The coupe and 818 have a street height set of holes and a low/race height set of holes an inch higher on the chassis. The truck and 33 have a standard height set of holes and a tall ride height set that are just under an inch lower. We added the holes on the 33/truck to help with extra clearance on the full fenders or if someone wants to add extra rake or run taller rear tires they can put just the back at the higher height.
The key for all the cars is the higher holes equals lower ride height and lower holes equals higher ride height, which is not always intuitive with the chassis on jackstands.
Gen 1 '33 Hot Rod #1104
347 with Holley Sniper & Hyperspark, TKO600, IRS, 245/40R18 & 315/30R18, DRL, Digital Guard Dog keyless Ignition
I wanted to get enough done with all of the body work that I understood the kinds of things I'd need to do to finish it off. At this point I want to see how some of the mechanical bits all fit in, so next step will be to remove the panels and work on the go-cart. The trunk opens and closes, the doors as well. Need to fit the pins for the bearclaws and the hood hinge once I get it (Still POL).
Next step: Go-Kart. Attachment 111467Attachment 111468Attachment 111469Attachment 111470Attachment 111471
Yup. Sanded down smooth and then added filler to finish it off. I used some of the really hard marine stuff to fill it since I need to cut it open for windows later on.
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'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Yup. Sanded down smooth and then added filler to finish it off. I used some of the really hard marine stuff to fill it since I need to cut it open for windows later on.
Was it glassed together underneath on the interior cavity? I had done that to provide the connection across the panel, mine is a Gen1 so I can see its different than this, this looks like a better setup if you have side windows or not.
Black & Copper #1028 ("The Mistress" according to my wife! )
Brought home: Nov. 2017, GoKart: May 2018, will be Plated & on the Road April 2020
Andreas
I had no problems with the lower holes. But my question is about which hole to use for connecting the coil overs to the upper control arm. The manual still shows the old style arm and doesn’t mention which to use. Most Gen2 builds I’ve seen use the top hole. One person at F5 thought the lower as right. Thoughts?
Can you take a picture of your lower control arm at the chassis? As you can see in my picture there was no droop so no way it would work.
For the Top Shock, I think either will be ok with a small difference in the ride height. I might move mine to the lower holes...
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Can you take a picture of your lower control arm at the chassis? As you can see in my picture there was no droop so no way it would work.
For the Top Shock, I think either will be ok with a small difference in the ride height. I might move mine to the lower holes...
Everything seems to have a good range of motion and no interference.
Where I'm having a concern is that I'm running full fenders so I should be using the lower mounting points to get some extra spacing to the fenders. But, it gets really tight and seems to have only about 3 inches of suspension travel. Most likely the engineer in me overthinking all of the geometry challenges. I think I'm going to try the lower holes for the lower arms with the bolts for the rear pivot pointing up (per Jim S) to get a little more clearance. I'm sure I'll be able to adjust the ride height with the spring preload later on (although that will be tricky to get to).
Lot of opportunities for learning.
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
First the Rear brakes. Mounted the adapter plate to the housing the other way to get enough clearance to the rotor. Aug25_1.jpg. Once the caliper is attached all looks OK. Aug25_2.jpg.
Next, I mounted the front brake lines. First rivets in the chassis!! Aug25_3.jpgAug25_4.jpg
Got the steering all in and working. The effort is not as smooth as I'd like. It's not binding, but stiffens up. Nothing is hitting anywhere, just a bit of uneven torque is needed. Aug25_.jpgAug25_6.jpgAug25_7.jpg Maybe someone will see something unusual in the pictures.
Also got the Pedal assembly mounted and ready to start on the brake lines.
HINT: Put the D-Shafts in the freezer for a while to help them go into the universal joints a bit easier.
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
I'm going for a snug fit supporting the heims joints.
Seems to be a mix of when to use washers under the head of bolts and nuts.
I'm planning to use the fine thread bolt fo the lower rear shock mount to get enough length. Just need to find a couple of nuts to fit.
Anyone else have fun installing the 3-Link?
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Moser_recommended.jpg I was confused after read the various instructions about what to use in the Moser rear end I got through the FFR order. I sent a note to Moser and that is what they recommended and said no additive was needed and that it would take 2.5 quarts.
Sept1_straps.jpg Here is how I both raised the rear into place and also use this to hold it close to where it will be once it sits on the ground. The straps make is easy to adjust the height.
Sept1_Rad25.jpg I got some new .25in Spacers for the radiator. Seems to be just fine. Getting all of this stuff together was a bit of a struggle, but seemed to work out OK. Trying to get all the space I can for the radiator.
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Today was install the engine and see if things fit. There are a bunch of things for the interior (seat mounts) and other routing I want to plan. So, this is a test install and I'll probably remove it to do the floors and drill other stuff. Sept8_dropin.jpg
The front clearance for one of the steering rack mount was going to interfere with the pulley so I ground it down a bit. I'm using a Blueprint 383 which has the March front mounts. Sept8_beforetrim.jpgSept8_Front.jpg
I then created new spacers from galvanized pipe as my hardware store didn't have any stainless tube. I moved the engine back 1/2 inch total.
I like the old SBC look. The coil on plugs don't look good and I just don't like front offset distributors. I know the Coyote and LSX motors make a ton of power, but I've got more than enough with this and the Sniper should make it driveable with ease.
That's the fun of these - lots of room for little (or big) things to make it your own.
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
The newer engines are technical marvels and with the computer controls and power adders make reliable power with great fuel mileage. The LS versions are especially capable of making power at a reasonable cost. Hot rodders have been transplanting these engines in all sorts of cars and trucks and have been increasing power for years. You can find a lot of support in the aftermarket for them so it's no surprise they are so popular.
And still that little SBC that first appeared in 1955 has a strong following today and can make plenty of reliable power for less $$ than most other engines. There is wide array of support in the aftermarket which helps drive down the cost of building one. And the SBC has the right period look in the Hot Rod if you want to run without a hood. Hard not to like the SBC for applications like these little cars where space is limited.
Dart Little M 406" SBC 800 HP N/A & 1,100 HP on nitrous, 2-spd Powerglide with trans brake, 6,000 RPM stall converter, narrowed Moser 88 3.90:1 spool with 35-spline gun-drilled axles & Torino bearings, custom parallel four-link, custom tube chassis & roll cage NHRA certified for 8.5-sec (only two FFR Hot Rods have this cert).
I’m 5-7” so the height should help with forward vision. I’ll put the body on one of these days to check. I’ll add a picture then. But i played with it even higher and had room.
Update! ******
I put the body on and the top and clamped the seat in place. The picture out is a little higher than my view. I am thinking I will be looking out the upper areas of all of the windows. Sept10_view.JPG
Here's the outside view. I attached the fenders so I could measure clearances for tires. A lot of money for those not to have them fit OK. Sept10_front.JPG
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- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Yikes! I measured the rear wheel wells and I've determined that 295 or 305 should fit just fine. Pretty sure I'm going with the AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome 17x8 in front and 18x10 in the rear. Looking for tires to fit is a pain! Not a lot of options if you want them to be a set.
Options:
Toyo Proxes 888
235/45ZR17
295/30ZR18
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3
295/3ZR18 (25 in OD)
245/45ZR17 (25.7 OD)
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
295/30 R18
245/45 17
The Toyo's are really race tires (I used to run BFG R1's and they were great on the track, not on the street). The Goodyears are more street friendly.
Any comments from the illustrious peanut gallery? What have people actually been driving on (and sending up in clouds of smoke)?
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- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Front: TorqThrust 18x9-5.0" BS, Proxes R888 255/35ZR18
Rear: TorqThrust 18x10-5.74 BS, Proxes R888 315/30ZR18 (will fit under full rear fenders)
Dart Little M 406" SBC 800 HP N/A & 1,100 HP on nitrous, 2-spd Powerglide with trans brake, 6,000 RPM stall converter, narrowed Moser 88 3.90:1 spool with 35-spline gun-drilled axles & Torino bearings, custom parallel four-link, custom tube chassis & roll cage NHRA certified for 8.5-sec (only two FFR Hot Rods have this cert).
I’ve got the FFR EFI kit as well as all the stuff from Blueprint for a 383 with the Sniper EFI. I like the idea of mounting it behind the waterfall so that is the plan. The quick disconnect at the fuel pickup has a really small outlet so I got a kit from Autozone to change it to 3/8. Then it will go through the filter, pump, filter, then to a bulkhead, then hard line to the base of the firewall, the AN-6 to a fitting with the pressure gauge and the on to the Sniper regulator.
- do I need any more of a pressure regulator? Seems like this is ok from the diagrams.
- 5/16 return line is the plan.
- I’m planning to make the waterfall removable for servicing. 2 slots instead of holes. FAEEBC65-5AED-4B97-A950-D003BB613BF5.jpeg
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Installed the fuel tank today. I was surprised to see how large the sump is for the fuel. Looks like some slosh will fill it up but the tank needs to be more than 1/3 full to keep the sump full. Not sure of the design of fuel tanks but it looks interesting. E931E8AD-C741-4942-A61F-0E2DBC53B04B.jpeg
Here’s where I’m at. Any thoughts?
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Looks good. The pump is noisy. Fair warning. I would expect to need to insulate the waterfall. You’re assessment of the tank is right. I needed a couple of gallons of gas to keep the engine running on first start. Probably going to read empty with 2 gallons.
Yeah. I was checking the clearance to the waterfall - Planning on Dynamat back there. Need to find a place to hang the evaporation canister. No mention of that in the instructions! I guess just need to hook up the pressure relief hose from the top of the tank.
- Peterh226 #1134
'33 Hot Rod 2nd Gen. Blueprint 383 Sniper TKO Delivered 4/14/2019
Full Fenders, Top, 3-Link, Wilwoods
YOKOHAMA ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R | Fr 245/45 R17 | Rr 295/30 R18
AR605 Torq-Thrust M Chrome | Fr 17x8 | Rr 18x10
Installed the fuel tank today. I was surprised to see how large the sump is for the fuel. Looks like some slosh will fill it up but the tank needs to be more than 1/3 full to keep the sump full. Not sure of the design of fuel tanks but it looks interesting. E931E8AD-C741-4942-A61F-0E2DBC53B04B.jpeg
Here’s where I’m at. Any thoughts?
I would suggest mounting the pump and filters underneath from where you have it so its accessible from below. We had already replaced a fuel pump as it ran dry briefly and it was toast so replacing it from below went fairly well. Where it is now you will need to pull off the waterfall, seats and hard top to gain access. Just a suggestion.
This is where we mounted mine. 20180324_153836.jpg20180324_153845.jpg
Black & Copper #1028 ("The Mistress" according to my wife! )
Brought home: Nov. 2017, GoKart: May 2018, will be Plated & on the Road April 2020
Andreas
Need to find a place to hang the evaporation canister. No mention of that in the instructions! I guess just need to hook up the pressure relief hose from the top of the tank.
Evaporation canister? do you mean a charcoal filter canister that some seem to make up? I didn't get anything like this in my kit....
Gen 1 '33 Hot Rod #1104
347 with Holley Sniper & Hyperspark, TKO600, IRS, 245/40R18 & 315/30R18, DRL, Digital Guard Dog keyless Ignition