the MCO and after they said the system accepted everything and went to get my antique plate I wasnt about to bring up the 2250lbs listed on the data sheet. I checked a few mins ago and everything is in the FL DMV database for registration and tag renewal.

Everytime I went into a place and said Title for a Replica Car their eyes glazed over. I would present the TL48 and title application that shows you can check the box for replica. I still feel I got lucky that they were willing to give it a try. As long as they can put the info in the right boxes and it goes through it doesnt seem like it should be a problem. It is a shame that a lot of places just dont try and send you on your way.

[cv2065]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office. The clerk wasnt sure how to proceed, but with the printed out TL-48 he actually read it! The other clerks at the dmv pretty much ignored it. Between him and his supervisor making sure everything was in order they processed it at a Replica Titled 1965 Cobra. It took about 30 minutes for them to figure it all out, but I walked away with an antique plate and registration.

Hopefully this helps anyone in the Orlando area. Now that the have done mine it shouldnt be hard for them to do again.

That's awesome! Way to go!! I'll be heading to OATA!

[runamuk]

Oh and if anyone needs to know, OATA will handle other counties, not just Orange county. They just cant give you a printed title right there if out of county, but will do an electronic title that you can request printed from the dmv later.

Do you have a phone number for them?

[MB750]

. It is a shame that a lot of places just dont try and send you on your way.

That was my experience wherever I tried. Also, that seems to be the M.O. for many things down here in FL, especially related to Gov't related matters.

[mburger]

When it is time I'll be heading there myself. It'll be worth the drive to that office to have it electronically created. I would make the drive there from SW Florida mainly because that Office has done it thanks to you!

[maclonchas]

Very interesting on Bartok approach

[bartock]

https://oata.com/ (407) 574-5485
There was a guy from another county in when i was there and they processed his stuff just said they cant print his title.

For mburger, check out https://leetc.com/ first

FL allows 3rd party tag agencies to do most DMV functions. There are the normal tax collector/dmv offices and most counties have the tag agencies. Bring the TL48 with you. If that fails OATA should be able to do it but I would call first to make sure they will do yours out of county.

[cv2065]

Did they require a running car or you can register whenever?

[bartock]

Going with the TL48 procedure for a replica, they dont need to see the car or have it running. As long as you have the certificate of origin you can get the title. Once its running and you have insurance you can get the registration but there is no inspection or any safety checks with a tl48. I got my insurance from haggarty and gave them the serial number as the vin. I think having that done already helped the process. If the dmv assigns a different vin if they force an assembled from parts route, you have to get the insurance changed.

[MB750]

Going with the TL48 procedure for a replica, they dont need to see the car or have it running. As long as you have the certificate of origin you can get the title. Once its running and you have insurance you can get the registration but there is no inspection or any safety checks with a tl48. I got my insurance from haggarty and gave them the serial number as the vin. I think having that done already helped the process. If the dmv assigns a different vin if they force an assembled from parts route, you have to get the insurance changed.

That's exactly what I tried to do at first, but I didn't try any of those 3rd party DMV places.

In my opinion, these cars are much more Replicas than "Assembled from Parts".

[bartock]

I can see how places would want to say assembled from parts though. The certificate says kit on it, and so does the invoice. I wouldnt have been opposed to doing assembled if they would ensure that ASPT wasnt going on the title as the make. Since factory five spent so much time going through the FL DMV hoops to get these as a replica though I wanted to go the replica route. After the 2nd dmv called Tallahassee and they told them to register as a replica I was even more set on it.

[MB750]

If the second DMV was going to register it as a replica, why did you go to the 3rd party place?

I also wonder if me raising Cane about it made any difference

[mburger]

Both Henry (65 CobraDude) working with Dave Smith spent a lot of time getting it at least to this point. Much appreciation to both of them for their efforts and as is common, much of it is quietly happening behind the scenes.
I personally was never a fan of people fighting to get their cars titled as a 65 Cobra. It's not a 65 Cobra, it is a replica. It always was and always should be. I completely understand why someone would want their title and registration showing as a 1965 vehicle but unless someone has a Time Machine it'll always be a replica and I'm good with that.
I am going to start working on my TL48 form just to get ahead of it.

[bartock]

If the second DMV was going to register it as a replica, why did you go to the 3rd party place?

I also wonder if me raising Cane about it made any difference

I had already been there 2 hours and partway through their system went down. After 20 mins they told me just to make another appointment and come back. But first available appointment wasnt for another week and a half. So I went to DMV 3 and next day to the tag agency, rather than waiting.

[bartock]

Both Henry (65 CobraDude) working with Dave Smith spent a lot of time getting it at least to this point. Much appreciation to both of them for their efforts and as is common, much of it is quietly happening behind the scenes.
I personally was never a fan of people fighting to get their cars titled as a 65 Cobra. It's not a 65 Cobra, it is a replica. It always was and always should be. I completely understand why someone would want their title and registration showing as a 1965 vehicle but unless someone has a Time Machine it'll always be a replica and I'm good with that.
I am going to start working on my TL48 form just to get ahead of it.

I wanted to push for replica mainly because as you mentioned Henry and Dave have been fighting for it. The title is branded as replica and I am happy with that. I just didnt want to have a 2025 ASPT generic title that didnt reflect what the car was a replica of especially when the TL48 procedure for the mk4 was given a green light by the state. It just seems to me the people at the tax collector offices dont know and dont care. If it takes them more than 10 seconds to think about it they give up.

[mburger]

I wanted to push for replica mainly because as you mentioned Henry and Dave have been fighting for it. The title is branded as replica and I am happy with that. I just didnt want to have a 2025 ASPT generic title that didnt reflect what the car was a replica of especially when the TL48 procedure for the mk4 was given a green light by the state. It just seems to me the people at the tax collector offices dont know and dont care. If it takes them more than 10 seconds to think about it they give up.

Agree 100%

[Cutter 54]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office.


Your words from recent post. What does OATA stand for? What do they charge? Did you have to have the car inspected?
Thanks in advance. I am waiting for an inspection in March in Lake County to register my roadster as ASPT. What an ordeal.

[bartock]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office.


Your words from recent post. What does OATA stand for? What do they charge? Did you have to have the car inspected?
Thanks in advance. I am waiting for an inspection in March in Lake County to register my roadster as ASPT. What an ordeal.

Orlando Auto Tag Agency. They provide services for people that live out of orange county as well. They just cant print paper titles, but after you get a digital one you can have it printed from the online dmv site. If you dont want to wait till march, give them a try. No inspection needed and because its registered at a 1965 the odometer reading is exempt. All you need is to bring the TL-48, your certificate of origin, invoice and filled out title application. If you want it registered you need insurance. You can use the FFR serial number as the vin as that will be the official vin with the tl48 procedure.

My kit came out to about 27k so they charged tax on that to register it. Came out to about 1800

[cv2065]

Orlando Auto Tag Agency. They provide services for people that live out of orange county as well. They just cant print paper titles, but after you get a digital one you can have it printed from the online dmv site. If you dont want to wait till march, give them a try. No inspection needed and because its registered at a 1965 the odometer reading is exempt. All you need is to bring the TL-48, your certificate of origin, invoice and filled out title application. If you want it registered you need insurance. You can use the FFR serial number as the vin as that will be the official vin with the tl48 procedure.

My kit came out to about 27k so they charged tax on that to register it. Came out to about 1800

Filling out my T-48 now. I think I'll get insurance so that I can go ahead and get a plate. I'll need it for go-karting anyway which hopefully isn't too far off. In Section 1 of the form, it asks for Customer Number, Fleet Number, Unit Number and County. I'm assuming you left all of that blank except maybe for county? Did you also put N/A for both GVW and BHP/CC as indicated on the FFR CO?

Just wanting to be sure that this is complete as one omission and one can get sent home. Thanks again for forging the way here. Really great!

[bartock]

Filling out my T-48 now. I think I'll get insurance so that I can go ahead and get a plate. I'll need it for go-karting anyway which hopefully isn't too far off. In Section 1 of the form, it asks for Customer Number, Fleet Number, Unit Number and County. I'm assuming you left all of that blank except maybe for county? Did you also put N/A for both GVW and BHP/CC as indicated on the FFR CO?

Just wanting to be sure that this is complete as one omission and one can get sent home. Thanks again for forging the way here. Really great!

All the stuff at the top I left blank. For weight I put 950 as that was whats on the certificate. GVW and bhp i left blank. its not needed. Checked the Replica Box. Year I put 1965, I had left make and model blank, but they ended up putting Cobra in the make/manufacturer box. Odometer I had initially put 1 but they said it was exempt as a 1965 replica. Near the bottom of the first page is a place for sales type, and the invoice price you paid goes there.

[ASL67]

Hello bartock, question for you. I will be building mine in the north Tampa area, does Florida require an inspection as well?? I currently live in Chicago land and here they require an inspection prior to licensing. Thank you Andy

[bartock]

If you can get it titled as a replica then no inspection required. If they refuse and make you register as a assembled from parts they do an inspection but it's just really matching the serial number. They don't check functionality