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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    I got mine from protuninglab.com but I think they are the same. They were $309 including the HID conversion. Some places advertise cheaper but then charge for the HID upgrade. Make sure you have the option to select the color temp. I picked 6000K which is ICE White (slight blueish hue)
    Few questions.

    They show 02-04 and 05/06 camry as separate. Is there any difference except for the 05/06 lights being uglier (IMO)? The basis shape looks the same.

    What is the optional warning canceler?

    Can you take a pic of the beam pattern? Just hooking it up to 12V and shining it on the wall is fine. Just wondering if they used proper projectors and lenses for an HID bulb.

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    New brakes are on.


    Rear end reassembled with newer hubs. Halfshafts fit too! Put in some subie 75-90S gear oil


    Had to move the lower shock mounts due to the manual error and I wasn't happy with just redrilling so I threw a Bead on there as well. That mount takes a lot of cornering force. I hope no one else has to deal with this.


    New front calipers under the wheels. Still haven't decided on the logo.


    Building to new heights. It's so great to have access to a lift.

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    How's this for a logo...
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    Another good day at EV West.


    Put in the firewalls where we will mount the controllers




    Also started running all the brake lines. Ran in to trouble when I realized that I only got one 12 line two 8"" inch lines and the rest are 60". So I guess I need to buy what I need.


    I look forward to the drive home even though its an hour long.

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    WHAT A COOL THREAD!!!!! living here in SoCal I can't wait to see this in person. Great Job Eric I'll bet its really going to sound BAD ***, just the tires burning LOL...... JJ

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    That thing looks awesome Erik, can't wait to see some video. Looking forward to the rest of the build. I will catch up with you at SEMA.

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    This build is freakin clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechie3 View Post
    Few questions.

    They show 02-04 and 05/06 camry as separate. Is there any difference except for the 05/06 lights being uglier (IMO)? The basis shape looks the same.

    What is the optional warning canceler?

    Can you take a pic of the beam pattern? Just hooking it up to 12V and shining it on the wall is fine. Just wondering if they used proper projectors and lenses for an HID bulb.

    Thanks.
    No idea on the first two questions. But this is what they look like. It's definite projectors. I looked at it and blinded myself instantly.


    Projectors on


    Nice flat beam across the top


    DRL will cool with the projectors on


    Halogen high beams



    This is how you know you got the real deal and why it's ~$100 upgrade. Unfortunately the Changlish gives away it's origin.

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    Have the high voltage inside!??! Hahaha!

    Thanks for the pics.

    I think they might be using rebased HID bulbs in a halogen housing. The cutoff is clean, but the fill under the cutoff looks focused. I might go without the HID and then do a TSX projector retrofit. I did that on my 06 WRX and it was incredible. I do prefer the look of those lights though. They look more modern and upscale.

    Not my car, but how it looked (same car/retrofit)
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    New gauges from speedhut




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    No More Shhhhhhhhhhhh

    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    New gauges from speedhut



    Your neighbors will love you even more on those early morning Cars n Coffee runs ......
    Pressing the thin pedal on the right is more fun than I ever imagined !!!!
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    LOL. I didn't even think about that!! Good point.

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    Finished the front brake lines today. Only had to flare one line. I wanted to make it as clean as possible.


    This short run was a little challenging and finally gave in and did it by hand.




    The mounting collars that came with the braided lines worked great with the larger clips when mounting to the uprights. As with the rear I was able to put the extra hardware to good use.


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    Your rear LCA bushing is upside down in the photo above, it is supposed to have the "wiggle" side down.
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    Yup! But this was the way it went in without binding up the suspension. I figured the less binding the better. It didn't change the geometry any I didn't see any reason why this would be any more stress in the bushing. Actually I think it's now has less.
    Last edited by ehansen007; 10-25-2013 at 10:37 AM.

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    looking good
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    Yup! But this was the way it went in without binding up the suspension. I figured the less binding the better. It didn't change the geometry any I didn't see any reason why this would be any more stress in the bushing. Actually I think it's now has less.
    Yeah, I've wondered about that too. I think I heard they were not symetrical? Anyone??

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    they are not symetrical
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    Yup! But this was the way it went in without binding up the suspension. I figured the less binding the better. It didn't change the geometry any I didn't see any reason why this would be any more stress in the bushing. Actually I think it's now has less.
    I believe the legs of the bushing are different length from the centerline of the hole. Flipping them over will move the back of the LCA out. That in turn moves the ball joint forward. That in turn give you more tire clearance between the back of the tire and the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    The mounting collars that came with the braided lines worked great with the larger clips when mounting to the uprights.
    The collars are the pieces you rivet to the frame? I have braided lines not from FFR and mine sit too loose on those pieces with the supplied clips.
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    mine are non F5 braided line and my clips are too tight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechie3 View Post
    The collars are the pieces you rivet to the frame? I have braided lines not from FFR and mine sit too loose on those pieces with the supplied clips.
    I do not know how I missed this entire thread. Man, I am in love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    Yup! But this was the way it went in without binding up the suspension. I figured the less binding the better. It didn't change the geometry any I didn't see any reason why this would be any more stress in the bushing. Actually I think it's now has less.
    That is exactly what I did too.
    The legs do have a max 1/4" difference center of bolt hole-- to center of bushing. The vertical position of the center of the bushing is symmetrical (best I could measure)
    I chose to use the front bushing mounting holes as my reference (didn't want to elongate any of those mounting holes in the Chassis)....then checked for the freest pivot action and found "wiggle side" up was best...it was also coincidentally the way that also put the rear mounting holes closer to alignment with the as supplied chassis holes.

    Also seeing how some of the builds have adjusted things to get the LCA's installed. I figured this choice was comparatively very low risk at worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechie3 View Post
    The collars are the pieces you rivet to the frame? I have braided lines not from FFR and mine sit too loose on those pieces with the supplied clips.
    Yes, I'm referring to the tabs that came on the rear braided lines and the bolt like collars that came on the front ones. If you look closely at these two photos, you'll see that I'm referring to. The rear came with these.



    The front came with these and the rubberized frame clips were the perfect size to hold them to the upright. Clean!

    Last edited by ehansen007; 10-25-2013 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freds View Post
    That is exactly what I did too.
    The legs do have a max 1/4" difference center of bolt hole-- to center of bushing. The vertical position of the center of the bushing is symmetrical (best I could measure)
    I chose to use the front bushing mounting holes as my reference (didn't want to elongate any of those mounting holes in the Chassis)....then checked for the freest pivot action and found "wiggle side" up was best...it was also coincidentally the way that also put the rear mounting holes closer to alignment with the as supplied chassis holes.

    Also seeing how some of the builds have adjusted things to get the LCA's installed. I figured this choice was comparatively very low risk at worst.

    fred
    When you compare it to the amount of binding at the rear it's moot! While I understand you want huge rear toe in at the rear on AWD, I can figure out why there is so much implied toe at the rear with the control arms. I haven't done any final adjustments but getting the rear contol arms lined up with the hub was a challenge. If the bushings weren't rubber I would have never gotten them on. Anyone else notice this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehansen007 View Post
    When you compare it to the amount of binding at the rear it's moot! While I understand you want huge rear toe in at the rear on AWD, I can figure out why there is so much implied toe at the rear with the control arms. I haven't done any final adjustments but getting the rear contol arms lined up with the hub was a challenge. If the bushings weren't rubber I would have never gotten them on. Anyone else notice this?
    They sure made me work for it. Seems Ok when everything is all together though IMO.

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    33, how high RPM does this electric engine go? I see your 8k RPM gauge, but wonder if it actually stops below.
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    The "knee" of the torque band drops off steeply at 5k RPM. While I can continue to spin it well beyond, it's better to upshift and re-engage that sweet, bottom end power. There is no fear of blowing an electric motor like an ICE motor. The only moving parts in this case are the shaft, and the bearings. No brushes to replace either at it's an AC motor and not DC.

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    Can't wait to see that on the streets.
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    Got the brake lines bled and started mounting the controllers today. As soon as I got one I noticed I couldn't get the battery box in! My first run in with tight quarters. So I'm going to finalize the boxes and get them in so we can remount the controllers.


    Also started working on my gauge cluster. Since I'm not using the stock one I need to fab my own.


    Because the cutout is curved, it bows the panel and makes the gauges look like gecko eyes. So I made these offset bezel shims to even it out.


    Finalized panel.


    How about a little CF?


    Mockup.

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    Great job Erik
    I'm still on the fence about using the stock unit,
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    Where's the flux capacitor mounted?
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    Nice CF! What did you cut it with?
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    Real CF? Can you buy it in panels like that?

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    meh, looks ok but you forgot the coolant temp and oil pressure gauges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    meh, looks ok but you forgot the coolant temp and oil pressure gauges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Presley View Post
    meh, looks ok but you forgot the coolant temp and oil pressure gauges

    More importantly, the Flux Capacitor Transpixilator Gauge is missing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian818 View Post
    Real CF? Can you buy it in panels like that?
    I am asking the same question.
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    My question is..

    How difficult would it be to install the charging equipment needed to utilize the Tesla supercharging stations that are popping up all over?

    http://green.autoblog.com/2013/05/30...aster-w-video/



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    one of the best thing they have is scraps! For $35 you get a pound which is a lot of pieces. good for spacers trim bezels veneers etc
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    Haha. Yes that is the Xantrex Pro and it does the following

    Read your battery bank like a fuel gauge
    Provides critical information about the status of your battery bank
    Displays voltage, current, consumed amphours and remaining battery capacity
    Secondary battery bank voltage monitoring
    Auto sensing battery voltage inputs
    And yes, it can monitor engine/controller temp.

    As for the CF, the company I'm working with (EV West) also owns gravity skateboards so they have a lot of different materials which they surface their boards with. This stuff is really thin and flexible. I cut it on the bandsaw and used a rotary tool to cut the larger holes.

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