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Originally Posted by
redsharK
The 918 is a current Porsche design concept, I think they would be more than a tad upset if FFR made a low cost version.
Of course, but we're talking about 'inspiration' here, right? I see no reason why the 918, and other cars as well, couldn't serve as inspiration. The GTM isn't a rip-off of a GT-40, but it appears to have at least been in mind when it was designed. The GTM is an original design, and looks fantastic. There were probably a few designs that helped inspire it.
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Agreed, but I am really hoping there is a nice original design or 2 in the contest.
I want a car that isn't going to make me stand out like a sore thumb in my work parking lot, but still looks good.
The K1 is a nice looking car, but it looks like a $50k+ super car and screams "HEY LOOK AT ME!". :-/
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Originally Posted by
Oppenheimer
The GTM is an original design, and looks fantastic. There were probably a few designs that helped inspire it.
You mean like the VBM 4000 GTC
DP
I can do anything with enough time and money.
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^^^ Damn I tend to think Ive seen almost every car out there, but never seen the VBM GTC, or maybe assumed it was a GTM in the first place. I was thinking GT40 and Mosler primarily.
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I'd really like to see it look like it is built to compete with a Porsche Cayman. Nice clean, stylish lines and nothing too over the top. Coincidentally the FFR car has a wheelbase and powertrain layout very similar to the Cayman.
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Along the lines of practicality (also spelled - cheapness) I've seen a couple of folks suggest roll up windows. That not only suggests cranking mechanisms (electric), but glass, rubber seals, etc. So where to get these from?
Hmmmm ---- the donor Subaru?
Well, I suspect that makes for OK sightlines from the driver's seat. But it also tends to define (or force?) some of the body lines.
Am I out of line here? We gotta get glass from somewhere and it may not be cheap, otherwise.
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I would prefer new glass(or polycarbonate) if anything(In terms of a longer door). Nothing kills the looks of a coupe like shorter Saloon/Sedan door proportions.
Last edited by Rotr8; 02-25-2011 at 09:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by
PhyrraM
Anybody know a good, free Photoshop type of program to start morphing some of the pics folks have posted into original designs? I could never actually do some of this from scratch.
Take a look at GIMP (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) it is very powerful and 100% free. If you are feeling adventurous, Blender is a very good 3D rendering program that is also free.
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Blender takes some time to learn, Nurbs are weird if you've never used a modeling program before.
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I owned a second gen MR2 and we always poked fun at the MRS guys but that last wide kit is super clean, very nice
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Wiesmann (germany) presents a new car at Geneva, no doors, no roof, no windows, wheels at the corners, but front engine (bmw).
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Agreed with above, the wide body MR-S is good lookin'. Looking at teh wheelbases of the 3 Gen's of MR toyota:
1st Gen 91.3" wheelbase and 2350lbs 155.5" long and 65.6" wide
2nd Gen 94.5" wheelbase 2600-2800lbs (Ttop cars are heavier) 164.2" long and 66.9" wide
3rd Gen 96.5" wheelbase 2200lbs 153" long, 66.7" wide
WRX's are 68.1" - 68.5" for sedans. That's about 2 inches wider.
I have my FFR MR ??? donor car ready to go!
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Here is the donor part list to make a Murtaya (4wd), gives an idea...
http://www.murtaya.com/DonorPartsList.pdf
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02-26-2011, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Horhay
I'd really like to see it look like it is built to compete with a Porsche Cayman. Nice clean, stylish lines and nothing too over the top. Coincidentally the FFR car has a wheelbase and powertrain layout very similar to the Cayman.
+1 on this.
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02-26-2011, 11:51 PM
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It will be similar in size and layout but the Porsche is a "luxury" sport car, and the FFR will be more oriented toward pure sportscar like a lotus.
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02-27-2011, 12:08 PM
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Hey subyrod, love the direction your thinking, Im thinking along the same lines, I was looking thru april 2011 car and driver mag came across
pixs of 2014 porsche 918 rsr concept- love the look, also 2013 lotus espirit looks great and lastly the mc laren mp4-12c
would be great to have a body design with some of these lines...
Last edited by jetsetter468; 02-27-2011 at 12:23 PM.
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02-27-2011, 12:42 PM
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02-27-2011, 01:28 PM
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02-27-2011, 02:29 PM
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02-27-2011, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Olimk2
It will be similar in size and layout but the Porsche is a "luxury" sport car, and the FFR will be more oriented toward pure sportscar like a lotus.
My position is that I don't want a car that looks like a mini Lamborghini Murcielago but goes like a Porsche Boxster. I'd rather the car start with the looks of the Boxster and the ability to upgrade the performance to keep up with the supercars.
The Elise is fine to look at, but it doesn't have the oomph to back up it's looks. Id sooner buy this kit if it were less dramatically styled than the Elise.
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02-27-2011, 06:10 PM
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Did I miss something? Why all the Toyota MR2 body kits? I thought we were doing a WRX donor, not an MR2.
I'm waiting to see how the prototype turns out.
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02-27-2011, 06:32 PM
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^^^ Thats post just simply was stating that the MRS chassis has a very simular wheelbase as the donor, thats all.
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02-27-2011, 06:46 PM
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The MR2 is also mid engined (although transverse inline 4 cyl) and the older ones are affordable. Plus they can be made to run like scared cats and still get good MPG from 1600cc to 2200cc (?). Kind of in our field.
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02-27-2011, 07:17 PM
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Ok Horhay! It seems we have two groups, one wishing a "dramatic" little supercar, one wishing something sporty but "elegant".
Last edited by Olimk2; 02-27-2011 at 07:23 PM.
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02-27-2011, 07:26 PM
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Obviously this isn't mid engined...
I agree on the elegant looking without being outlandish or garish
Plain looking fast cars help keep your insurance rates and ticket count lower.
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02-27-2011, 08:53 PM
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I am in the stylish but no garish too!!
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02-27-2011, 09:08 PM
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The vw roadster "concept r" and "bluesport" are neat too...
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02-27-2011, 10:44 PM
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And it just hit me, Ford RS200 but modernized.
We could re-use the 2002 - 2003 Impreza headlamps and foglamps and the car has a history of rally victories to boot!
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02-27-2011, 11:00 PM
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The rs200 has a nice snorkel for an air intake too
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02-27-2011, 11:02 PM
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The rs 200 had a lot of sierra (merkur in usa) parts! Same concept in some ways!
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02-27-2011, 11:53 PM
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Already done some sketches with 2002 headlamps...turns into porsche style quickly!
Enjoying this forum a lot! A lot of knowledge from real car enthousiasts here!!!!
Another to look at is the Renault spider 1995, they tried to do a french elise, still weights a ton...(wheels and brakes from 250hp alpine v6TT oversized for a 150hp 4pot car...)
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02-28-2011, 03:54 AM
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http://www.lusomotors.com/LM%2023.html
Have a look at this guys, bike or SUBARU POWERED TRACK CAR!!!
It's from portugal, very talented, known for having designed a modern 246 dino quite sexy...
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02-28-2011, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
Olimk2
http://www.lusomotors.com/LM%2023.html
Have a look at this guys, bike or SUBARU POWERED TRACK CAR!!!
It's from portugal, very talented, known for having designed a modern 246 dino quite sexy...
There already are a handful of track only subaru engined cars (including an exo-skeleton one ala Arial Atom) that someone can choose from. I don't think FFR would go through all this trouble to make something that already exists. I get the feeling they are trying to offer something entirely unique. My bet is they will come up with something that will go great on the track, but will also be at home on the street. I'm thinking it will offer track-car like performance like an Atom, minimal interior/engineering like a lotus (or actually, like a subaru ) and an exterior design that is stylish and 'performant' without being gaudy or super car like. I don't really see this project going any other way, except for maybe the exterior being more aggressive.
If you want a track car, with a subaru engine, you can have it already under 20k.
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03-01-2011, 12:01 AM
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I agree 100% with you, it was only to review what's nice and sub powered...
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