Need pictures of possible 818 replicars

[DennisL]

Working on registration of 818 in WI. Only chance is to find a vehicle it replicates. I found Lotus Elise 1996 a possibility.
Again, needs to be 20 years or older. Any help would be appreciated including photoshop versions.

Thanks.

[wleehendrick]

Are you sure that's the only option? I thought there were alternative registration methods mentioned in the other thread?

This has been discussed before... nothing is going to be terribly convincing without some effort.

It's hard to believe the Elise will be 20 years old next year, but that might be a tough sell since it was for sale in the US until very recently. If a replica is your only option, an older mid-engined Lotus (23, Europa) will have similar proportions, but different styling, to the 818.

[flynntuna]

There are other threads , takes some searching, and not that easy to find. Here's an example...

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...t=818+replicas

[billjr212]

Was the Hobbyist plate response to your previous thread a dead end?

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...censed-legally

Also, the replica discussion was also explored (generally unsuccessfully) in these threads, though you do appear to have the benefit of a much later cut off date:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...y-pre-1967-car
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...-RS200-Replica

Last, wikipedia has a semi-impressive list of mid-engined cars. You might be able to click through all these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design
"RMR layout – Rear Mid-engine / Rear-wheel drive

Rear mid-engine position / Rear-wheel drive
These cars use traditional engine layout between driver and rear drive axle. Typically, they're simply called MR layout cars.

Main category: Rear mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive vehicles
BMW M1 and i8
Consulier GTP
DC Avanti
DeTomaso Vallelunga, Pantera, Guara
Ferrari Dino 246, 308, 328, 348, Enzo, F355, 360 Modena, F430, FXX, 458 Italia, Mondial, Testarossa
Fiat X1/9
Ford GT and GT40
Honda Beat and NSX
Jaguar XJR-15 and XJ220
Lamborghini Countach, Diablo SV, Jalpa, Silhouette,
Lancia Stratos HF, Lancia Montecarlo
Lotus Europa, Esprit, Elise, Exige, Evora
Maserati Merak, Bora, Maserati MC12
Mastretta MXT
Matra Djet, 530, Bagheera, Murena
McLaren F1, MP4-12C, 650S, P1
Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
MG F
Mosler MT900
Nissan R390 GT1
Opel Speedster
Pagani Huayra, Pagani Zonda
Pontiac Fiero
Porsche 550, 914, Boxster, Carrera GT, Cayman, Porsche 911 GT1
Prince R380
Renault 5 Turbo, Clio V6 Renault Sport
Rumpler Tropfenwagen
Saleen S7
SSC Aero
Toyota MR2/MR-S
Vauxhall VX220
Vector WX-8
M4 layout – Rear Mid-engine / Four-wheel drive[edit]
These cars uses mid-ship, four-wheel drive, with engine between axles.

Audi R8
Bugatti Veyron, EB110
Ford RS200
Honda Acty (4WD versions only)
Jeep Forward Control
Lancia Delta S4
Lamborghini Aventador, Cheetah, Diablo VT series, Gallardo, Murcielago, Reventon, Huracan
MG Metro 6R4
Panther Solo 2
Volvo L3314, C303"

[mrprgrmr]

Definitely register it as a Rumpler Tropfenwagen!

[longislandwrx]

how close does it need to be, can you Velcro on a testarossa body kit and call it a day?

[Tom Veale]

Hi Dennis,

I'll try again...................
Here's the WDOT page where the Hobbyist plate is described:
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers...l/hobbyist.htm

Look under Home Made Motorized Vehicles description:
Homemade motorized vehicles
Homemade motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, may qualify for Hobbyist plates.
The vehicle must have been constructed from new or used parts not originating from or resembling a previously manufactured motor vehicle.
Application materials must include a bill of sale for all major parts used in the construction of the vehicle.
If the vehicle qualifies, it must pass a safety and equipment inspection with the Wisconsin State Patrol.

Refer to Wisconsin Statutes 341.268 for vehicle definitions and Administrative Rule Trans 149 for homemade or reconstructed vehicle requirements. If you have questions about vehicles that qualify for hobbyist registration, call (608) 266-1466, Monday – Friday from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm or contact us.

As I mentioned on the other thread, I've registered at least three cars under the Hobbyist designation and everything has gone smoothly. I've not built an 818, however, so don't have first hand experience with that vehicle.

Hope this helps,
Tom Veale

[DennisL]

Tom. I have read all the statutes and rules and regulations for Wisconsin licensing re: homemade cars and replicars. Yesterday (prior to this posting) I spoke to someone in Wisconsin DMV Special Applications and discussed in length DMV interpretation of the laws. She said that a homemade car would be registered as a current year model 2015 and would therefore have to fulfill all the requirements NTSB puts on new vehicles. It would have to have airbags, all active and passive restraints along with ABS and TMPS, emissions and what ever else is required. This was exactly the same interpretation I received from a State Patrol inspector. Could you please give me information on your 3 prior hobby car registrations and the process you went through. There is a big difference between reading the statutes and their actual real life interpretation. Any information you could give us Wisconsin residents would be most helpful.

[AZPete]

Go with mrprgrmr's advice. The Rumpler Trop has a racy aero design.

Rumpler Tropfenwagen.jpg

[Tom Veale]

Hi Dennis,

I no longer have the FFR Challenge series car, so don't have its title info. I believe I did title and register it as a '65 Ford cobra replica if memory serves me right. So, it would have escaped the new car regs. My title for the '33 shows it as a "1933 Shelby Cobra" (I don't have a clue as to how they came up with that! My guess is they saw the Factory Five Racing name and thought it was a cobra.). It shows "Exempt" for the odometer status, Chassis Type is "auto", Body style is "roadster" and color is "gray" (again, don't ask me why a red/tan car is classed as "gray").

On the VIN assignment sheet it shows the car as a 1933 Ford, so they aren't entirely consistent. The reason they assigned the car a new VIN number is that the photocopy of the FFR nameplate looks like the serial number is printed on it rather than engraved. My application shows that I marked their form for the car as a "Replica", not a home made motorized vehicle. So, again, maybe there are far deeper complications on registering a home made vehicle even under the Hobbyist designation.

My suggestion would be to register it as a replica 1969 Subaru 360 H-Modified SCCA race car.
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/subaru_history.html
Seriously, who's going to know? Only SCCA knows that H Mod only ran through 1964.
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/...ale_resize.jpg

The first U.S. Subaru is the 360. This very small rear wheel drive minicar had a 2-stroke, 25 horsepower 356 cc engine (thus the 360 name), weighed under 1000 pounds, got 66.3 mpg, went 0-50 in over 37 seconds. and cost $1,297. It came in a few models: 2 door sedan, then the "Young S" 2 dr sedan, minivan (that's me in the white 5 door van below), a truck version, and even a mini race car, too. There may have been as many as 6000 of these imported through 1969, though they weren't exactly a best seller.

Then it should be old enough to get registered as a Hobbyist replica car without any of the rest of the modern safety stuff, etc.

If asked about the body, just tell them "Subaru was way ahead of its time." Keep a straight face and you'll do fine. I used a carbon fiber decal on the dash of my 1953 Jaguar race car and people would ask if Jaguar was the first to use carbon fiber in race cars. Phew! What do you say to a question like that?

Dennis, I'm glad you've done the research first. I wish there were an 818S owner here already who could guide you, but I don't think there is one yet. I was unaware of the "Homemade Cars" complications. It would be a shame to put in the labor and $$$$ and not find a way to get it registered.

Best regards, and good luck with the effort.
Tom Veale

[philly15]

whooo!! more wisconsin people! That being said, Ive been talking to the state trooper that does the inspections in the fox valley area, and basically what i got out of it, is it will almost be impossible to title in wisconsin. Best way is to get it titled in a different state and transfer the title to wisconsin. Ive been trying to find a way for the last year and a half. No luck :/ Although i did see a FFR GTM the other day with no plates on so i think he said screw it and drives it on the street anyway.